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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 17,783
    edited 9 August
    Jezyboy said:

    Brexit saved me money on the fancy special edition alpecin fenix kit at the start of the tour.

    Same. Well, not Brexit obviously, because that's all done, but the status of the UK's ongoing relationship with the EU.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,211
    How did it save you money...?

    (I liked it, but it suited MvdP way better than it would have done me... :( )
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,377 Lives Here

    I have enjoyed hearing the same people argue that the current staff shortages are the result of Brexit, but that the wage increases are nothing to do with Brexit.

    Correlation causation etc
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,377 Lives Here
    Stevo_666 said:

    You want a daily reminder that Brexit was a bad idea?

    I don't need a daily reminder that it's no longer a big issue for me or most people.
    It is curious that you find the prospect of brexit more interesting than the actual consequences.

    I would hazard a guess if businesses around the UK were saying how great it all was you would be gloating, though feel free to disagree
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 17,783
    edited 9 August
    ddraver said:

    How did it save you money...?

    (I liked it, but it suited MvdP way better than it would have done me... :( )

    Couldn't buy it.
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 14,602

    I have enjoyed hearing the same people argue that the current staff shortages are the result of Brexit, but that the wage increases are nothing to do with Brexit.

    I am currently on the Isle of Wight and it seems nearly every business has a sign looking for staff and/or restricted opening or offering. Have been a few time before and never noticed any East Europeans so I do wonder how much is Brexit fuelled.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,762

    I have enjoyed hearing the same people argue that the current staff shortages are the result of Brexit, but that the wage increases are nothing to do with Brexit.

    I am currently on the Isle of Wight and it seems nearly every business has a sign looking for staff and/or restricted opening or offering. Have been a few time before and never noticed any East Europeans so I do wonder how much is Brexit fuelled.
    Ditto in East Devon. Lots of places running short hours due to staff shortages.
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  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 7,628

    Stevo_666 said:

    You want a daily reminder that Brexit was a bad idea?

    I don't need a daily reminder that it's no longer a big issue for me or most people.
    It is curious that you find the prospect of brexit more interesting than the actual consequences.

    I would hazard a guess if businesses around the UK were saying how great it all was you would be gloating, though feel free to disagree

    I'm surprised that Stevo hasn't chipped in to say how if only we'd still been in the EU how well our second jab rate would have been doing.
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 14,602
    rjsterry said:

    I have enjoyed hearing the same people argue that the current staff shortages are the result of Brexit, but that the wage increases are nothing to do with Brexit.

    I am currently on the Isle of Wight and it seems nearly every business has a sign looking for staff and/or restricted opening or offering. Have been a few time before and never noticed any East Europeans so I do wonder how much is Brexit fuelled.
    Ditto in East Devon. Lots of places running short hours due to staff shortages.
    What are the locals saying Brexit, furlough or pingdemic?
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,818

    Stevo_666 said:

    You want a daily reminder that Brexit was a bad idea?

    I don't need a daily reminder that it's no longer a big issue for me or most people.
    It is curious that you find the prospect of brexit more interesting than the actual consequences.

    I would hazard a guess if businesses around the UK were saying how great it all was you would be gloating, though feel free to disagree
    As mentioned before, it's no big deal either way. Life goes on with more important things to deal with.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,818

    I have enjoyed hearing the same people argue that the current staff shortages are the result of Brexit, but that the wage increases are nothing to do with Brexit.

    :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 16,674
    Brexit is done.

    What isn't done is how the relationship between the UK and the EU takes shape

    This will be a topic of discussion long after this forum ends never mind this thread.

    Believe that a farther shore
    Is reachable from here.
    Believe in miracles
    And cures and healing wells
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,070

    Brexit is done.

    What isn't done is how the relationship between the UK and the EU takes shape

    This will be a topic of discussion long after this forum ends never mind this thread.

    There's not much noise around GB - EU relationship. Obviously that other bit of the UK isn't as simple.
  • ProssPross Posts: 29,619

    rjsterry said:

    I have enjoyed hearing the same people argue that the current staff shortages are the result of Brexit, but that the wage increases are nothing to do with Brexit.

    I am currently on the Isle of Wight and it seems nearly every business has a sign looking for staff and/or restricted opening or offering. Have been a few time before and never noticed any East Europeans so I do wonder how much is Brexit fuelled.
    Ditto in East Devon. Lots of places running short hours due to staff shortages.
    What are the locals saying Brexit, furlough or pingdemic?
    I suspect a lot of people in the industry took Rishi's advice and left / retrained. It will be interesting to see if, once theatres etc. are fully back in business, there are enough backstage staff to cover everything or if they also took that advice.
  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 7,628
    Pross said:

    rjsterry said:

    I have enjoyed hearing the same people argue that the current staff shortages are the result of Brexit, but that the wage increases are nothing to do with Brexit.

    I am currently on the Isle of Wight and it seems nearly every business has a sign looking for staff and/or restricted opening or offering. Have been a few time before and never noticed any East Europeans so I do wonder how much is Brexit fuelled.
    Ditto in East Devon. Lots of places running short hours due to staff shortages.
    What are the locals saying Brexit, furlough or pingdemic?
    I suspect a lot of people in the industry took Rishi's advice and left / retrained. It will be interesting to see if, once theatres etc. are fully back in business, there are enough backstage staff to cover everything or if they also took that advice.

    As long as enough ballet dancers retrained to keep the websites running, who cares if there's no-one on stage or behind it?
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,762
    edited 9 August

    rjsterry said:

    I have enjoyed hearing the same people argue that the current staff shortages are the result of Brexit, but that the wage increases are nothing to do with Brexit.

