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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,372 Lives Here
    edited 21 September
    Yikes. You learn something every day.

    I guess it's just more evidence that progress doesn't reach people in the sticks.
  • webboowebboo Posts: 3,841

    Yikes. You learn something every day.

    I guess it's just more evidence that progress doesn't reach people in the sticks.

    If you are an example of urban progress, god help humanity.
  • ProssPross Posts: 29,614

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    My sister has oil heating (out in the sticks with no gas supply). The price fluctuations are huge. I think you can be quite savvy and buy your supplies when rates are lower even if you don't get it delivered at that time but it is still very volatile.

    Honestly, the state of this place. Not even gas supplies to houses.
    In future news, The government will be banning gas boilers.
    I don't think they're gonna be replacing them with oil fires. They will be hooked up to another piping system.
    What's going to be coming through these pipes? Most (in the short term at least) will be replaced by air or ground source heat pumps as far as I'm aware. I think I'd already be going that way if I was reliant on oil or bottled gas though.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,372 Lives Here
    edited 21 September
    Pross said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    My sister has oil heating (out in the sticks with no gas supply). The price fluctuations are huge. I think you can be quite savvy and buy your supplies when rates are lower even if you don't get it delivered at that time but it is still very volatile.

    Honestly, the state of this place. Not even gas supplies to houses.
    In future news, The government will be banning gas boilers.
    I don't think they're gonna be replacing them with oil fires. They will be hooked up to another piping system.
    What's going to be coming through these pipes? Most (in the short term at least) will be replaced by air or ground source heat pumps as far as I'm aware. I think I'd already be going that way if I was reliant on oil or bottled gas though.
    I had read something about much more prolific centralised heating ala NYC etc.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,372 Lives Here
    edited 21 September
    webboo said:

    Yikes. You learn something every day.

    I guess it's just more evidence that progress doesn't reach people in the sticks.

    If you are an example of urban progress, god help humanity.
    Charming. Don't take it so seriously :P
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,066

    Pross said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    My sister has oil heating (out in the sticks with no gas supply). The price fluctuations are huge. I think you can be quite savvy and buy your supplies when rates are lower even if you don't get it delivered at that time but it is still very volatile.

    Honestly, the state of this place. Not even gas supplies to houses.
    In future news, The government will be banning gas boilers.
    I don't think they're gonna be replacing them with oil fires. They will be hooked up to another piping system.
    What's going to be coming through these pipes? Most (in the short term at least) will be replaced by air or ground source heat pumps as far as I'm aware. I think I'd already be going that way if I was reliant on oil or bottled gas though.
    I had read something about much more prolific centralised heating ala NYC etc.
    How is the district heating being made?
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,210

    Yikes. You learn something every day.

    I guess it's just more evidence that progress doesn't reach people in the sticks.

    Mate we only got proper broadband last year...

    Big controversy at the moment is that rapha-esque clothing company Finisterre is leaving Cornwall and moving to Yorkshire despite building and marketing itself as a cornish/beach/surf lifestyle (?) brand. Much gnashing of teeth in the local press but it's hard to blame them when you realise how far behind the rest of the country the region is in terms of basic business infrastructure. (And that's before they try and find places to live).

    If only there was some supra-national body that recognised these things and invested in regions that needed help catching up...ho hum...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 7,621

    Pross said:

    My sister has oil heating (out in the sticks with no gas supply). The price fluctuations are huge. I think you can be quite savvy and buy your supplies when rates are lower even if you don't get it delivered at that time but it is still very volatile.

    Honestly, the state of this place. Not even gas supplies to houses.
    You think the entire world is hooked up to a gas grid?
    Not the entire world, the rich world.
    I'm assuming you are basing this on a sample size of one - Netherlands. Sometimes you need to get out a bit more.
    Germany is the same.
    France isn't. It's called 'town gas' for a good reason. There's an awful lot of rural France too.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,066
    ddraver said:

    Yikes. You learn something every day.

