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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,168
    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    It's weird that Stevo can be so in thrall to a UK populist but totally fail to see the exact same thing from another leader...

    He may be a populist but he's our populist. Obviously really, to all but the most blinkered Europhile.
    More of an American immigrant, no?
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,016

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    A lot of people still don’t get it that Brexit is a signpost in their quest to bring down the EU.

    Try seeing it through that lens and SteveO/DT make sense

    Totally. Anything that hastens the death of the EU is "good" for Britain in their eyes, whatever the collateral.
    And here's me giving the EU some sound advice to get Macron back in his box, which is overall in their best interests...
    Would it have helped if they'd told Cameron to get back in his box?
    Not interested in whataboutery.
    Let me put it another way. Why would it help for the EU now to get more involved in national politics?
    I'm not too bothered really. However as the EU seems to be pretty keen on intruding into areas of national competence and Macron being an arch federalist and fan of the EU, you would think it might suit both parties.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 55,993 Lives Here


    Who knew Jersey was never part of the EU - not me
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,168



    Who knew Jersey was never part of the EU - not me
    It's the last remnant of the Angevin empire. Makes sense as it's not part of the UK nor France.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 55,993 Lives Here
    rjsterry said:



    Who knew Jersey was never part of the EU - not me
    It's the last remnant of the Angevin empire. Makes sense as it's not part of the UK nor France.
    Makes the dispute all the more confusing.

    The thread is fairly illuminating
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 22,671
    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    It's weird that Stevo can be so in thrall to a UK populist but totally fail to see the exact same thing from another leader...

    He may be a populist but he's our populist. Obviously really, to all but the most blinkered Europhile.
    Can you really not see that you, me or even the Daily Mail are the audience for what he's saying?
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,168

    rjsterry said:



    Who knew Jersey was never part of the EU - not me
    It's the last remnant of the Angevin empire. Makes sense as it's not part of the UK nor France.
    Makes the dispute all the more confusing.

    The thread is fairly illuminating
    Seems pretty simple, really. Jersey updates it's fishing license system, but botches the introduction. French fishermen signify their dismay in their preferred method. Politicians either side of the Channel see an opportunity to grab a headline.
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    Pinnacle Monzonite

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  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 13,977
    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:



    Who knew Jersey was never part of the EU - not me
    It's the last remnant of the Angevin empire. Makes sense as it's not part of the UK nor France.
    Makes the dispute all the more confusing.

    The thread is fairly illuminating
    Seems pretty simple, really. Jersey updates it's fishing license system, but botches the introduction. French fishermen signify their dismay in their preferred method. Politicians either side of the Channel see an opportunity to grab a headline.
    Surprised there is no mention of the fact the jersey boys sell all their fish in France and that is being blocked
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 22,671
    Hence why all the Jersey Fishermen were on the french side...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 55,993 Lives Here
    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:



    Who knew Jersey was never part of the EU - not me
    It's the last remnant of the Angevin empire. Makes sense as it's not part of the UK nor France.
    Makes the dispute all the more confusing.

    The thread is fairly illuminating
    Seems pretty simple, really. Jersey updates it's fishing license system, but botches the introduction. French fishermen signify their dismay in their preferred method. Politicians either side of the Channel see an opportunity to grab a headline.
    The thread makes out the UK gov't made them rescind the license as part of the Brexit negs - whether that is true or not I don't know.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,168

    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:



    Who knew Jersey was never part of the EU - not me
    It's the last remnant of the Angevin empire. Makes sense as it's not part of the UK nor France.
    Makes the dispute all the more confusing.

    The thread is fairly illuminating
    Seems pretty simple, really. Jersey updates it's fishing license system, but botches the introduction. French fishermen signify their dismay in their preferred method. Politicians either side of the Channel see an opportunity to grab a headline.
    The thread makes out the UK gov't made them rescind the license as part of the Brexit negs - whether that is true or not I don't know.
    I read it that that bit was somewhat fudged.
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,016
    Barrnier seems to be changing his tune on immigration a bit post Brexit:
    https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/france-suspend-immigration-ban-barnier-b1845533.html

    Interesting, coming from a man who was highly regarded by some on here.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ballysmateballysmate Posts: 15,625
    Priceless ain't it?
    No doubt Brexiteers, most notably Boris, will get the blame for poisoning his mind during negotiations.
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,016

    Priceless ain't it?
    No doubt Brexiteers, most notably Boris, will get the blame for poisoning his mind during negotiations.

    It wouldn't have happened if we hadn't voted for Brexit. Etc etc.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 16,755
    edited 12 May
    Do you think it sounds like a good idea? It sounds like the complete reverse of stated Brexit immigration logic to me, and still not in a good way.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 22,671

    Do you think it sounds like a good idea? It sounds like the complete reverse of stated Brexit immigration logic to me, and still not in a good way.

