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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 17,785
    Stevo_666 said:

    So various people have pondered why I live in the UK when I clearly have no time for it, and broadly it's been because my wife is English and wants to stay.

    Anyway, she's genuinely wavering about wanting to stay here. Seems the straw that is breaking all of this is the state of schools and a general culture that disadvantages the young and children.

    Currently going through the various options with her in terms of where to move to.

    Sounds like a poll is in order, you should get a lot of helpful suggestions ;)

    Although to be fair, based on the comments in a lot of threads on this forum you shouldn't be the only one thinking about it...
    I know - even on this thread here we've had some people think it's so bad here they wanted to make some very fundamental changes. Why do they hate this country so much?
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,212

    ddraver said:

    well...Mountain sports is a rather big tick in the column for me, though I accept that a Ski Resort tells you very little about the reality of the rest of the country. (Though having my ACL put back together in Bern was a rather pleasurable experience all things considered)

    And we know Chasey is a useful climber ;)

    That's fine, but most (?) countries have mountain sports, so why Switzerland? Better mountains?
    Well, Austria has.

    The problem with France, Italy and...I suppose Germany...is that, like Cornwall, the areas with mountain sports tend not to be hives of economic activity. Although the amount of time the tour spends in drab valley floors suggests they can be better at it than us.
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,072
    ddraver said:

    ddraver said:

    well...Mountain sports is a rather big tick in the column for me, though I accept that a Ski Resort tells you very little about the reality of the rest of the country. (Though having my ACL put back together in Bern was a rather pleasurable experience all things considered)

    And we know Chasey is a useful climber ;)

    That's fine, but most (?) countries have mountain sports, so why Switzerland? Better mountains?
    Well, Austria has.

    The problem with France, Italy and...I suppose Germany...is that, like Cornwall, the areas with mountain sports tend not to be hives of economic activity. Although the amount of time the tour spends in drab valley floors suggests they can be better at it than us.
    Geology in Calgary is your calling then.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,212
    Hah!

    What's left of it. A few friends went over there but I think it's taken a real hit since 2014. Tar Sands aren't profitable at 55$/Bbl
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 14,603

    So various people have pondered why I live in the UK when I clearly have no time for it, and broadly it's been because my wife is English and wants to stay.

    Anyway, she's genuinely wavering about wanting to stay here. Seems the straw that is breaking all of this is the state of schools and a general culture that disadvantages the young and children.

    Currently going through the various options with her in terms of where to move to.

    sounds like you have broken her. If only we could reach out directly we could stage an intervention and save her
    She is the influence on me not the other way around.
    Probably Stockholm Syndrome

    In your line of work wouldn't you be better off going to NYC?
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,381 Lives Here

    So various people have pondered why I live in the UK when I clearly have no time for it, and broadly it's been because my wife is English and wants to stay.

    Anyway, she's genuinely wavering about wanting to stay here. Seems the straw that is breaking all of this is the state of schools and a general culture that disadvantages the young and children.

    Currently going through the various options with her in terms of where to move to.

    sounds like you have broken her. If only we could reach out directly we could stage an intervention and save her
    She is the influence on me not the other way around.
    Probably Stockholm Syndrome

    In your line of work wouldn't you be better off going to NYC?
    Have been there and done that - I do not want to puts roots down there, nor do I want my daughter growing up in the US.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,212
    So now we have to decide who to trust - EU or UK Government.. .

    hmm...

    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,072
    ddraver said:

    So now we have to decide who to trust - EU or UK Government.. .

    hmm...

    My money is not on the journalist.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,212


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    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • morstarmorstar Posts: 4,663
    ddraver said:



    ?

    Close your eyes and reciteโ€ฆ

    I believe in Great Britain,
    I believe inโ€ฆ
  • pangolinpangolin Posts: 3,969
    Lol, further confirmation NI is for the chop
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  • ProssPross Posts: 29,622

    So various people have pondered why I live in the UK when I clearly have no time for it, and broadly it's been because my wife is English and wants to stay.