    I guess it's just more evidence that progress doesn't reach people in the sticks.

    Mate we only got proper broadband last year...

    Big controversy at the moment is that rapha-esque clothing company Finisterre is leaving Cornwall and moving to Yorkshire despite building and marketing itself as a cornish/beach/surf lifestyle (?) brand. Much gnashing of teeth in the local press but it's hard to blame them when you realise how far behind the rest of the country the region is in terms of basic business infrastructure. (And that's before they try and find places to live).

    If only there was some supra-national body that recognised these things and invested in regions that needed help catching up...ho hum...
    Central London doesn't have decent internet either although there are lots of leased lines available for business. Anyway, the government has invested in OneWeb to sort you out.
  • webboo said:

    Yikes. You learn something every day.

    I guess it's just more evidence that progress doesn't reach people in the sticks.

    If you are an example of urban progress, god help humanity.
    Charming. Don't take it so seriously :P
    the bizarre thing about this debate is that by any sensible definition you are in the sticks
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,372 Lives Here

    webboo said:

    Yikes. You learn something every day.

    I guess it's just more evidence that progress doesn't reach people in the sticks.

    If you are an example of urban progress, god help humanity.
    Charming. Don't take it so seriously :P
    the bizarre thing about this debate is that by any sensible definition you are in the sticks
    My terraced house that is the size of a shoebox that has access to giggabit fibre broadband says otherwise.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,756
    Stevo_666 said:

    I'm just waiting for Stevo to say that he's got plenty of gas for his boiler.

    Funnily enough, the house we're buying has oil fired central heating and no gas :) (house buying attempt #2 after the last one fell through).
    Eek. I'd start enquiries into converting to some sort of heat pump.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Liberal metropolitan, remoaner, traitor, "sympathiser", etc.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,066

    webboo said:

    Yikes. You learn something every day.

    I guess it's just more evidence that progress doesn't reach people in the sticks.

    If you are an example of urban progress, god help humanity.
    Charming. Don't take it so seriously :P
    the bizarre thing about this debate is that by any sensible definition you are in the sticks
    My terraced house that is the size of a shoebox that has access to giggabit fibre broadband says otherwise.
    You haven't seen many former farmworkers houses then?
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,756

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    Pross said:

    My sister has oil heating (out in the sticks with no gas supply). The price fluctuations are huge. I think you can be quite savvy and buy your supplies when rates are lower even if you don't get it delivered at that time but it is still very volatile.

    Honestly, the state of this place. Not even gas supplies to houses.
    I don't think that's UK specific to be honest. Lots of countries will rely on propane tanks or oil tanks in rural areas.
    That just adds to Rick's grievances about living in the sticks.
    if the gas pipes can't reach your house you're too far out.
    For all the bleating about how overcrowded the South East is, large parts of Kent Sussex and Surrey are pretty remote.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Liberal metropolitan, remoaner, traitor, "sympathiser", etc.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,066
    rjsterry said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    Pross said:

    My sister has oil heating (out in the sticks with no gas supply). The price fluctuations are huge. I think you can be quite savvy and buy your supplies when rates are lower even if you don't get it delivered at that time but it is still very volatile.

    Honestly, the state of this place. Not even gas supplies to houses.
    I don't think that's UK specific to be honest. Lots of countries will rely on propane tanks or oil tanks in rural areas.
    That just adds to Rick's grievances about living in the sticks.
    if the gas pipes can't reach your house you're too far out.
    For all the bleating about how overcrowded the South East is, large parts of Kent Sussex and Surrey are pretty remote.
    This is a relative term. I haven't come across any that would meet my definition.
  • Dorset_BoyDorset_Boy Posts: 4,358

    webboo said:

    Yikes. You learn something every day.

    I guess it's just more evidence that progress doesn't reach people in the sticks.

