BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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I guess that 80 seat majority isn't all it was cracked up to be.tailwindhome said:The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Logistics not your strong point? You should read up about the retail industry, I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.ballysmate said:
They have electricity and indoor plumbing too.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.0 -
And yet, according to a forumite from NI, Sainsbury, Asda, Tesco and Lidl manage it.surrey_commuter said:
Logistics not your strong point? You should read up about the retail industry, I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.ballysmate said:
They have electricity and indoor plumbing too.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
Perhaps they didn't read the same books as you.
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There's a real danger this will be ignored by the EU who won't appreciate the internal politics. Does it mean that you have had to add to your criticisms of the EU, or not yet?tailwindhome said:
Not often, no.TheBigBean said:
I was reading about this earlier. Do they often agree on anything?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Agreeing on this takes a bit of political 'needle threading'
It's difficult politically for both
DUP need the Protocol implemented painlessly without accepting it's existence
SF can't accept the land border alternative to the Protocol but don't want associated with its painful implementation.
Worth noting it's the DUP who hold the Environment portfolio and are responsible for implementing the border inspection posts.0 -
You do know the UK Gov have been acting the silly bollix over the Joint Committee that was supposed to sort this stuff out?TheBigBean said:
There's a real danger this will be ignored by the EU who won't appreciate the internal politics. Does it mean that you have had to add to your criticisms of the EU, or not yet?tailwindhome said:
Not often, no.TheBigBean said:
I was reading about this earlier. Do they often agree on anything?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Agreeing on this takes a bit of political 'needle threading'
It's difficult politically for both
DUP need the Protocol implemented painlessly without accepting it's existence
SF can't accept the land border alternative to the Protocol but don't want associated with its painful implementation.
Worth noting it's the DUP who hold the Environment portfolio and are responsible for implementing the border inspection posts.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
ballysmate said:
And yet, according to a forumite from NI, Sainsbury, Asda, Tesco and Lidl manage it.surrey_commuter said:
Logistics not your strong point? You should read up about the retail industry, I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.ballysmate said:
They have electricity and indoor plumbing too.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
Perhaps they didn't read the same books as you.ballysmate said:
And yet, according to a forumite from NI, Sainsbury, Asda, Tesco and Lidl manage it.surrey_commuter said:
Logistics not your strong point? You should read up about the retail industry, I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.ballysmate said:
They have electricity and indoor plumbing too.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
Perhaps they didn't read the same books as you.
What do the notable absentees tell you?ballysmate said:
And yet, according to a forumite from NI, Sainsbury, Asda, Tesco and Lidl manage it.surrey_commuter said:
Logistics not your strong point? You should read up about the retail industry, I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.ballysmate said:
They have electricity and indoor plumbing too.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
Perhaps they didn't read the same books as you.
Retail is more than food and the landscape is changing, if you don’t believe me then Google is your friend.
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You do like to make your points in as opaque a way as possible.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
https://nation.cymru/news/trucks-to-wales-from-ireland-will-have-to-drive-to-england-for-check-in-after-brexit-transition/?fbclid=IwAR2Pj3FiqwkQj0hM1wY3IVjesMHExGFZPvwbB8930jMp9_AOXrBEmcm8qnUTrucks travelling to destinations in Wales from Ireland will need to drive all the way to England for post-Brexit checks before travelling back to Wales, sources have told the Daily Post.
Checks will need to be carried out on traffic coming through Holyhead from the Republic of Ireland after the end of the Brexit transition period.
No facility has been built on Anglesey to deal with the lorries and may not be ready for two years, so the lorries will be directed to interim sites in Birmingham and Warrington.
The Warrington site is understood to be a depot at Appleton Thorn, while the Birmingham site will be near Solihull, an hour and 48 minutes and three hours and a half from Holyhead respectively.0 -
For all your reading, and Googling, you are still "genuinely" surprised that ASDA can make money. You seem to need to read better books.surrey_commuter said:ballysmate said:
And yet, according to a forumite from NI, Sainsbury, Asda, Tesco and Lidl manage it.surrey_commuter said:
Logistics not your strong point? You should read up about the retail industry, I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.ballysmate said:
They have electricity and indoor plumbing too.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
Perhaps they didn't read the same books as you.ballysmate said:
And yet, according to a forumite from NI, Sainsbury, Asda, Tesco and Lidl manage it.surrey_commuter said:
Logistics not your strong point? You should read up about the retail industry, I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.ballysmate said:
They have electricity and indoor plumbing too.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
Perhaps they didn't read the same books as you.