    Anyway, she's genuinely wavering about wanting to stay here. Seems the straw that is breaking all of this is the state of schools and a general culture that disadvantages the young and children.

    Currently going through the various options with her in terms of where to move to.

    sounds like you have broken her. If only we could reach out directly we could stage an intervention and save her
    She is the influence on me not the other way around.
    Probably Stockholm Syndrome

    In your line of work wouldn't you be better off going to NYC?
    Have been there and done that - I do not want to puts roots down there, nor do I want my daughter growing up in the US.
    Singapore? Or New Zealand has a growing financial sector I believe and they speak a sort of version of English. Europe presumably Frankfurt is the best option?
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 16,819
    The main problem with NZ is time and distance.
    The main positive for NZ is distance and time. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I'd be there now if I could get the wife to leave the grand children.
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  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,072

    ddraver said:

    So now we have to decide who to trust - EU or UK Government.. .

    hmm...

    My money is not on the journalist.
    Here's the answer which the journalist could have read and explained.

    https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/05/14/trade-off-different-ways-of-measuring-imports-and-exports/
  • ProssPross Posts: 29,622
    pblakeney said:

    The main problem with NZ is time and distance.
    The main positive for NZ is distance and time. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I'd be there now if I could get the wife to leave the grand children.

    Yeah, I'd have gone to NZ years ago if not for pesky things like families (Canada was another option).
  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 7,631
    David no-one-could-have-predicted-that-the-NI-protocol-would-be-problematic Frost must either be stupid, or think that everyone else is.

    But it was when Labourโ€™s Graham Stringer asked about the Northern Ireland protocol that Frost began to unravel. It had been obvious from the start the UK had only been pretending to apply EU law in Northern Ireland as a matter of political convenience and what the EU had done was to deliberately misinterpret this as if we were signing an international treaty in good faith. We had imagined that the EU would look on the protocol as mere window dressing and would take a pragmatic view of us ignoring the rules.

    It should have been obvious we had not intention of sticking to the letter of the law, Frost continued. Not least because Boris Johnson was the UK prime minister and if there was one thing on which you could rely with Boris was that he never kept his promises and would seek to bend the regulations. So Frost and his negotiating team had been totally taken aback to discover that the EU were treating Johnson as a man of his word and were expecting the UK to keep to the terms of the protocol. It was all a bit bumpy right now, Frost conceded, but no one could possibly have imagined that events would pan out as they had.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/22/they-might-have-got-more-brexit-sense-out-of-frosty-the-snowman
  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 7,078
    pblakeney said:

    The main problem with NZ is time and distance.
    The main positive for NZ is distance and time. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I'd be there now if I could get the wife to leave the grand children.

    We almost did it, but turned down a job as it was just after the first was born and couldn't take him away from the inlaws as their only grandchild.
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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,765
    edited 22 June
    I'm still not clear what is bad enough to leave the UK, that isn't just differently messed up elsewhere.
    Obviously a very personal subjective thing, so genuinely asking rather than rhetorically.
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  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 7,078
    edited 22 June
    rjsterry said:

    I'm still not clear what is bad enough to leave the UK, that isn't just differently messed up elsewhere.

    Might be as messed up, but they've got whales, dusky, dolphins, penguins, a better cricket and rugby team and no Covid.

    It's also just expanding your horizons and getting new experiences, doesn't necessarily have to be better.
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  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,072
    rjsterry said:

    I'm still not clear what is bad enough to leave the UK, that isn't just differently messed up elsewhere.

    The most common reason is cheaper/bigger housing, essentially more space. Weather also.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,212
    rjsterry said:

    I'm still not clear what is bad enough to leave the UK, that isn't just differently messed up elsewhere.
    Obviously a very personal subjective thing, so genuinely asking rather than rhetorically.

    A feeling things are at least moving in the right direction...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,765
    elbowloh said:

    rjsterry said:

    I'm still not clear what is bad enough to leave the UK, that isn't just differently messed up elsewhere.

