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  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 13,940
    Is anybody else seeing Northerner fishymen selling in the local market or even door to door?

    I assume it is in response to losing access to EU markets and hats off to them for their entrepreneurial zeal but I guess they would rather not be doing it.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 55,883 Lives Here

    Is anybody else seeing Northerner fishymen selling in the local market or even door to door?

    I assume it is in response to losing access to EU markets and hats off to them for their entrepreneurial zeal but I guess they would rather not be doing it.

    Literally had this yes.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 13,145

    Is anybody else seeing Northerner fishymen selling in the local market or even door to door?

    I assume it is in response to losing access to EU markets and hats off to them for their entrepreneurial zeal but I guess they would rather not be doing it.

    I thought exports had mostly recovered.

    image
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 13,940

    Is anybody else seeing Northerner fishymen selling in the local market or even door to door?

    I assume it is in response to losing access to EU markets and hats off to them for their entrepreneurial zeal but I guess they would rather not be doing it.

    I thought exports had mostly recovered.

    image
    If he ever comes back I will ask him
  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 16,475

    Every chance the NI Assembly could collapse this week

    So that's nice

    Assembly stays up
    DUP collapses
    Believe that a farther shore
    Is reachable from here.
    Believe in miracles
    And cures and healing wells
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 13,145

    Every chance the NI Assembly could collapse this week

    So that's nice

    Assembly stays up
    DUP collapses
    Good UK government?
  • morstarmorstar Posts: 4,449

    Every chance the NI Assembly could collapse this week

    So that's nice

    Assembly stays up
    DUP collapses
    Oh wow.
    It’s a poisoned Chalice.
    The people who vote for you demand a hard line be taken and the impossible promised.
    The moment you are faced with a need to compromise, you have let everybody down.

    And let’s face it, you can’t govern in NI without compromise.

    Arlene must be having a chuckle mind.
  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 16,475
    Poots resigns
    Believe that a farther shore
    Is reachable from here.
    Believe in miracles
    And cures and healing wells
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 16,668

    Poots resigns

    So are they saying he should have waited till the language law was imposed by London, and not had a first minister until then?
  • skyblueamateurskyblueamateur Posts: 616
    Scotland lasted in a major football tournament longer then Poots as leader of the DUP.
  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 6,116
    Way to go!

    British food and drink exports to EU fall by £2bn in first quarter of 2021

    Industry body says analysis of HMRC data shows structural rather than teething problems with Brexit

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/18/british-food-and-drink-exports-to-eu-fall-by-2bn-in-first-quarter-of-2021

    This, then the Australia deal, seem like a massive blow to farmers.
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  • skyblueamateurskyblueamateur Posts: 616
    elbowloh said:

    Way to go!

    British food and drink exports to EU fall by £2bn in first quarter of 2021

    Industry body says analysis of HMRC data shows structural rather than teething problems with Brexit

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/18/british-food-and-drink-exports-to-eu-fall-by-2bn-in-first-quarter-of-2021

    This, then the Australia deal, seem like a massive blow to farmers.
    TBF I've been eating a lot more British fish since Brexit. Possibly not as much as a whole continent but hey-ho, the farmers and fishermen should stop bloody moaning about it. Deal's done and the voice of the people has been heard. Get over it.
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 13,940
    sensible answers only please

    what did the UK farming industry think was going to be the likely outcome of Brexit?

    they come across as wanting tariff and non-tariff bariers on EU/non-EU foodstuffs whilst having no tariff or non-tariff barriers to EU/non-EU markets but surely they can not have thought that a realistic outcome?
  • skyblueamateurskyblueamateur Posts: 616

    sensible answers only please

    what did the UK farming industry think was going to be the likely outcome of Brexit?

    they come across as wanting tariff and non-tariff bariers on EU/non-EU foodstuffs whilst having no tariff or non-tariff barriers to EU/non-EU markets but surely they can not have thought that a realistic outcome?

    I think voting for Brexit was very much a heart over head vote and the consequences were there for all to see. Farming and fishing chose to ignore these and just wanted 'better'. They want tariffs and quotas on all imports but tariff free trade and no paperwork on their exports.
  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 6,116

    elbowloh said:

    Way to go!

    British food and drink exports to EU fall by £2bn in first quarter of 2021

    Industry body says analysis of HMRC data shows structural rather than teething problems with Brexit

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/18/british-food-and-drink-exports-to-eu-fall-by-2bn-in-first-quarter-of-2021

    This, then the Australia deal, seem like a massive blow to farmers.
    TBF I've been eating a lot more British fish since Brexit. Possibly not as much as a whole continent but hey-ho, the farmers and fishermen should stop bloody moaning about it. Deal's done and the voice of the people has been heard. Get over it.
    Would you get over it and be quiet if you lost your livelihood?
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  • skyblueamateurskyblueamateur Posts: 616
    elbowloh said:

    elbowloh said:

    Way to go!