What do the notable absentees tell you?ballysmate said:
And yet, according to a forumite from NI, Sainsbury, Asda, Tesco and Lidl manage it.surrey_commuter said:
Logistics not your strong point? You should read up about the retail industry, I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.ballysmate said:
They have electricity and indoor plumbing too.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
Perhaps they didn't read the same books as you.
Retail is more than food and the landscape is changing, if you don’t believe me then Google is your friend.
Of course retail landscape is changing. Not just in NI but throughout the UK.
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I know the joint committee hasn't sorted it out. I wasn't aware this was entirely the UK's fault. In this particular case, a letter has been written to the EU.tailwindhome said:
You do know the UK Gov have been acting the silly bollix over the Joint Committee that was supposed to sort this stuff out?TheBigBean said:
There's a real danger this will be ignored by the EU who won't appreciate the internal politics. Does it mean that you have had to add to your criticisms of the EU, or not yet?tailwindhome said:
Not often, no.TheBigBean said:
I was reading about this earlier. Do they often agree on anything?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Agreeing on this takes a bit of political 'needle threading'
It's difficult politically for both
DUP need the Protocol implemented painlessly without accepting it's existence
SF can't accept the land border alternative to the Protocol but don't want associated with its painful implementation.
Worth noting it's the DUP who hold the Environment portfolio and are responsible for implementing the border inspection posts.0 -
Indeed.TheBigBean said:
I know the joint committee hasn't sorted it out. I wasn't aware this was entirely the UK's fault. In this particular case, a letter has been written to the EU.tailwindhome said:
You do know the UK Gov have been acting the silly bollix over the Joint Committee that was supposed to sort this stuff out?TheBigBean said:
There's a real danger this will be ignored by the EU who won't appreciate the internal politics. Does it mean that you have had to add to your criticisms of the EU, or not yet?tailwindhome said:
Not often, no.TheBigBean said:
I was reading about this earlier. Do they often agree on anything?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Agreeing on this takes a bit of political 'needle threading'
It's difficult politically for both
DUP need the Protocol implemented painlessly without accepting it's existence
SF can't accept the land border alternative to the Protocol but don't want associated with its painful implementation.
Worth noting it's the DUP who hold the Environment portfolio and are responsible for implementing the border inspection posts.
Extraordinary that the leaders of a devolved administration have to bypass the UK Gov. to speak directly to the EU, but here we are.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.rjsterry said:You do like to make your points in as opaque a way as possible.
That does not count as opaque in my world but to spell it out food retail does not yet fall under Boris’s command lead economy socialist utopia and I would not be surprised if more of them pulled the plug than otherwise would.
The absence of other big players suggests the margins are smaller than in the more populated parts of GB0 -
That is true and obvious throughout the UK. What point are you trying to make?surrey_commuter said:
The absence of other big players suggests the margins are smaller than in the more populated parts of GB
Remoteness reduces margins? Incoming news, the Titanic has sunk.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Which big players are absent? I did have a quick look and nothing jumped out.surrey_commuter said:
Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.rjsterry said:You do like to make your points in as opaque a way as possible.
That does not count as opaque in my world but to spell it out food retail does not yet fall under Boris’s command lead economy socialist utopia and I would not be surprised if more of them pulled the plug than otherwise would.