    I am currently on the Isle of Wight and it seems nearly every business has a sign looking for staff and/or restricted opening or offering. Have been a few time before and never noticed any East Europeans so I do wonder how much is Brexit fuelled.
    Ditto in East Devon. Lots of places running short hours due to staff shortages.
    What are the locals saying Brexit, furlough or pingdemic?
    I've not asked. Just noticeable that there are plenty of tourists about, but quite a lot of cafés and restaurants still opening limited hours, with some specifically stating that they are short staffed.
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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 17,783

    I have enjoyed hearing the same people argue that the current staff shortages are the result of Brexit, but that the wage increases are nothing to do with Brexit.

    I haven't heard them, but are they talking about the same jobs?
  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 16,674

    Brexit is done.

    What isn't done is how the relationship between the UK and the EU takes shape

    This will be a topic of discussion long after this forum ends never mind this thread.

    There's not much noise around GB - EU relationship. Obviously that other bit of the UK isn't as simple.
    That there's not much noise around it doesn't mean it's not going to be a big influence in all our lives for the foreseeable future



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    Believe in miracles
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,211
    Down here it's brexit + house prices/second homes which is eternal.

    Lots of job vacancies but, as yet, no rise in wages.

    Everyone wants the emmets out tho (despite the irony) . Its basically been solid since April and its clearly going to continue until late October
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 16,813

    Brexit is done.

    What isn't done is how the relationship between the UK and the EU takes shape

    This will be a topic of discussion long after this forum ends never mind this thread.

    There's not much noise around GB - EU relationship. Obviously that other bit of the UK isn't as simple.
    There has been a couple of distractions. Covid and the Olympics ring any bells?
    Add on climate change and the headlines have been filled.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,211
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 17,783
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,070

    Stevo_666 said:


    How are you getting on with the crowd funding for that time machine I suggested?
    Well it was previously funded by the EU Horizon 2020 scheme but obviously that source of income has dried up and the U.K. govt was more interesting in spaffing it up on OneWeb which had “better looking returns” despite the fact it was a busted flush.
    Busted flush just raised even more money. This time from Hanwha. This follows the investment from Eutelsat.

    (It was the only OneWeb result in the forum search)
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,211
    ddraver said:

    morstar said:

    ddraver said:

    The problem there is that UK vets want to play with horses and puppies rather than check that one of the 500 cows covered in sh1te about to be slaughtered for Findus lasagne hasn't got TB...

    I agree with this but I also don’t see it as an unreasonable stance.

    You pay a fortune in fees and study incredibly hard due to a love of animals.

    Sure. It wasn't meant as a criticism. Just a problem that now needs solving having told all the people that used to do it to go home...

    Spoke to one of the aforementioned vet student friends last night and asked her about Port Health. Her response was to say that they had long and detailed discussions about food sustainability. There was no interest in working in abattoirs, although they obviously have to learn and train there.

    Also, there are no now longer enough Lorry Drivers in Cornwall to deliver Milk to Dairys and Cream to Cream Tea Shops. Farmers are dumping whole trailers of milk because they can't get the drivers.

    Jam first has become Jam only...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • morstarmorstar Posts: 4,663
    ddraver said:

    ddraver said:

    morstar said:

    ddraver said:

    The problem there is that UK vets want to play with horses and puppies rather than check that one of the 500 cows covered in sh1te about to be slaughtered for Findus lasagne hasn't got TB...

    I agree with this but I also don’t see it as an unreasonable stance.

    You pay a fortune in fees and study incredibly hard due to a love of animals.

    Sure. It wasn't meant as a criticism. Just a problem that now needs solving having told all the people that used to do it to go home...

    Spoke to one of the aforementioned vet student friends last night and asked her about Port Health. Her response was to say that they had long and detailed discussions about food sustainability. There was no interest in working in abattoirs, although they obviously have to learn and train there.

    Also, there are no now longer enough Lorry Drivers in Cornwall to deliver Milk to Dairys and Cream to Cream Tea Shops. Farmers are dumping whole trailers of milk because they can't get the drivers.

    Jam first has become Jam only...
    Bizarre state of affairs. Some things will right themselves, others won’t. Difficult to work out what will happen long term.
    I am seeing a reduction in sheep locally and an increase in beef cattle. Some sizeable fields have been empty since Feb which is unusual but possibly just resting the fields. They are ones that were hammered with walkers during Covid.
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 17,783
    https://news.sky.com/story/nandos-forced-to-close-50-restaurants-due-to-supply-chain-disruptions-12384047?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

    "The company confirmed that its sites in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, which have a unique customs arrangement due to Brexit, had not been affected."
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,070

    https://news.sky.com/story/nandos-forced-to-close-50-restaurants-due-to-supply-chain-disruptions-12384047?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

    "The company confirmed that its sites in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, which have a unique customs arrangement due to Brexit, had not been affected."

    Isn't the closure of Nandos a Brexit upside?
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 14,602
    I am sure that previously specialist agencies would have recruited drivers from across the EU. What is worrying is that we have not added HGV drivers to a list of required professions which suggests that once again ideology is getting the better of economics
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,211

    https://news.sky.com/story/nandos-forced-to-close-50-restaurants-due-to-supply-chain-disruptions-12384047?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

    "The company confirmed that its sites in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, which have a unique customs arrangement due to Brexit, had not been affected."

    Isn't the closure of Nandos a Brexit upside?
    *Chuckle*
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,070

    I am sure that previously specialist agencies would have recruited drivers from across the EU. What is worrying is that we have not added HGV drivers to a list of required professions which suggests that once again ideology is getting the better of economics

    I think I read somewhere that the DVLA says there are quite a lot of people with HGV licences, so they see it more as commercial issue. Why are these people not driving HGVs? Because they can earn more in better conditions doing something else.
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