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  • Stevo_666 said:

    PS: sorry about the sideways photos, bloody forum software. But it does help call Eurobollox on some of the scaremongering and naive willingness to believe that a few headline grabbing pics are an accurate depiction of the overall situation.

    So you're saying that a few pics don't tell the whole story?
  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 7,648
    Stevo_666 said:

    PS: sorry about the sideways photos, bloody forum software. But it does help call Eurobollox on some of the scaremongering and naive willingness to believe that a few headline grabbing pics are an accurate depiction of the overall situation.


    Is it safe to extrapolate from your Waitrose that there's no supply problems at all anywhere?
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,835
    edited 19 September

    Stevo_666 said:

    PS: sorry about the sideways photos, bloody forum software. But it does help call Eurobollox on some of the scaremongering and naive willingness to believe that a few headline grabbing pics are an accurate depiction of the overall situation.

    Awesome
    I have to agree. Nothing like a bit of current evidence :)

    Nobody has challenged it yet, although I suspect that someone maybe down at his local Co-op now pushing goods on the shelves to one side to create the appearance of empty shelves before taking his own snaps :p
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,835
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    PS: sorry about the sideways photos, bloody forum software. But it does help call Eurobollox on some of the scaremongering and naive willingness to believe that a few headline grabbing pics are an accurate depiction of the overall situation.

    Have security caught up with the weirdo taking pictures of the aisles yet?
    All publicity is good publicity, especially if they can get more nice Cake Stop type customers.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,835

    Stevo_666 said:

    PS: sorry about the sideways photos, bloody forum software. But it does help call Eurobollox on some of the scaremongering and naive willingness to believe that a few headline grabbing pics are an accurate depiction of the overall situation.

    So you're saying that a few pics don't tell the whole story?
    Ooh, good smartarse try. Situation was the same on all aisles so I just took sample. I haven't got all day like some people :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,835

    Stevo_666 said:

    PS: sorry about the sideways photos, bloody forum software. But it does help call Eurobollox on some of the scaremongering and naive willingness to believe that a few headline grabbing pics are an accurate depiction of the overall situation.


    Is it safe to extrapolate from your Waitrose that there's no supply problems at all anywhere?
    Nope, just showing what I saw and experienced on my shopping trip to show that this is not as bad as people would like it to be.

    Good smartarse try #2 :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    PS: sorry about the sideways photos, bloody forum software. But it does help call Eurobollox on some of the scaremongering and naive willingness to believe that a few headline grabbing pics are an accurate depiction of the overall situation.

    So you're saying that a few pics don't tell the whole story?
    Ooh, good smartarse try. Situation was the same on all aisles so I just took sample. I haven't got all day like some people :)
    Phew, good thing it was the whole situation in your one waitrose I was meaning.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,772
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    PS: sorry about the sideways photos, bloody forum software. But it does help call Eurobollox on some of the scaremongering and naive willingness to believe that a few headline grabbing pics are an accurate depiction of the overall situation.

    Have security caught up with the weirdo taking pictures of the aisles yet?
    All publicity is good publicity, especially if they can get more nice Cake Stop type customers.
    They look like they could do with some customers, full stop.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,410 Lives Here
    How’s the range?
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,772
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    PS: sorry about the sideways photos, bloody forum software. But it does help call Eurobollox on some of the scaremongering and naive willingness to believe that a few headline grabbing pics are an accurate depiction of the overall situation.

    So you're saying that a few pics don't tell the whole story?
    Ooh, good smartarse try. Situation was the same on all aisles so I just took sample. I haven't got all day like some people :)
    😆I feel I now know more about your nearest Waitrose than my local supermarket.
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  • Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    PS: sorry about the sideways photos, bloody forum software. But it does help call Eurobollox on some of the scaremongering and naive willingness to believe that a few headline grabbing pics are an accurate depiction of the overall situation.


    Is it safe to extrapolate from your Waitrose that there's no supply problems at all anywhere?
    Nope, just showing what I saw and experienced on my shopping trip to show that this is not as bad as people would like it to be.

    Good smartarse try #2 :)
    Boris has put Gove in charge of sorting it out so it is safe to say the Govt thinks there is a problem.

    There is a chance you are the only person in the country who does not thing there is a problem in the UK food supply chain
  • ProssPross Posts: 29,628

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    PS: sorry about the sideways photos, bloody forum software. But it does help call Eurobollox on some of the scaremongering and naive willingness to believe that a few headline grabbing pics are an accurate depiction of the overall situation.