The absence of other big players suggests the margins are smaller than in the more populated parts of GB1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
The individual words make sense but they in no way could be construed as a reply to my last comment.ballysmate said:
For all your reading, and Googling, you are still "genuinely" surprised that ASDA can make money. You seem to need to read better books.surrey_commuter said:ballysmate said:
And yet, according to a forumite from NI, Sainsbury, Asda, Tesco and Lidl manage it.surrey_commuter said:
Logistics not your strong point? You should read up about the retail industry, I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.ballysmate said:
They have electricity and indoor plumbing too.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
Perhaps they didn't read the same books as you.ballysmate said:
And yet, according to a forumite from NI, Sainsbury, Asda, Tesco and Lidl manage it.surrey_commuter said:
Logistics not your strong point? You should read up about the retail industry, I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.ballysmate said:
They have electricity and indoor plumbing too.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
Perhaps they didn't read the same books as you.
What do the notable absentees tell you?ballysmate said:
And yet, according to a forumite from NI, Sainsbury, Asda, Tesco and Lidl manage it.surrey_commuter said:
Logistics not your strong point? You should read up about the retail industry, I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.ballysmate said:
They have electricity and indoor plumbing too.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
Perhaps they didn't read the same books as you.
Retail is more than food and the landscape is changing, if you don’t believe me then Google is your friend.
Of course retail landscape is changing. Not just in NI but throughout the UK.
I don’t have the time to look up the margins ASDA makes on it’s NI operations so please do share. If we stick with them as an example then they have no operations in the Republic to lean upon and are subject to a windy takeover bid which will have the accountants poring over every aspect of the business.0 -
That's a weird line of attack. If the UK was able to entirely represent NI there wouldn't be any need for the NI protocol.tailwindhome said:
Indeed.TheBigBean said:
I know the joint committee hasn't sorted it out. I wasn't aware this was entirely the UK's fault. In this particular case, a letter has been written to the EU.tailwindhome said:
You do know the UK Gov have been acting the silly bollix over the Joint Committee that was supposed to sort this stuff out?TheBigBean said:
There's a real danger this will be ignored by the EU who won't appreciate the internal politics. Does it mean that you have had to add to your criticisms of the EU, or not yet?tailwindhome said:
Not often, no.TheBigBean said:
I was reading about this earlier. Do they often agree on anything?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Agreeing on this takes a bit of political 'needle threading'
It's difficult politically for both
DUP need the Protocol implemented painlessly without accepting it's existence
SF can't accept the land border alternative to the Protocol but don't want associated with its painful implementation.
Worth noting it's the DUP who hold the Environment portfolio and are responsible for implementing the border inspection posts.
Extraordinary that the leaders of a devolved administration have to bypass the UK Gov. to speak directly to the EU, but here we are.
You can think Brexit is a terrible idea whilst also accepting it is possible that the EU has done something, even just a tiny thing, wrong.0 -
I have no idea what they are either and no interest in looking them up.
You were surprised that they were viable over there so it appears you are not the logistics expert you thought you were.
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Oh come on BB, be realistic.TheBigBean said:
That's a weird line of attack. If the UK was able to entirely represent NI there wouldn't be any need for the NI protocol.tailwindhome said:
Indeed.TheBigBean said:
I know the joint committee hasn't sorted it out. I wasn't aware this was entirely the UK's fault. In this particular case, a letter has been written to the EU.tailwindhome said:
You do know the UK Gov have been acting the silly bollix over the Joint Committee that was supposed to sort this stuff out?TheBigBean said:
There's a real danger this will be ignored by the EU who won't appreciate the internal politics. Does it mean that you have had to add to your criticisms of the EU, or not yet?tailwindhome said:
Not often, no.TheBigBean said:
I was reading about this earlier. Do they often agree on anything?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Agreeing on this takes a bit of political 'needle threading'
It's difficult politically for both
DUP need the Protocol implemented painlessly without accepting it's existence
SF can't accept the land border alternative to the Protocol but don't want associated with its painful implementation.
Worth noting it's the DUP who hold the Environment portfolio and are responsible for implementing the border inspection posts.
Extraordinary that the leaders of a devolved administration have to bypass the UK Gov. to speak directly to the EU, but here we are.