    Might be as messed up, but they've got whales, dusky, dolphins, penguins, a better cricket and rugby team and no Covid.

    It's also just expanding your horizons and getting new experiences, doesn't necessarily have to be better.
    I'm discounting NZ as too far away. If the move is to overcome some disadvantage, then it's not really about new experiences.
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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,765

    rjsterry said:

    I'm still not clear what is bad enough to leave the UK, that isn't just differently messed up elsewhere.

    The most common reason is cheaper/bigger housing, essentially more space. Weather also.
    I don't get the weather thing. The same weather for more than a week feels monotonous to me, so GB is perfect. Bigger houses I can't argue with. I'm working on a big house refurb at the moment and realised that the open plan kitchen diner is the same size as the minimum floor area for a 2-bed/3-person flat.
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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,765
    ddraver said:

    rjsterry said:

    I'm still not clear what is bad enough to leave the UK, that isn't just differently messed up elsewhere.
    Obviously a very personal subjective thing, so genuinely asking rather than rhetorically.

    A feeling things are at least moving in the right direction...
    I think there are signs of the tide turning on that front.
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,212
    The same way you feel when the England football team goes 1 - 0 up in the first 15 mi....oh
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 7,078
    rjsterry said:

    elbowloh said:

    rjsterry said:

    I'm still not clear what is bad enough to leave the UK, that isn't just differently messed up elsewhere.

    Might be as messed up, but they've got whales, dusky, dolphins, penguins, a better cricket and rugby team and no Covid.

    It's also just expanding your horizons and getting new experiences, doesn't necessarily have to be better.
    I'm discounting NZ as too far away. If the move is to overcome some disadvantage, then it's not really about new experiences.
    No Boris in NZ, no Brexit in NZ?
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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,765
    edited 22 June
    elbowloh said:

    rjsterry said:

    elbowloh said:

    rjsterry said:

    I'm still not clear what is bad enough to leave the UK, that isn't just differently messed up elsewhere.

    Might be as messed up, but they've got whales, dusky, dolphins, penguins, a better cricket and rugby team and no Covid.

    It's also just expanding your horizons and getting new experiences, doesn't necessarily have to be better.
    I'm discounting NZ as too far away. If the move is to overcome some disadvantage, then it's not really about new experiences.
    No Boris in NZ, no Brexit in NZ?
    He won't be around for long.
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  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,072
    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    I'm still not clear what is bad enough to leave the UK, that isn't just differently messed up elsewhere.

    The most common reason is cheaper/bigger housing, essentially more space. Weather also.
    I don't get the weather thing. The same weather for more than a week feels monotonous to me, so GB is perfect. Bigger houses I can't argue with. I'm working on a big house refurb at the moment and realised that the open plan kitchen diner is the same size as the minimum floor area for a 2-bed/3-person flat.
    Everyone is different. Personally, I don't like big houses as it creates sparsely populated towns where everyone drives everywhere. I understand that appeals to some in same way hot weather does to others.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,765
    ddraver said:

    The same way you feel when the England football team goes 1 - 0 up in the first 15 mi....oh

    Football metaphors will pass me by, I'm afraid. The current nonsense is unsustainable, so it will end.
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  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 7,078
    rjsterry said:

    elbowloh said:

    rjsterry said:

    elbowloh said:

    rjsterry said:

    I'm still not clear what is bad enough to leave the UK, that isn't just differently messed up elsewhere.

    Might be as messed up, but they've got whales, dusky, dolphins, penguins, a better cricket and rugby team and no Covid.

    It's also just expanding your horizons and getting new experiences, doesn't necessarily have to be better.
    I'm discounting NZ as too far away. If the move is to overcome some disadvantage, then it's not really about new experiences.
    No Boris in NZ, no Brexit in NZ?
    He won't be around for long.
    He's been Mayor of London, various government roles and now PM. He's been around a bloody long time. Far too long.
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