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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,372 Lives Here
    Stevo_666 said:

    elbowloh said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Macron is an utter [email protected] and once he is voted out out by the French electorate, this sort of thing will likely stop. We just need to be patient.

    The downside is that his most likely conqueror is Le Pen.
    True, but she may not be as much of an censored towards us. It's more of a problem for France - and the EU. It would be ironic that the actions of the arch federalist Macron precipitated the departure of France from the EU by making Le Pen electable.
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  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 7,621

    Stevo_666 said:

    elbowloh said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Macron is an utter [email protected] and once he is voted out out by the French electorate, this sort of thing will likely stop. We just need to be patient.

    The downside is that his most likely conqueror is Le Pen.
    True, but she may not be as much of an censored towards us. It's more of a problem for France - and the EU. It would be ironic that the actions of the arch federalist Macron precipitated the departure of France from the EU by making Le Pen electable.
    😲

    I've no idea of the reliability of this source, but it seems to think that le Pen wouldn't be pulling out of the EU. https://www.euractiv.com/section/elections/news/bye-frexit-hello-ecology-why-le-pens-party-programme-has-a-new-agenda/
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,372 Lives Here
    edited 6 May
    That wasn’t what I was surprised about.

    You know a good selling point of the EU is that it stops these petty escalations?
  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 7,621

    That wasn’t what I was surprised about.

    You know a good selling point of the EU is that it stops these petty escalations?


    I wonder how many times we sent gunboats to 'monitor' a dispute with another member of the EEC/EU while we were in it...
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,810
    morstar said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    elbowloh said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Macron is an utter [email protected] and once he is voted out out by the French electorate, this sort of thing will likely stop. We just need to be patient.

    The downside is that his most likely conqueror is Le Pen.
    True, but she may not be as much of an censored towards us. It's more of a problem for France - and the EU. It would be ironic that the actions of the arch federalist Macron precipitated the departure of France from the EU by making Le Pen electable.
    So the principle that two bad party leaders doesn’t lead to good governance does apply in France.

    Maybe one for the irony thread.
    morstar said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    elbowloh said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Macron is an utter [email protected] and once he is voted out out by the French electorate, this sort of thing will likely stop. We just need to be patient.

    The downside is that his most likely conqueror is Le Pen.
    True, but she may not be as much of an censored towards us. It's more of a problem for France - and the EU. It would be ironic that the actions of the arch federalist Macron precipitated the departure of France from the EU by making Le Pen electable.
    So the principle that two bad party leaders doesn’t lead to good governance does apply in France.

    Maybe one for the irony thread.
    Maybe, but its not our problem.
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,810
    And here's a possible proportionately response to Macrons silly games:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/05/06/britain-threatens-cut-france-future-electricity-links/

    Quote:
    Britain is set to review its energy links with France after the country threatened to cut off Jersey’s power supply in a row over fishing rights.

    A senior Whitehall source described France’s actions as “outrageous” and said the UK would have to take a more cautious view of France as an energy partner.

    It is understood that Britain could seek to route future giant undersea power cable projects towards the Netherlands, which it now views as a more reliable partner than France. A source said France had “weaponised” its electricity exports.


    Careful what you wish for, Emmanuel.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,372 Lives Here
    The thing is the Stevos of this world get a real hard on for this stuff.

    We’ve already had a Chamberlain reference. Now Stevo with the “careful what you wish for” threat.

    They want the conflict.

    Hell, Stevo is even ok with a neo-fascist in charge over a fairly centrist Macron as she might be friendlier to the UK (presumably as long as she’s not speaking to Patel or Sunak) and is more likely to torpedo the EU.
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 17,783
    I'm going out on a limb and say that I think a fascist leader of France would not be good for the UK in the short, medium or long term.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,372 Lives Here
    I’ll hazard a guess Stevo’s not Jewish
  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 16,674
    Some French fishermen had a protest and the UK sent a couple of boats to keep an eye on it.

    That's it.

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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,810

    The thing is the Stevos of this world get a real hard on for this stuff.

    We’ve already had a Chamberlain reference. Now Stevo with the “careful what you wish for” threat.

    They want the conflict.