You can think Brexit is a terrible idea whilst also accepting it is possible that the EU has done something, even just a tiny thing, wrong."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I think you miss the angle this is coming from.TheBigBean said:
That's a weird line of attack. If the UK was able to entirely represent NI there wouldn't be any need for the NI protocol.tailwindhome said:
Indeed.TheBigBean said:
I know the joint committee hasn't sorted it out. I wasn't aware this was entirely the UK's fault. In this particular case, a letter has been written to the EU.tailwindhome said:
You do know the UK Gov have been acting the silly bollix over the Joint Committee that was supposed to sort this stuff out?TheBigBean said:
There's a real danger this will be ignored by the EU who won't appreciate the internal politics. Does it mean that you have had to add to your criticisms of the EU, or not yet?tailwindhome said:
Not often, no.TheBigBean said:
I was reading about this earlier. Do they often agree on anything?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Agreeing on this takes a bit of political 'needle threading'
It's difficult politically for both
DUP need the Protocol implemented painlessly without accepting it's existence
SF can't accept the land border alternative to the Protocol but don't want associated with its painful implementation.
Worth noting it's the DUP who hold the Environment portfolio and are responsible for implementing the border inspection posts.
Extraordinary that the leaders of a devolved administration have to bypass the UK Gov. to speak directly to the EU, but here we are.
You can think Brexit is a terrible idea whilst also accepting it is possible that the EU has done something, even just a tiny thing, wrong.
You are coming at this as a "EU can be and often is as bad as the UK in the negs" angle, right?
People who hate brexit hate it partly because it was so obvious that the negotiations would not go smoothly. It's not so much the EU can't do wrong, more, what do you expect, the EU to be really reasonable here? Of course they're going to do things wrong - that's why the whole thing is stupid. You are in fantasy land to think that it will land close to a hyper rational agreement.
The "EU must punish leavers to avoid further leavers" is a reasonable geopolitical position to take, whether you disagree with it or not. They are smart enough to know that position comes with a price tag
If I'm honest I am surprised by how much the EU has conceded thus far and that they haven't gone further down the punishment route, which I think is broadly testament to their level headedness - not something that you could reasonably argue the UK has shown.0 -
TL;DR all EU obstiance shows to remainers is that it was mad to dream Brexit wouldn't destroy value all over the place.
To Brexiters it shows the EU was worth leaving - this misses the fact it treats its members differently to those outside the union. Better in the tent pissing out etc.0 -
I think that they are playing the long game and know that to erode the economic crown jewels will take time but they seem to be putting the building blocks in place with cars and FS.rick_chasey said:
I think you miss the angle this is coming from.TheBigBean said:
That's a weird line of attack. If the UK was able to entirely represent NI there wouldn't be any need for the NI protocol.tailwindhome said:
Indeed.TheBigBean said:
I know the joint committee hasn't sorted it out. I wasn't aware this was entirely the UK's fault. In this particular case, a letter has been written to the EU.tailwindhome said:
You do know the UK Gov have been acting the silly bollix over the Joint Committee that was supposed to sort this stuff out?TheBigBean said:
There's a real danger this will be ignored by the EU who won't appreciate the internal politics. Does it mean that you have had to add to your criticisms of the EU, or not yet?tailwindhome said:
Not often, no.TheBigBean said:
I was reading about this earlier. Do they often agree on anything?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Agreeing on this takes a bit of political 'needle threading'
It's difficult politically for both
DUP need the Protocol implemented painlessly without accepting it's existence
SF can't accept the land border alternative to the Protocol but don't want associated with its painful implementation.
Worth noting it's the DUP who hold the Environment portfolio and are responsible for implementing the border inspection posts.
Extraordinary that the leaders of a devolved administration have to bypass the UK Gov. to speak directly to the EU, but here we are.
You can think Brexit is a terrible idea whilst also accepting it is possible that the EU has done something, even just a tiny thing, wrong.
You are coming at this as a "EU can be and often is as bad as the UK in the negs" angle, right?
People who hate brexit hate it partly because it was so obvious that the negotiations would not go smoothly. It's not so much the EU can't do wrong, more, what do you expect, the EU to be really reasonable here? Of course they're going to do things wrong - that's why the whole thing is stupid. You are in fantasy land to think that it will land close to a hyper rational agreement.