    Is it safe to extrapolate from your Waitrose that there's no supply problems at all anywhere?
    Nope, just showing what I saw and experienced on my shopping trip to show that this is not as bad as people would like it to be.

    Good smartarse try #2 :)
    Boris has put Gove in charge of sorting it out so it is safe to say the Govt thinks there is a problem.

    There is a chance you are the only person in the country who does not thing there is a problem in the UK food supply chain
    He's like the football supporter that refuses to accept his player dived even when the replays show there was no contact and the manager accepts it was a dive.
  • Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    PS: sorry about the sideways photos, bloody forum software. But it does help call Eurobollox on some of the scaremongering and naive willingness to believe that a few headline grabbing pics are an accurate depiction of the overall situation.


    Is it safe to extrapolate from your Waitrose that there's no supply problems at all anywhere?
    Nope, just showing what I saw and experienced on my shopping trip to show that this is not as bad as people would like it to be.

    Good smartarse try #2 :)
    Boris has put Gove in charge of sorting it out so it is safe to say the Govt thinks there is a problem.

    There is a chance you are the only person in the country who does not thing there is a problem in the UK food supply chain
    That's what the left wing Euro loving media wants you to think. Like the Daily Mail.
  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 7,078
    edited 19 September
    It's not a few photos is though Stevo. It's the CEOs of these supermarkets saying the difficulties are extreme.

    Let them eat cake.
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  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 7,648
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    PS: sorry about the sideways photos, bloody forum software. But it does help call Eurobollox on some of the scaremongering and naive willingness to believe that a few headline grabbing pics are an accurate depiction of the overall situation.


    Is it safe to extrapolate from your Waitrose that there's no supply problems at all anywhere?
    Nope, just showing what I saw and experienced on my shopping trip to show that this is not as bad as people would like it to be.

    Good smartarse try #2 :)

    Maybe there's a reason your Waitrose isn't suffering too much. They've nicked a lot of the deckchairs.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/soaring-pay-puts-waitrose-lorry-drivers-on-a-par-with-lawyers-r5673lbls

    Waitrose is offering lorry drivers higher salaries than some of its head office executives after a national shortage prompted a poaching war among retailers.

    The supermarket chain is prepared to pay up to £53,780 a year to large goods vehicle (LGV) drivers, who it says are of “critical importance” to the company.

    This is more money than many head office jobs advertised at its parent company, John Lewis Partnership, including £45,000 for two senior executive roles, £46,000 for a pensions specialist and £46,700 for a finance analyst.
  • john80john80 Posts: 2,425
    edited 19 September
    elbowloh said:

    It's not a few photos is though Stevo. It's the CEOs of these supermarkets saying the difficulties are extreme.

    Let them eat cake.

    The last guy I listened to from Tesco said it was a serious situation but we should not be alarmed as consumers as there were plenty of alternative products available so essentially no need to panic buy yet. In all seriousness I was in Aldi the other day and whilst some ranges were out you would have to be pretty pedantic to not be able to cook your intended meal. I also listened to either Starmer or lib Dem leader banging on about shortage of toys, turkeys and gas for Christmas. I was laughing driving the van. These people are wanting to shut down the oil and gas industry yet complaining about the cost of gas. It is laughable how disjointed they are in their thinking.
  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 7,648



    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/09/19/mounting-fears-1970s-style-three-day-week-britains-energy-crunch/

    Data from Gas Infrastructure Europe show that the UK has less than nine terawatt hours of storage compared to 75 terawatt hours in the Netherlands (with a quarter of the population). Dutch storage is nevertheless unusually low for this time of the year at 52pc of capacity, compared with 85pc to 90pc normally. The stocks are 113 terawatt hours in France, 148 in Germany and 166 in Italy.

    Mr Moffatt said he warned that closing Rough was a dangerous decision in key meetings with British officials but the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy dug in its heels. “They refused to listen and kept saying that we had diversity of supply: they misunderstood the responsiveness of liquefied natural gas to short-term shocks,” he said.

    “We are now extremely vulnerable and I’m afraid the situation is going to get worse. Prices could go through the roof. You can’t rely on the interconnectors. Contracts can be rescinded and suppliers can declare force majeure: end of story. The EU made this very clear during the negotiations over Brexit,” Mr Moffatt added.