    Hell, Stevo is even ok with a neo-fascist in charge over a fairly centrist Macron as she might be friendlier to the UK (presumably as long as she’s not speaking to Patel or Sunak) and is more likely to torpedo the EU.

    censored happens Rick. You seem very reluctant to condemn Macron for what he is doing, despite him trying to cause trouble for our country.

    Like I said, would be ironic if an arch federalist precipitated Frexit. The EU really need to tell him to get back in his box if they know what's good for them. Do you not see that danger?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,810

    I’ll hazard a guess Stevo’s not Jewish

    Nope. What about you?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,810

    I'm going out on a limb and say that I think a fascist leader of France would not be good for the UK in the short, medium or long term.

    It will be worse for the EU. As mentioned above, the EU really need to clip his wings a bit. It'll take longer for the French electorate to get shot of him.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,756
    Stevo_666 said:

    And here's a possible proportionately response to Macrons silly games:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/05/06/britain-threatens-cut-france-future-electricity-links/

    Quote:
    Britain is set to review its energy links with France after the country threatened to cut off Jersey’s power supply in a row over fishing rights.

    A senior Whitehall source described France’s actions as “outrageous” and said the UK would have to take a more cautious view of France as an energy partner.

    It is understood that Britain could seek to route future giant undersea power cable projects towards the Netherlands, which it now views as a more reliable partner than France. A source said France had “weaponised” its electricity exports.


    Careful what you wish for, Emmanuel.

    I'm slightly embarrassed for you that you get taken in by this guff.
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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,756
    Stevo_666 said:

    I'm going out on a limb and say that I think a fascist leader of France would not be good for the UK in the short, medium or long term.

    It will be worse for the EU. As mentioned above, the EU really need to clip his wings a bit. It'll take longer for the French electorate to get shot of him.
    Macron's approval rating was going up last time I checked. I guess acting like a d*** wins on both sides of the Channel.
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  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 7,078
    Stevo_666 said:

    I'm going out on a limb and say that I think a fascist leader of France would not be good for the UK in the short, medium or long term.

    It will be worse for the EU. As mentioned above, the EU really need to clip his wings a bit. It'll take longer for the French electorate to get shot of him.
    Even if it is worse for the EU, it's still not a good thing for us!
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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 17,783
    This from the Telegraph. "The British quarrel is not with France: it is with Emmanuel Macron. His method of government to play the nationalist card and to pick fights with the British wherever possible."
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,372 Lives Here
    Stevo_666 said:

    The thing is the Stevos of this world get a real hard on for this stuff.

    We’ve already had a Chamberlain reference. Now Stevo with the “careful what you wish for” threat.

    They want the conflict.

    Hell, Stevo is even ok with a neo-fascist in charge over a fairly centrist Macron as she might be friendlier to the UK (presumably as long as she’s not speaking to Patel or Sunak) and is more likely to torpedo the EU.

    censored happens Rick. You seem very reluctant to condemn Macron for what he is doing, despite him trying to cause trouble for our country.

    Like I said, would be ironic if an arch federalist precipitated Frexit. The EU really need to tell him to get back in his box if they know what's good for them. Do you not see that danger?
    Earlier in the thread:



    Oh mate it's not taking sides. Relax.

    The whole thing is ridiculous and avoidable.

  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 14,602
    A lot of people still don’t get it that Brexit is a signpost in their quest to bring down the EU.

    Try seeing it through that lens and SteveO/DT make sense
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,372 Lives Here

    A lot of people still don’t get it that Brexit is a signpost in their quest to bring down the EU.

    Try seeing it through that lens and SteveO/DT make sense

    Totally. Anything that hastens the death of the EU is "good" for Britain in their eyes, whatever the collateral.
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,810
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    And here's a possible proportionately response to Macrons silly games:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/05/06/britain-threatens-cut-france-future-electricity-links/

    Quote:
    Britain is set to review its energy links with France after the country threatened to cut off Jersey’s power supply in a row over fishing rights.

    A senior Whitehall source described France’s actions as “outrageous” and said the UK would have to take a more cautious view of France as an energy partner.

    It is understood that Britain could seek to route future giant undersea power cable projects towards the Netherlands, which it now views as a more reliable partner than France. A source said France had “weaponised” its electricity exports.