The "EU must punish leavers to avoid further leavers" is a reasonable geopolitical position to take, whether you disagree with it or not. They are smart enough to know that position comes with a price tag
If I'm honest I am surprised by how much the EU has conceded thus far and that they haven't gone further down the punishment route, which I think is broadly testament to their level headedness - not something that you could reasonably argue the UK has shown.0 -
Yes.surrey_commuter said:
I think that they are playing the long game and know that to erode the economic crown jewels will take time but they seem to be putting the building blocks in place with cars and FS.rick_chasey said:
I think you miss the angle this is coming from.TheBigBean said:
That's a weird line of attack. If the UK was able to entirely represent NI there wouldn't be any need for the NI protocol.tailwindhome said:
Indeed.TheBigBean said:
I know the joint committee hasn't sorted it out. I wasn't aware this was entirely the UK's fault. In this particular case, a letter has been written to the EU.tailwindhome said:
You do know the UK Gov have been acting the silly bollix over the Joint Committee that was supposed to sort this stuff out?TheBigBean said:
There's a real danger this will be ignored by the EU who won't appreciate the internal politics. Does it mean that you have had to add to your criticisms of the EU, or not yet?tailwindhome said:
Not often, no.TheBigBean said:
I was reading about this earlier. Do they often agree on anything?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Agreeing on this takes a bit of political 'needle threading'
It's difficult politically for both
DUP need the Protocol implemented painlessly without accepting it's existence
SF can't accept the land border alternative to the Protocol but don't want associated with its painful implementation.
Worth noting it's the DUP who hold the Environment portfolio and are responsible for implementing the border inspection posts.
Extraordinary that the leaders of a devolved administration have to bypass the UK Gov. to speak directly to the EU, but here we are.
You can think Brexit is a terrible idea whilst also accepting it is possible that the EU has done something, even just a tiny thing, wrong.
You are coming at this as a "EU can be and often is as bad as the UK in the negs" angle, right?
People who hate brexit hate it partly because it was so obvious that the negotiations would not go smoothly. It's not so much the EU can't do wrong, more, what do you expect, the EU to be really reasonable here? Of course they're going to do things wrong - that's why the whole thing is stupid. You are in fantasy land to think that it will land close to a hyper rational agreement.
The "EU must punish leavers to avoid further leavers" is a reasonable geopolitical position to take, whether you disagree with it or not. They are smart enough to know that position comes with a price tag
If I'm honest I am surprised by how much the EU has conceded thus far and that they haven't gone further down the punishment route, which I think is broadly testament to their level headedness - not something that you could reasonably argue the UK has shown.
UK has not helped by showing how deeply destructive the process is - pre corona it extinguished any fantasy of leaving in the other large nations (though rona north-south divide over the response is giving that flicker some kindling)0 -
This is about implementing the withdrawal agreement. The EU can act in bad faith, but it will be a breach of the agreement. Alternatively, NI will vote out of the protocol in four years.rick_chasey said:
I think you miss the angle this is coming from.TheBigBean said:
That's a weird line of attack. If the UK was able to entirely represent NI there wouldn't be any need for the NI protocol.tailwindhome said:
Indeed.TheBigBean said:
I know the joint committee hasn't sorted it out. I wasn't aware this was entirely the UK's fault. In this particular case, a letter has been written to the EU.tailwindhome said:
You do know the UK Gov have been acting the silly bollix over the Joint Committee that was supposed to sort this stuff out?TheBigBean said:
There's a real danger this will be ignored by the EU who won't appreciate the internal politics. Does it mean that you have had to add to your criticisms of the EU, or not yet?tailwindhome said:
Not often, no.TheBigBean said:
I was reading about this earlier. Do they often agree on anything?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Agreeing on this takes a bit of political 'needle threading'
It's difficult politically for both
DUP need the Protocol implemented painlessly without accepting it's existence
SF can't accept the land border alternative to the Protocol but don't want associated with its painful implementation.
Worth noting it's the DUP who hold the Environment portfolio and are responsible for implementing the border inspection posts.