    “We could easily see a three-day working week. The Government has been playing dangerous games with the grid and has allowed a situation to develop that is outside their control. It’s terribly depressing.”


    Come on, cheer us up, Stevo. Even the Telegraph is getting depressed.
  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 7,648
    Still, at least we'll be back in the 1970s, three-day week and all, pre EEC, which is where the Brexit loons wanted us to be.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,772

    Still, at least we'll be back in the 1970s, three-day week and all, pre EEC, which is where the Brexit loons wanted us to be.

    How before some halfwit suggests reintroducing £.s.d?
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,410 Lives Here
    Holland is a slightly unfair comparison as they drill their own gas
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 16,842

    Holland is a slightly unfair comparison as they drill their own gas

    So does the UK. Oil and gas industry?
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,410 Lives Here
    Yeah there are parts of Holland where the towns sink every year as they pump gas from out under them. Big gas reserves (though I think they are now running out).

  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,410 Lives Here
    pblakeney said:

    Holland is a slightly unfair comparison as they drill their own gas

    So does the UK. Oil and gas industry?
    Different proportion
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,410 Lives Here
    edited 19 September
  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 7,648
    I'm just waiting for Stevo to say that he's got plenty of gas for his boiler.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,410 Lives Here
    Maybe some of the Tories here will work out why Thatcher was quite pro EU membership on balance
  • ProssPross Posts: 29,628

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    PS: sorry about the sideways photos, bloody forum software. But it does help call Eurobollox on some of the scaremongering and naive willingness to believe that a few headline grabbing pics are an accurate depiction of the overall situation.


    Is it safe to extrapolate from your Waitrose that there's no supply problems at all anywhere?
    Nope, just showing what I saw and experienced on my shopping trip to show that this is not as bad as people would like it to be.

    Good smartarse try #2 :)

    Maybe there's a reason your Waitrose isn't suffering too much. They've nicked a lot of the deckchairs.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/soaring-pay-puts-waitrose-lorry-drivers-on-a-par-with-lawyers-r5673lbls

    Waitrose is offering lorry drivers higher salaries than some of its head office executives after a national shortage prompted a poaching war among retailers.

    The supermarket chain is prepared to pay up to £53,780 a year to large goods vehicle (LGV) drivers, who it says are of “critical importance” to the company.

    This is more money than many head office jobs advertised at its parent company, John Lewis Partnership, including £45,000 for two senior executive roles, £46,000 for a pensions specialist and £46,700 for a finance analyst.
    I'm not buying "senior executives" are getting paid less than £50k at Waitrose. A pensions specialist and finance analyst aren't necessarily senior executive positions. Sounds like lazy journalism trying to fit facts to the narrative. No doubt that driver rate would be with loads of overtime, shift allowances etc. too.
  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 7,648
    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    PS: sorry about the sideways photos, bloody forum software. But it does help call Eurobollox on some of the scaremongering and naive willingness to believe that a few headline grabbing pics are an accurate depiction of the overall situation.


    Is it safe to extrapolate from your Waitrose that there's no supply problems at all anywhere?
    Nope, just showing what I saw and experienced on my shopping trip to show that this is not as bad as people would like it to be.

    Good smartarse try #2 :)

    Maybe there's a reason your Waitrose isn't suffering too much. They've nicked a lot of the deckchairs.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/soaring-pay-puts-waitrose-lorry-drivers-on-a-par-with-lawyers-r5673lbls

    Waitrose is offering lorry drivers higher salaries than some of its head office executives after a national shortage prompted a poaching war among retailers.

    The supermarket chain is prepared to pay up to £53,780 a year to large goods vehicle (LGV) drivers, who it says are of “critical importance” to the company.

    This is more money than many head office jobs advertised at its parent company, John Lewis Partnership, including £45,000 for two senior executive roles, £46,000 for a pensions specialist and £46,700 for a finance analyst.
    I'm not buying "senior executives" are getting paid less than £50k at Waitrose. A pensions specialist and finance analyst aren't necessarily senior executive positions. Sounds like lazy journalism trying to fit facts to the narrative. No doubt that driver rate would be with loads of overtime, shift allowances etc. too.

    Maybe they've got the 'senior executives' to drive the HGVs, with a bit of training, and the new test-lite.
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