BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Exactly so. Though my point was less about the content itself rather than what the paper was excluding to make space for this 'important' news.kingstongraham said:
I can't read the article, but is it proposing naming roads after war heroes to prove something about how they aren't virtue signallers?briantrumpet said:Haha. The Telegraph really knows what to include... much more important than Brexit...
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In short...yeskingstongraham said:
I can't read the article, but is it proposing naming roads after war heroes to prove something about how they aren't virtue signallers?briantrumpet said:Haha. The Telegraph really knows what to include... much more important than Brexit...
They re trying to start a culture war by renaming streets named after slave traders after war heroes instead...I'm not sure if they know what a culture war is.
It's gonna be fun when they get round to Karamjeet Singh Judge vc. and Prakesh Singh Chib vc....We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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goes to show that tory nutters can be woke trendies toobriantrumpet said:Haha. The Telegraph really knows what to include... much more important than Brexit...
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'Only solution'
The firm, which sold £180,000 of cheese to the EU last year, found that every £25-30 gift box of cheese it sends to consumers on the Continent now needs a veterinary-approved health certificate costing £180.
"I spoke to someone at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs for advice. They told me setting up a fulfilment centre in the EU where we could pack the boxes was my only solution," co-founder Simon Spurrell told the BBC.
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This is just an invention. It barely registered as an issue at general elections until Cameron called the referendum.john80 said:
The UK electorate has consistently had issues with freedom of movement and the general direction of the EU for decades. The EU ignored these views and the UK government could not get anything meaningful agreed. Hence they have lost a net contributor and reduced their access to an important market. #winning or maybe be that should be #facepalm. If you asked Europeans if they are happy with the current position and if they could have done anything differently I would hazard a guess that those currently losing out would have something to say.surrey_commuter said:
Can you elaborate on your penultimate sentence as it makes no sense the way it is writtenjohn80 said:Post brexit if you don't have any presence in the market in which you sell them good luck to you. This is on both sides of the channel and was obvious to everyone that had a brain in 2016 as to get things the electorate wanted such as the end of freedom of movement we were erecting borders and therefore barriers to trade. Consider it karma to those that ignored the concerns of an electorate for decades without caring where it would lead. We are were we are and it was an inevitable journey in large part due to the EU institutions.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I see the Ulsterisation of UK politics has reached the street names stage.
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Correct, it cuts both ways.skyblueamateur said:
This will happen more and more but tbf the reverse will and is happening as well, and EU firms will setup small operations in the UK.rick_chasey said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/brexit-hit-firms-advised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu
Don’t think this is what you had in mind, John
Remarkable:Andrew Moss, who runs Horizon Retail Marketing Solutions, based in Ely, Cambridgeshire, which sells packaging and point-of-sale marketing displays in the UK and to EU customers, is registering a European company Horizon Europe in the Netherlands in the next few weeks, on the advice of a senior government adviser.
This will mean laying off a small number of staff here and taking on people in the Netherlands.
It does all seem very unnecessary but that's where we're at."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
And this is how we ended up with Brexit.rjsterry said:
This is just an invention. It barely registered as an issue at general elections until Cameron called the referendum.john80 said:
The UK electorate has consistently had issues with freedom of movement and the general direction of the EU for decades. The EU ignored these views and the UK government could not get anything meaningful agreed. Hence they have lost a net contributor and reduced their access to an important market. #winning or maybe be that should be #facepalm. If you asked Europeans if they are happy with the current position and if they could have done anything differently I would hazard a guess that those currently losing out would have something to say.surrey_commuter said:
Can you elaborate on your penultimate sentence as it makes no sense the way it is writtenjohn80 said:Post brexit if you don't have any presence in the market in which you sell them good luck to you. This is on both sides of the channel and was obvious to everyone that had a brain in 2016 as to get things the electorate wanted such as the end of freedom of movement we were erecting borders and therefore barriers to trade. Consider it karma to those that ignored the concerns of an electorate for decades without caring where it would lead. We are were we are and it was an inevitable journey in large part due to the EU institutions.