    If you are an example of urban progress, god help humanity.
    Charming. Don't take it so seriously :P
    the bizarre thing about this debate is that by any sensible definition you are in the sticks
    My terraced house that is the size of a shoebox that has access to giggabit fibre broadband says otherwise.
    You haven't seen many former farmworkers houses then?
    Of course he hasn't. It's patently obvious from his comments that he's never been outside an urban area, and never encountered mud.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,372 Lives Here

    webboo said:

    Yikes. You learn something every day.

    I guess it's just more evidence that progress doesn't reach people in the sticks.

    If you are an example of urban progress, god help humanity.
    Charming. Don't take it so seriously :P
    the bizarre thing about this debate is that by any sensible definition you are in the sticks
    My terraced house that is the size of a shoebox that has access to giggabit fibre broadband says otherwise.
    You haven't seen many former farmworkers houses then?
    Of course he hasn't. It's patently obvious from his comments that he's never been outside an urban area, and never encountered mud.
    Countryside is for cycling through, not living ;)

    Honestly, don’t take it that seriously people.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,756
    john80 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    I'm just waiting for Stevo to say that he's got plenty of gas for his boiler.

    Funnily enough, the house we're buying has oil fired central heating and no gas :) (house buying attempt #2 after the last one fell through).
    Oh mate, don't do it! I couldn't tell you how long I've listened to people whine about how much faff that is.
    not so much the faff as the cost!!!! I would ask to see a few years delivery receipts
    Honestly, I have never heard so much whining from people about oil fired houses.

    Christ alive. The regular days off to take delivery. The general maintenance. Running out of oil before the season is over. Delays in oil delivery. My favourite, the "my house is so big it's so much to heat. Oi, can you do that work so I can deliver it to the client and charge the next fee which i get 50% off and you none".

    Honestly Stevo, don't do it.
    We replaced a oil boiler and tank a few years ago like for like. There is a tank gauge so you know where you are with quantity and I have never had to wait more than say 7 days for a fill. It is a pretty cheap way to heat a house and if serviced yearly is pretty reliable for say the 10 year boiler life. In rural places with no gas it is a no brainer in terms of cost. The only thing that could possibly beat it is if you can bring your probably old house up to modern regs for both air changes and insulation and have room to install substantial solar then a air source heat pump might work.
    This is not actually as difficult as you imply, especially if you are doing some renovation work anyway as many do when moving into somewhere new. And the PV is not essential - just a good way to offset the cost of running the heat pump.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Liberal metropolitan, remoaner, traitor, "sympathiser", etc.
  • webboo said:

    Yikes. You learn something every day.

    I guess it's just more evidence that progress doesn't reach people in the sticks.

    If you are an example of urban progress, god help humanity.
    Charming. Don't take it so seriously :P
    the bizarre thing about this debate is that by any sensible definition you are in the sticks
    My terraced house that is the size of a shoebox that has access to giggabit fibre broadband says otherwise.
    You haven't seen many former farmworkers houses then?
    Of course he hasn't. It's patently obvious from his comments that he's never been outside an urban area, and never encountered mud.
    he lives in the Fens
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,756

    rjsterry said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    Pross said:

    My sister has oil heating (out in the sticks with no gas supply). The price fluctuations are huge. I think you can be quite savvy and buy your supplies when rates are lower even if you don't get it delivered at that time but it is still very volatile.

    Honestly, the state of this place. Not even gas supplies to houses.
    I don't think that's UK specific to be honest. Lots of countries will rely on propane tanks or oil tanks in rural areas.
    That just adds to Rick's grievances about living in the sticks.
    if the gas pipes can't reach your house you're too far out.
    For all the bleating about how overcrowded the South East is, large parts of Kent Sussex and Surrey are pretty remote.
    This is a relative term. I haven't come across any that would meet my definition.
    Not Mongolia remote, no. But, quite a difference from somewhere like Reigate or Rochester.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Liberal metropolitan, remoaner, traitor, "sympathiser", etc.
  • Dorset_BoyDorset_Boy Posts: 4,358

    webboo said:

    Yikes. You learn something every day.