    Careful what you wish for, Emmanuel.

    I'm slightly embarrassed for you that you get taken in by this guff.
    One silly threat deserves another. Dont you think?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,756
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    And here's a possible proportionately response to Macrons silly games:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/05/06/britain-threatens-cut-france-future-electricity-links/

    Quote:
    Britain is set to review its energy links with France after the country threatened to cut off Jersey’s power supply in a row over fishing rights.

    A senior Whitehall source described France’s actions as “outrageous” and said the UK would have to take a more cautious view of France as an energy partner.

    It is understood that Britain could seek to route future giant undersea power cable projects towards the Netherlands, which it now views as a more reliable partner than France. A source said France had “weaponised” its electricity exports.


    Careful what you wish for, Emmanuel.

    I'm slightly embarrassed for you that you get taken in by this guff.
    One silly threat deserves another. Dont you think?
    I'm just surprised Johnson managed to get through the day without some reference to Agincourt. Johnson, Sturgeon and Macron are peas in a flag-waving populist pod.
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  • john80john80 Posts: 2,425
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    And here's a possible proportionately response to Macrons silly games:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/05/06/britain-threatens-cut-france-future-electricity-links/

    Quote:
    Britain is set to review its energy links with France after the country threatened to cut off Jersey’s power supply in a row over fishing rights.

    A senior Whitehall source described France’s actions as “outrageous” and said the UK would have to take a more cautious view of France as an energy partner.

    It is understood that Britain could seek to route future giant undersea power cable projects towards the Netherlands, which it now views as a more reliable partner than France. A source said France had “weaponised” its electricity exports.


    Careful what you wish for, Emmanuel.

    I'm slightly embarrassed for you that you get taken in by this guff.
    One silly threat deserves another. Dont you think?
    I'm just surprised Johnson managed to get through the day without some reference to Agincourt. Johnson, Sturgeon and Macron are peas in a flag-waving populist pod.
    I think that Boris and the UK government have been quite restrained in their utterances towards both the EU and France over the last two years. If we were to put an independent review on the utterances on both sides they would not be coming back with the onus on the UK.
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,810

    A lot of people still don’t get it that Brexit is a signpost in their quest to bring down the EU.

    Try seeing it through that lens and SteveO/DT make sense

    Totally. Anything that hastens the death of the EU is "good" for Britain in their eyes, whatever the collateral.
    And here's me giving the EU some sound advice to get Macron back in his box, which is overall in their best interests...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 17,783
    Stevo_666 said:

    A lot of people still don’t get it that Brexit is a signpost in their quest to bring down the EU.

    Try seeing it through that lens and SteveO/DT make sense

    Totally. Anything that hastens the death of the EU is "good" for Britain in their eyes, whatever the collateral.
    And here's me giving the EU some sound advice to get Macron back in his box, which is overall in their best interests...
    Would it have helped if they'd told Cameron to get back in his box?
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,810

    Stevo_666 said:

    A lot of people still don’t get it that Brexit is a signpost in their quest to bring down the EU.

    Try seeing it through that lens and SteveO/DT make sense

    Totally. Anything that hastens the death of the EU is "good" for Britain in their eyes, whatever the collateral.
    And here's me giving the EU some sound advice to get Macron back in his box, which is overall in their best interests...
    Would it have helped if they'd told Cameron to get back in his box?
    Not interested in whataboutery.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 17,783
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    A lot of people still don’t get it that Brexit is a signpost in their quest to bring down the EU.

    Try seeing it through that lens and SteveO/DT make sense

    Totally. Anything that hastens the death of the EU is "good" for Britain in their eyes, whatever the collateral.
    And here's me giving the EU some sound advice to get Macron back in his box, which is overall in their best interests...
    Would it have helped if they'd told Cameron to get back in his box?
    Not interested in whataboutery.
    Let me put it another way. Why would it help for the EU now to get more involved in national politics?
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,210
    It's weird that Stevo can be so in thrall to a UK populist but totally fail to see the exact same thing from another leader...
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,810
    ddraver said:

    It's weird that Stevo can be so in thrall to a UK populist but totally fail to see the exact same thing from another leader...

    He may be a populist but he's our populist. Obviously really, to all but the most blinkered Europhile.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
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