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And every consumer pays slightly more. Perfecto!0
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I think you said you run a small engineering firm. Out of interest, when you have advertised for staff over the past 20 years, how often have EU27 citizens applied?john80 said:
And this is how we ended up with Brexit.rjsterry said:
This is just an invention. It barely registered as an issue at general elections until Cameron called the referendum.john80 said:
The UK electorate has consistently had issues with freedom of movement and the general direction of the EU for decades. The EU ignored these views and the UK government could not get anything meaningful agreed. Hence they have lost a net contributor and reduced their access to an important market. #winning or maybe be that should be #facepalm. If you asked Europeans if they are happy with the current position and if they could have done anything differently I would hazard a guess that those currently losing out would have something to say.surrey_commuter said:
Can you elaborate on your penultimate sentence as it makes no sense the way it is writtenjohn80 said:Post brexit if you don't have any presence in the market in which you sell them good luck to you. This is on both sides of the channel and was obvious to everyone that had a brain in 2016 as to get things the electorate wanted such as the end of freedom of movement we were erecting borders and therefore barriers to trade. Consider it karma to those that ignored the concerns of an electorate for decades without caring where it would lead. We are were we are and it was an inevitable journey in large part due to the EU institutions.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Because one side linked the top 5 issues to membership of the EU and...john80 said:
And this is how we ended up with Brexit.rjsterry said:
This is just an invention. It barely registered as an issue at general elections until Cameron called the referendum.john80 said:
The UK electorate has consistently had issues with freedom of movement and the general direction of the EU for decades. The EU ignored these views and the UK government could not get anything meaningful agreed. Hence they have lost a net contributor and reduced their access to an important market. #winning or maybe be that should be #facepalm. If you asked Europeans if they are happy with the current position and if they could have done anything differently I would hazard a guess that those currently losing out would have something to say.surrey_commuter said:
Can you elaborate on your penultimate sentence as it makes no sense the way it is writtenjohn80 said:Post brexit if you don't have any presence in the market in which you sell them good luck to you. This is on both sides of the channel and was obvious to everyone that had a brain in 2016 as to get things the electorate wanted such as the end of freedom of movement we were erecting borders and therefore barriers to trade. Consider it karma to those that ignored the concerns of an electorate for decades without caring where it would lead. We are were we are and it was an inevitable journey in large part due to the EU institutions.
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I think stressing about access to a favourite lycra brand or an obscure cheese is very definitely a first world problem. in Britains case these may be the temporary issues created by democratic Brexit.surrey_commuter said:
You should look up what that saying means and then look up Ghana.david37 said:lots of first world problems being whined about here
I suppose democracy is something you would like to suspend when it suits.
Or take my word for it that it means the very opposite of what you think
I dont know much about Ghana other than these two things.
1 There is widespread and extreme poverty by western standards, I doubt they blow 5-10k on a bike and hundreds more on the right shoes to make them look pro.
2 the gentlemen there are endowed in a lonley spinster pleasing sort of way and are not opposed to marriage proposals from old ladies (or gents) in possession of a first world passport.
They may have some gold too.
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Let us know how many months we need to wait before pointing out it's not temporary.0
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"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
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Anyway, my opinion on this hasn't changed - we'll be alright. Would have been substantially better if we'd stayed in, for economic and non-economic reasons. Things will settle down into a position with us being worse off as a country every year than we could have been because things are more difficult/more expensive, and that will add up to a huge number that nobody will notice.2
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kingstongraham said:
Anyway, my opinion on this hasn't changed - we'll be alright. Would have been substantially better if we'd stayed in, for economic and non-economic reasons. Things will settle down into a position with us being worse off as a country every year than we could have been because things are more difficult/more expensive, and that will add up to a huge number that nobody will notice.
And the worse off who voted for Brexit will be even more worse off.1 -
Ghana didn't agree to roll over the trade agreement it has with the EU and therefore has tariffs added to bananas. Requesting a roll over by the UK was, apparently, unreasonable and arrogant in the time available. Instead the UK should have just agreed to not add tariffs to banana and pineapples on a temporary basis with nothing in return.
Ghana is part of a multi country custom union which makes agreeing a trade deal more challenging.0 -
It's across lots of sectors and it's not just us in the UK not being able to buy what we like, but rather UK business no longer being able to sell their products.david37 said:
I think stressing about access to a favourite lycra brand or an obscure cheese is very definitely a first world problem. in Britains case these may be the temporary issues created by democratic Brexit.surrey_commuter said:
You should look up what that saying means and then look up Ghana.david37 said:lots of first world problems being whined about here
I suppose democracy is something you would like to suspend when it suits.