Extraordinary that the leaders of a devolved administration have to bypass the UK Gov. to speak directly to the EU, but here we are.
You can think Brexit is a terrible idea whilst also accepting it is possible that the EU has done something, even just a tiny thing, wrong.
You are coming at this as a "EU can be and often is as bad as the UK in the negs" angle, right?
People who hate brexit hate it partly because it was so obvious that the negotiations would not go smoothly. It's not so much the EU can't do wrong, more, what do you expect, the EU to be really reasonable here? Of course they're going to do things wrong - that's why the whole thing is stupid. You are in fantasy land to think that it will land close to a hyper rational agreement.
The "EU must punish leavers to avoid further leavers" is a reasonable geopolitical position to take, whether you disagree with it or not. They are smart enough to know that position comes with a price tag
If I'm honest I am surprised by how much the EU has conceded thus far and that they haven't gone further down the punishment route, which I think is broadly testament to their level headedness - not something that you could reasonably argue the UK has shown.0 -
I find it almost endearing you're pushing that line and yet are so chill about the internal market billTheBigBean said:
This is about implementing the withdrawal agreement. The EU can act in bad faith, but it will be a breach of the agreement. Alternatively, NI will vote out of the protocol in four years.rick_chasey said:
I think you miss the angle this is coming from.TheBigBean said:
That's a weird line of attack. If the UK was able to entirely represent NI there wouldn't be any need for the NI protocol.tailwindhome said:
Indeed.TheBigBean said:
I know the joint committee hasn't sorted it out. I wasn't aware this was entirely the UK's fault. In this particular case, a letter has been written to the EU.tailwindhome said:
You do know the UK Gov have been acting the silly bollix over the Joint Committee that was supposed to sort this stuff out?TheBigBean said:
There's a real danger this will be ignored by the EU who won't appreciate the internal politics. Does it mean that you have had to add to your criticisms of the EU, or not yet?tailwindhome said:
Not often, no.TheBigBean said:
I was reading about this earlier. Do they often agree on anything?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Agreeing on this takes a bit of political 'needle threading'
It's difficult politically for both
DUP need the Protocol implemented painlessly without accepting it's existence
SF can't accept the land border alternative to the Protocol but don't want associated with its painful implementation.
Worth noting it's the DUP who hold the Environment portfolio and are responsible for implementing the border inspection posts.
Extraordinary that the leaders of a devolved administration have to bypass the UK Gov. to speak directly to the EU, but here we are.
You can think Brexit is a terrible idea whilst also accepting it is possible that the EU has done something, even just a tiny thing, wrong.
You are coming at this as a "EU can be and often is as bad as the UK in the negs" angle, right?
People who hate brexit hate it partly because it was so obvious that the negotiations would not go smoothly. It's not so much the EU can't do wrong, more, what do you expect, the EU to be really reasonable here? Of course they're going to do things wrong - that's why the whole thing is stupid. You are in fantasy land to think that it will land close to a hyper rational agreement.
The "EU must punish leavers to avoid further leavers" is a reasonable geopolitical position to take, whether you disagree with it or not. They are smart enough to know that position comes with a price tag
If I'm honest I am surprised by how much the EU has conceded thus far and that they haven't gone further down the punishment route, which I think is broadly testament to their level headedness - not something that you could reasonably argue the UK has shown.0 -
You're getting your arguments mixed up. Your argument was that complaining about the EU acting in bad faith misses the point that it was always going to act in bad faith. My argument is that acting with bad faith under the withdrawal agreement isn't quite as straightforward.rick_chasey said:
I find it almost endearing you're pushing that line and yet are so chill about the internal market billTheBigBean said:
This is about implementing the withdrawal agreement. The EU can act in bad faith, but it will be a breach of the agreement. Alternatively, NI will vote out of the protocol in four years.rick_chasey said:
I think you miss the angle this is coming from.TheBigBean said:
That's a weird line of attack. If the UK was able to entirely represent NI there wouldn't be any need for the NI protocol.tailwindhome said:
Indeed.TheBigBean said:
I know the joint committee hasn't sorted it out. I wasn't aware this was entirely the UK's fault. In this particular case, a letter has been written to the EU.tailwindhome said:
You do know the UK Gov have been acting the silly bollix over the Joint Committee that was supposed to sort this stuff out?TheBigBean said:
There's a real danger this will be ignored by the EU who won't appreciate the internal politics. Does it mean that you have had to add to your criticisms of the EU, or not yet?tailwindhome said:
Not often, no.TheBigBean said:
I was reading about this earlier. Do they often agree on anything?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Agreeing on this takes a bit of political 'needle threading'
It's difficult politically for both
DUP need the Protocol implemented painlessly without accepting it's existence
SF can't accept the land border alternative to the Protocol but don't want associated with its painful implementation.