    I guess it's just more evidence that progress doesn't reach people in the sticks.

    If you are an example of urban progress, god help humanity.
    Charming. Don't take it so seriously :P
    the bizarre thing about this debate is that by any sensible definition you are in the sticks
    My terraced house that is the size of a shoebox that has access to giggabit fibre broadband says otherwise.
    You haven't seen many former farmworkers houses then?
    Of course he hasn't. It's patently obvious from his comments that he's never been outside an urban area, and never encountered mud.
    he lives in the Fens
    He lives in Cambridge, and gives the impression he doesn't like leaving the urban areas, unless in a train or in a car! He'd probably collapse in shock and panic if he went to the rural parts of the fens. B)

  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,756

    webboo said:

    Yikes. You learn something every day.

    I guess it's just more evidence that progress doesn't reach people in the sticks.

    If you are an example of urban progress, god help humanity.
    Charming. Don't take it so seriously :P
    the bizarre thing about this debate is that by any sensible definition you are in the sticks
    My terraced house that is the size of a shoebox that has access to giggabit fibre broadband says otherwise.
    You haven't seen many former farmworkers houses then?
    Of course he hasn't. It's patently obvious from his comments that he's never been outside an urban area, and never encountered mud.
    he lives in the Fens
    He lives in Cambridge, and gives the impression he doesn't like leaving the urban areas, unless in a train or in a car! He'd probably collapse in shock and panic if he went to the rural parts of the fens. B)

    He grew up there. I can understand not wanting to have much further to do with it.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Liberal metropolitan, remoaner, traitor, "sympathiser", etc.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,066
    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    Pross said:

    My sister has oil heating (out in the sticks with no gas supply). The price fluctuations are huge. I think you can be quite savvy and buy your supplies when rates are lower even if you don't get it delivered at that time but it is still very volatile.

    Honestly, the state of this place. Not even gas supplies to houses.
    I don't think that's UK specific to be honest. Lots of countries will rely on propane tanks or oil tanks in rural areas.
    That just adds to Rick's grievances about living in the sticks.
    if the gas pipes can't reach your house you're too far out.
    For all the bleating about how overcrowded the South East is, large parts of Kent Sussex and Surrey are pretty remote.
    This is a relative term. I haven't come across any that would meet my definition.
    Not Mongolia remote, no. But, quite a difference from somewhere like Reigate or Rochester.
    They both have train stations, so despite my lack of local knowledge, I'm going to disagree.
  • rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    Pross said:

    My sister has oil heating (out in the sticks with no gas supply). The price fluctuations are huge. I think you can be quite savvy and buy your supplies when rates are lower even if you don't get it delivered at that time but it is still very volatile.

    Honestly, the state of this place. Not even gas supplies to houses.
    I don't think that's UK specific to be honest. Lots of countries will rely on propane tanks or oil tanks in rural areas.
    That just adds to Rick's grievances about living in the sticks.
    if the gas pipes can't reach your house you're too far out.
    For all the bleating about how overcrowded the South East is, large parts of Kent Sussex and Surrey are pretty remote.
    This is a relative term. I haven't come across any that would meet my definition.
    Not Mongolia remote, no. But, quite a difference from somewhere like Reigate or Rochester.
    They both have train stations, so despite my lack of local knowledge, I'm going to disagree.
    Which one of the two is supposed to be remote?
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,066

    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    Pross said:

    My sister has oil heating (out in the sticks with no gas supply). The price fluctuations are huge. I think you can be quite savvy and buy your supplies when rates are lower even if you don't get it delivered at that time but it is still very volatile.