Or take my word for it that it means the very opposite of what you think
I dont know much about Ghana other than these two things.
1 There is widespread and extreme poverty by western standards, I doubt they blow 5-10k on a bike and hundreds more on the right shoes to make them look pro.
2 the gentlemen there are endowed in a lonley spinster pleasing sort of way and are not opposed to marriage proposals from old ladies (or gents) in possession of a first world passport.
They may have some gold too.0 -
Lads. The U.K. is a first world country so criticising people for having “first world problems” isn’t the own you think it is.1
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+1, +1briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:Anyway, my opinion on this hasn't changed - we'll be alright. Would have been substantially better if we'd stayed in, for economic and non-economic reasons. Things will settle down into a position with us being worse off as a country every year than we could have been because things are more difficult/more expensive, and that will add up to a huge number that nobody will notice.
And the worse off who voted for Brexit will be even more worse off.
As previously mentioned there was a strong correlation between being dependent upon the State and voting Brexit.0 -
making false statements again, classic brexiterdavid37 said:
I think stressing about access to a favourite lycra brand or an obscure cheese is very definitely a first world problem. in Britains case these may be the temporary issues created by democratic Brexit.surrey_commuter said:
You should look up what that saying means and then look up Ghana.david37 said:lots of first world problems being whined about here
I suppose democracy is something you would like to suspend when it suits.
Or take my word for it that it means the very opposite of what you think
I dont know much about Ghana other than these two things.
1 There is widespread and extreme poverty by western standards, I doubt they blow 5-10k on a bike and hundreds more on the right shoes to make them look pro.
2 the gentlemen there are endowed in a lonley spinster pleasing sort of way and are not opposed to marriage proposals from old ladies (or gents) in possession of a first world passport.
They may have some gold too.my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
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+1, +1briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:Anyway, my opinion on this hasn't changed - we'll be alright. Would have been substantially better if we'd stayed in, for economic and non-economic reasons. Things will settle down into a position with us being worse off as a country every year than we could have been because things are more difficult/more expensive, and that will add up to a huge number that nobody will notice.
And the worse off who voted for Brexit will be even more worse off.
As previously mentioned there was a strong correlation between being dependent upon the State and voting Brexit.my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-55788542
near his home in the bahamas, clearly not so keen on the uk, the country he did so much to damagemy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
So he was living in the Bahamas, Carswell has moved to the US. Farage got German passports for his kids. Dyson moved his business to Singapore, Ineos has selected Germany for its car plant...
It's fucking unbelievable to be honest.0 -
I was in Mannheim, Germany, for one day about 20 years ago, and I noticed that one part of the town has streets simply called A4, B2, C7, etc, and another part of the town has streets with names which translate as Little Beginning, Good Improvement, Fresh Courage, Great Stamina, etc.sungod said:
goes to show that tory nutters can be woke trendies toobriantrumpet said:Haha. The Telegraph really knows what to include... much more important than Brexit...
I've no idea why the streets A4, B2, etc were never given normal street names, but I suspect the latter streets were built for German refugees from parts of eastern Europe which Germany lost after WW2 like Silesia (now SW Poland), trying to give the refugees strength and optimism about their new situation.
So not dissimilar to the Birmingham idea, even if I think both ideas probably fruitless (although maybe the Mannheim street names might be useful to councils in Brexit-voting areas).0 -
Look at the definition on Wikipedia and expand your mind.rick_chasey said:Lads. The U.K. is a first world country so criticising people for having “first world problems” isn’t the own you think it is.
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Just stealing ideas from Weatherspoons now. They know their electorate.kingstongraham said:
I can't read the article, but is it proposing naming roads after war heroes to prove something about how they aren't virtue signallers?briantrumpet said:Haha. The Telegraph really knows what to include... much more important than Brexit...
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From the Times,
MasterCard have announced that they are increasing the fee it charges UK customers buying goods from the EU from 0.3% to 1.5%.0 -
Boosting company profits.elbowloh said:From the Times,
MasterCard have announced that they are increasing the fee it charges UK customers buying goods from the EU from 0.3% to 1.5%.
#winningThe above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
elbowloh said:
From the Times,
MasterCard have announced that they are increasing the fee it charges UK customers buying goods from the EU from 0.3% to 1.5%.
What's the rationale? Have their costs increased, or is it opportunism?0