Worth noting it's the DUP who hold the Environment portfolio and are responsible for implementing the border inspection posts.
Extraordinary that the leaders of a devolved administration have to bypass the UK Gov. to speak directly to the EU, but here we are.
You can think Brexit is a terrible idea whilst also accepting it is possible that the EU has done something, even just a tiny thing, wrong.
You are coming at this as a "EU can be and often is as bad as the UK in the negs" angle, right?
People who hate brexit hate it partly because it was so obvious that the negotiations would not go smoothly. It's not so much the EU can't do wrong, more, what do you expect, the EU to be really reasonable here? Of course they're going to do things wrong - that's why the whole thing is stupid. You are in fantasy land to think that it will land close to a hyper rational agreement.
The "EU must punish leavers to avoid further leavers" is a reasonable geopolitical position to take, whether you disagree with it or not. They are smart enough to know that position comes with a price tag
If I'm honest I am surprised by how much the EU has conceded thus far and that they haven't gone further down the punishment route, which I think is broadly testament to their level headedness - not something that you could reasonably argue the UK has shown.
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Extraordinary to watch the performance of the UK over the last year and still come out with this both sides nonsense.
The PM literally stood in the HOC and told MP after MP from all sides in NI that they were wrong about the NI Protocol. Gove even told one MP she represented a 'grievance' culture
They said there'd be no border while drawing up plans for inspection posts.
They dicked around instead of committing to work the joint committee
They then tried to blow up the negotiations with an Internal Market Bill which managed to undermine the Protocol but do nothing to relieve the issues.
But. Yeah. The EU are acting in 'bad faith'“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
quitetailwindhome said:Extraordinary to watch the performance of the UK over the last year and still come out with this both sides nonsense.
The PM literally stood in the HOC and told MP after MP from all sides in NI that they were wrong about the NI Protocol. Gove even told one MP she represented a 'grievance' culture
They said there'd be no border while drawing up plans for inspection posts.
They dicked around instead of committing to work the joint committee
They then tried to blow up the negotiations with an Internal Market Bill which managed to undermine the Protocol but do nothing to relieve the issues.
But. Yeah. The EU are acting in 'bad faith'0 -
So why did they write to the EU and not the PM?tailwindhome said:Extraordinary to watch the performance of the UK over the last year and still come out with this both sides nonsense.
The PM literally stood in the HOC and told MP after MP from all sides in NI that they were wrong about the NI Protocol. Gove even told one MP she represented a 'grievance' culture
They said there'd be no border while drawing up plans for inspection posts.
They dicked around instead of committing to work the joint committee
They then tried to blow up the negotiations with an Internal Market Bill which managed to undermine the Protocol but do nothing to relieve the issues.
But. Yeah. The EU are acting in 'bad faith'0 -
Because they'd clearly felt the need to bypass the PMTheBigBean said:
So why did they write to the EU and not the PM?tailwindhome said:Extraordinary to watch the performance of the UK over the last year and still come out with this both sides nonsense.
The PM literally stood in the HOC and told MP after MP from all sides in NI that they were wrong about the NI Protocol. Gove even told one MP she represented a 'grievance' culture
They said there'd be no border while drawing up plans for inspection posts.
They dicked around instead of committing to work the joint committee
They then tried to blow up the negotiations with an Internal Market Bill which managed to undermine the Protocol but do nothing to relieve the issues.
But. Yeah. The EU are acting in 'bad faith'“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