    Honestly, the state of this place. Not even gas supplies to houses.
    I don't think that's UK specific to be honest. Lots of countries will rely on propane tanks or oil tanks in rural areas.
    That just adds to Rick's grievances about living in the sticks.
    if the gas pipes can't reach your house you're too far out.
    For all the bleating about how overcrowded the South East is, large parts of Kent Sussex and Surrey are pretty remote.
    This is a relative term. I haven't come across any that would meet my definition.
    Not Mongolia remote, no. But, quite a difference from somewhere like Reigate or Rochester.
    They both have train stations, so despite my lack of local knowledge, I'm going to disagree.
    Which one of the two is supposed to be remote?
    I think both are supposed to be examples of remote.
  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 7,621

    webboo said:

    Yikes. You learn something every day.

    I guess it's just more evidence that progress doesn't reach people in the sticks.

    If you are an example of urban progress, god help humanity.
    Charming. Don't take it so seriously :P
    the bizarre thing about this debate is that by any sensible definition you are in the sticks
    My terraced house that is the size of a shoebox that has access to giggabit fibre broadband says otherwise.

    And if you want to complain that UK infrastructure is sometimes poor, I give you:




  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,810
    webboo said:

    Yikes. You learn something every day.

    I guess it's just more evidence that progress doesn't reach people in the sticks.

    If you are an example of urban progress, god help humanity.
    :D
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • webboo said:

    Yikes. You learn something every day.

    I guess it's just more evidence that progress doesn't reach people in the sticks.

    If you are an example of urban progress, god help humanity.
    Charming. Don't take it so seriously :P
    the bizarre thing about this debate is that by any sensible definition you are in the sticks
    My terraced house that is the size of a shoebox that has access to giggabit fibre broadband says otherwise.
    You haven't seen many former farmworkers houses then?
    Of course he hasn't. It's patently obvious from his comments that he's never been outside an urban area, and never encountered mud.
    he lives in the Fens
    He lives in Cambridge, and gives the impression he doesn't like leaving the urban areas, unless in a train or in a car! He'd probably collapse in shock and panic if he went to the rural parts of the fens. B)

    I am struggling to think of Cambridge as non-rural
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,372 Lives Here

    webboo said:

    Yikes. You learn something every day.

    I guess it's just more evidence that progress doesn't reach people in the sticks.

    If you are an example of urban progress, god help humanity.
    Charming. Don't take it so seriously :P
    the bizarre thing about this debate is that by any sensible definition you are in the sticks
    My terraced house that is the size of a shoebox that has access to giggabit fibre broadband says otherwise.
    You haven't seen many former farmworkers houses then?
    Of course he hasn't. It's patently obvious from his comments that he's never been outside an urban area, and never encountered mud.
    he lives in the Fens
    He lives in Cambridge, and gives the impression he doesn't like leaving the urban areas, unless in a train or in a car! He'd probably collapse in shock and panic if he went to the rural parts of the fens. B)

    I am struggling to think of Cambridge as non-rural
    It is literally a city
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,756
    edited 21 September

    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    Pross said:

    My sister has oil heating (out in the sticks with no gas supply). The price fluctuations are huge. I think you can be quite savvy and buy your supplies when rates are lower even if you don't get it delivered at that time but it is still very volatile.

    Honestly, the state of this place. Not even gas supplies to houses.
    I don't think that's UK specific to be honest. Lots of countries will rely on propane tanks or oil tanks in rural areas.
    That just adds to Rick's grievances about living in the sticks.
    if the gas pipes can't reach your house you're too far out.
    For all the bleating about how overcrowded the South East is, large parts of Kent Sussex and Surrey are pretty remote.
    This is a relative term. I haven't come across any that would meet my definition.
    Not Mongolia remote, no. But, quite a difference from somewhere like Reigate or Rochester.
    They both have train stations, so despite my lack of local knowledge, I'm going to disagree.
    No, I meant parts of the Weald are remote in comparison to Reigate or Rochester. They're clearly not remote.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Liberal metropolitan, remoaner, traitor, "sympathiser", etc.
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