    British food and drink exports to EU fall by £2bn in first quarter of 2021

    Industry body says analysis of HMRC data shows structural rather than teething problems with Brexit

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/18/british-food-and-drink-exports-to-eu-fall-by-2bn-in-first-quarter-of-2021

    This, then the Australia deal, seem like a massive blow to farmers.
    TBF I've been eating a lot more British fish since Brexit. Possibly not as much as a whole continent but hey-ho, the farmers and fishermen should stop bloody moaning about it. Deal's done and the voice of the people has been heard. Get over it.
    Would you get over it and be quiet if you lost your livelihood?
    I think the sarcasm may have been lost. Of course I wouldn't. I do genuinely feel for them. I find it utterly baffling that large sections of both industries voted for this though. Same with the DUP in NI.
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 13,940

    sensible answers only please

    what did the UK farming industry think was going to be the likely outcome of Brexit?

    they come across as wanting tariff and non-tariff bariers on EU/non-EU foodstuffs whilst having no tariff or non-tariff barriers to EU/non-EU markets but surely they can not have thought that a realistic outcome?

    I think voting for Brexit was very much a heart over head vote and the consequences were there for all to see. Farming and fishing chose to ignore these and just wanted 'better'. They want tariffs and quotas on all imports but tariff free trade and no paperwork on their exports.
    I get all the heart over head stuff and maybe there is not too much downside if you are in a role such as pubic sector. What I don't get is the apparently strong correlation between people who's livelihood depends upon access to the EU and their support for Brexit.

    The "purer" the Brexit the greater they would lose yet they cheered Boris on to ever levels of purity even to the point when he signed the deal.

    Is it possible that to this day Brexiteers from Boris down do not accept and/or understand the inherent trade off between sovereignty and market access?
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 13,940
    elbowloh said:

    elbowloh said:

    Way to go!

    British food and drink exports to EU fall by £2bn in first quarter of 2021

    Industry body says analysis of HMRC data shows structural rather than teething problems with Brexit

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/18/british-food-and-drink-exports-to-eu-fall-by-2bn-in-first-quarter-of-2021

    This, then the Australia deal, seem like a massive blow to farmers.
    TBF I've been eating a lot more British fish since Brexit. Possibly not as much as a whole continent but hey-ho, the farmers and fishermen should stop bloody moaning about it. Deal's done and the voice of the people has been heard. Get over it.
    Would you get over it and be quiet if you lost your livelihood?
    If I owned a pub and supported a referendum on the abolition of alcohol, I like to think that if successful I would accept the loss of my livelihood with good grace
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 13,145
    Looks like it has mostly recovered in both directions, but that makes for a less exciting story.

    image
  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 6,116

    elbowloh said:

    elbowloh said:

    Way to go!

    British food and drink exports to EU fall by £2bn in first quarter of 2021

    Industry body says analysis of HMRC data shows structural rather than teething problems with Brexit

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/18/british-food-and-drink-exports-to-eu-fall-by-2bn-in-first-quarter-of-2021

    This, then the Australia deal, seem like a massive blow to farmers.
    TBF I've been eating a lot more British fish since Brexit. Possibly not as much as a whole continent but hey-ho, the farmers and fishermen should stop bloody moaning about it. Deal's done and the voice of the people has been heard. Get over it.
    Would you get over it and be quiet if you lost your livelihood?
    If I owned a pub and supported a referendum on the abolition of alcohol, I like to think that if successful I would accept the loss of my livelihood with good grace
    But they were told that Brexit would be a land of opportunity.
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    Tall....
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  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 6,116

    elbowloh said:

    elbowloh said:

    Way to go!

    British food and drink exports to EU fall by £2bn in first quarter of 2021

    Industry body says analysis of HMRC data shows structural rather than teething problems with Brexit

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/18/british-food-and-drink-exports-to-eu-fall-by-2bn-in-first-quarter-of-2021

    This, then the Australia deal, seem like a massive blow to farmers.
    TBF I've been eating a lot more British fish since Brexit. Possibly not as much as a whole continent but hey-ho, the farmers and fishermen should stop bloody moaning about it. Deal's done and the voice of the people has been heard. Get over it.
    Would you get over it and be quiet if you lost your livelihood?
    I think the sarcasm may have been lost. Of course I wouldn't. I do genuinely feel for them. I find it utterly baffling that large sections of both industries voted for this though. Same with the DUP in NI.
    Apologies BSA
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 55,883 Lives Here
    edited 18 June

    Looks like it has mostly recovered in both directions, but that makes for a less exciting story.

    image

    I'd be more interested as a proportion of GDP and exports as that is rather meaningless on its own, and the timeline is only to 2018 and not to before the ref.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 13,145

    Looks like it has mostly recovered in both directions, but that makes for a less exciting story.

    image

    I'd be more interested as a proportion of GDP and exports as that is rather meaningless on its own, and the timeline is only to 2018 and not to before the ref.
    The data is all available, so you can do it. I just think a headline that looks at an average of three months, ignores the higher levels last year and ignores the recovery is quite poor. Consistent with Brexit reporting though.