    What do you mean, soz?

    I haven't paid much attention to it but tweets I saw said he was talking about controlling immigration into Schengen..? Sounded like standard centre-right populist flirting to me.

    (I get the feeling Macron will be a hit on the after-dinner speaker circuit come the end next year)
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,016
    Do you not think it surprising that the man who negotiated on Brexit behalf of the EU should suddenly become rather anti-immigration?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 22,671
    immigration from where?
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • ballysmateballysmate Posts: 15,625
    Another link here.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/michel-barnier-french-borders-shut-pledge/

    “Barnier advocating complete cessation of immigration for 3-5 years + suspension of Schengen. Ironic, because if the EU had allowed much milder restrictions on free movement of people, Brexit would probably never have happened."

    Should go in the irony thread really.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 55,993 Lives Here
    It’s terrible isn’t it?

    Amazing how far we’ve come that that is not only politically acceptable but that it is a way to garner support for a centre right candidacy.

    Awful.
  • ballysmateballysmate Posts: 15,625
    Or whisper it quietly on here, is it a tacit acknowledgement that Nigel had a point.

    Nigel Farage, the Martin Peters of European politics. Ahead of his time. ;)
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,168
    Stevo_666 said:

    Do you not think it surprising that the man who negotiated on Brexit behalf of the EU should suddenly become rather anti-immigration?

    From outside the EU? No. That perk is for members only.
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  • ballysmateballysmate Posts: 15,625
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Do you not think it surprising that the man who negotiated on Brexit behalf of the EU should suddenly become rather anti-immigration?

    From outside the EU? No. That perk is for members only.
    But has ramifications for free movement never mind Schengen.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 55,993 Lives Here

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Do you not think it surprising that the man who negotiated on Brexit behalf of the EU should suddenly become rather anti-immigration?

    From outside the EU? No. That perk is for members only.
    But has ramifications for free movement never mind Schengen.
    Does it? That’s not my reading of it.
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 16,755
    ddraver said:

    Do you think it sounds like a good idea? It sounds like the complete reverse of stated Brexit immigration logic to me, and still not in a good way.

    What do you mean, soz?

    I haven't paid much attention to it but tweets I saw said he was talking about controlling immigration into Schengen..? Sounded like standard centre-right populist flirting to me.

    (I get the feeling Macron will be a hit on the after-dinner speaker circuit come the end next year)
    Stated immigration policy of Brexit was to reduce immigration from the EU, to allow a global policy, and potentially allow more immigration from outside the EU. Whether that was the position of the majority of those who voted for it, I don't know. Barnier now says immigration only from the EU.


  • ProssPross Posts: 28,322
    I can't recall anyone on here regarding Barnier highly. People did however point out he was negotiating for the EU so his actions had to be viewed with that in mind.
  • ballysmateballysmate Posts: 15,625
    In a later interview, Barnier added that France should kickstart talks with neighbors on the Schengen area and push for stricter controls on the EU’s external borders.

    France can cease all immigration from outside the EU, which it is quite entitled to do.
    If Germany, Belgium or whoever accept immigrants from outside, there is nothing to stop said immigrants travelling to France, rendering the French position nonsensical.
    Unless of course there are curbs on movement especially as one of the justifications he put forward was

    “There are links between [immigration flows] and terrorist networks which try to infiltrate them,”
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,016
    Pross said:

    I can't recall anyone on here regarding Barnier highly. People did however point out he was negotiating for the EU so his actions had to be viewed with that in mind.

    Quite a few people seemed to support his/the EU's position during the negotiations, so I can only imagine they thought he was very wise and competent given that he was negotiating for the other side.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,016
    edited 12 May
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Do you not think it surprising that the man who negotiated on Brexit behalf of the EU should suddenly become rather anti-immigration?

    From outside the EU? No. That perk is for members only.
    He is proposing stopping all non-EU immigration into France. Pretty sure anyone proposing the equivalent for the UK in recent years would have been labelled a racist.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 13,216

    In a later interview, Barnier added that France should kickstart talks with neighbors on the Schengen area and push for stricter controls on the EU’s external borders.

    France can cease all immigration from outside the EU, which it is quite entitled to do.
    If Germany, Belgium or whoever accept immigrants from outside, there is nothing to stop said immigrants travelling to France, rendering the French position nonsensical.
    Unless of course there are curbs on movement especially as one of the justifications he put forward was

    “There are links between [immigration flows] and terrorist networks which try to infiltrate them,”

    It stops them working and living in France. I should imagine not even Barnier is talking about banning non-EU tourism.
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