  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 55,883 Lives Here

    Looks like it has mostly recovered in both directions, but that makes for a less exciting story.

    image

    I'd be more interested as a proportion of GDP and exports as that is rather meaningless on its own, and the timeline is only to 2018 and not to before the ref.
    The data is all available, so you can do it. I just think a headline that looks at an average of three months, ignores the higher levels last year and ignores the recovery is quite poor. Consistent with Brexit reporting though.

    So when the NFU are complaining they're in dire straights they're....making it up?
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 13,145

    Looks like it has mostly recovered in both directions, but that makes for a less exciting story.

    image

    I'd be more interested as a proportion of GDP and exports as that is rather meaningless on its own, and the timeline is only to 2018 and not to before the ref.
    The data is all available, so you can do it. I just think a headline that looks at an average of three months, ignores the higher levels last year and ignores the recovery is quite poor. Consistent with Brexit reporting though.

    So when the NFU are complaining they're in dire straights they're....making it up?
    No idea. I'm just presenting the data.
  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 6,116

    Looks like it has mostly recovered in both directions, but that makes for a less exciting story.

    image

    I'd be more interested as a proportion of GDP and exports as that is rather meaningless on its own, and the timeline is only to 2018 and not to before the ref.
    The data is all available, so you can do it. I just think a headline that looks at an average of three months, ignores the higher levels last year and ignores the recovery is quite poor. Consistent with Brexit reporting though.

    So when the NFU are complaining they're in dire straights they're....making it up?
    and the Food and Drink Federation.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 55,883 Lives Here

    Looks like it has mostly recovered in both directions, but that makes for a less exciting story.

    image

    I'd be more interested as a proportion of GDP and exports as that is rather meaningless on its own, and the timeline is only to 2018 and not to before the ref.
    The data is all available, so you can do it. I just think a headline that looks at an average of three months, ignores the higher levels last year and ignores the recovery is quite poor. Consistent with Brexit reporting though.

    So when the NFU are complaining they're in dire straights they're....making it up?
    No idea. I'm just presenting the data.
    You're not just presenting the data. You're also interpreting it, and saying that is has recovered and that's not being reported on - and the trade bodies are saying the opposite.

  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 6,116
    More on it here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57518910

    Cheese sales to the EU down 70%
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  • skyblueamateurskyblueamateur Posts: 616

    sensible answers only please

    what did the UK farming industry think was going to be the likely outcome of Brexit?

    they come across as wanting tariff and non-tariff bariers on EU/non-EU foodstuffs whilst having no tariff or non-tariff barriers to EU/non-EU markets but surely they can not have thought that a realistic outcome?

    I think voting for Brexit was very much a heart over head vote and the consequences were there for all to see. Farming and fishing chose to ignore these and just wanted 'better'. They want tariffs and quotas on all imports but tariff free trade and no paperwork on their exports.
    I get all the heart over head stuff and maybe there is not too much downside if you are in a role such as pubic sector. What I don't get is the apparently strong correlation between people who's livelihood depends upon access to the EU and their support for Brexit.

    The "purer" the Brexit the greater they would lose yet they cheered Boris on to ever levels of purity even to the point when he signed the deal.

    Is it possible that to this day Brexiteers from Boris down do not accept and/or understand the inherent trade off between sovereignty and market access?
    I think it's very much a case of they don't want to understand. We've left and they're still blaming the EU for everything. It's crazy.
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 13,940

    Looks like it has mostly recovered in both directions, but that makes for a less exciting story.

    image

    I'd be more interested as a proportion of GDP and exports as that is rather meaningless on its own, and the timeline is only to 2018 and not to before the ref.
    The data is all available, so you can do it. I just think a headline that looks at an average of three months, ignores the higher levels last year and ignores the recovery is quite poor. Consistent with Brexit reporting though.

    So when the NFU are complaining they're in dire straights they're....making it up?
    No idea. I'm just presenting the data.
    You're not just presenting the data. You're also interpreting it, and saying that is has recovered and that's not being reported on - and the trade bodies are saying the opposite.

    could it be that TBB's data is by month whereas the others are the aggregate for the quarter?
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