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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 18,217

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    Do you feel you provide a service or manufacture something? I would expect it to be the former, but think the latter would be reasonable.
    Definitely only a service. but no export anyway.
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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 18,217
    edited 26 October
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    I
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    Can't be bothered. Just questioning the motives that's all.
    I think I've covered that several times now. You're starting to sound as though you have some sort of persecution complex.
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  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 10,920
    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    Do you feel you provide a service or manufacture something? I would expect it to be the former, but think the latter would be reasonable.
    Definitely only a service. but no export anyway.
    No idea what your day job actually involves, but I don't understand why architectural designs and models shouldn't be counted as "proper work" aka manufacturing. I get that there is some scepticism over some other services, but think making something virtually still counts as making something. This is just a rant on the side. Perhaps one for the trivial things that annoy me thread.

  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 18,217

    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    Do you feel you provide a service or manufacture something? I would expect it to be the former, but think the latter would be reasonable.
    Definitely only a service. but no export anyway.
    No idea what your day job actually involves, but I don't understand why architectural designs and models shouldn't be counted as "proper work" aka manufacturing. I get that there is some scepticism over some other services, but think making something virtually still counts as making something. This is just a rant on the side. Perhaps one for the trivial things that annoy me thread.

    Ha. On a bad day I'd gladly swap for the simplicity of digging underpins in the drizzle. I don't think there's really a question of whether it's work; it's just that somebody else constructs the physical object.
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  • JezyboyJezyboy Posts: 204

    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    Do you feel you provide a service or manufacture something? I would expect it to be the former, but think the latter would be reasonable.
    Definitely only a service. but no export anyway.
    No idea what your day job actually involves, but I don't understand why architectural designs and models shouldn't be counted as "proper work" aka manufacturing. I get that there is some scepticism over some other services, but think making something virtually still counts as making something. This is just a rant on the side. Perhaps one for the trivial things that annoy me thread.

    Certainly when it comes to engineering services, there's a world of extra potential headaches that come from taking on those final few bits.

    Plus there's a little bit of seeing yourself as providing something premium when you offer purely a service.

    Having said that we still consider ourselves doing proper work.


  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 42,196
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    I
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    Can't be bothered. Just questioning the motives that's all.
    I think I've covered that several times now. You're starting to sound as though you have some sort of persecution complex.
    No idea what you're on about. Nobody is persecuting me, I am as I said questioning the motives. Sorry if that annoys you that the message is maybe not quite as bad.
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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 18,217
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    I
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    Can't be bothered. Just questioning the motives that's all.
    I think I've covered that several times now. You're starting to sound as though you have some sort of persecution complex.
    No idea what you're on about. Nobody is persecuting me, I am as I said questioning the motives. Sorry if that annoys you that the message is maybe not quite as bad.
    Your first thought on seeing it was whether it showed the UK in a good enough light or not, as though it was some sort of attack. Very patriotic of you. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧. 😏
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 42,196
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    I
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    Can't be bothered. Just questioning the motives that's all.
    I think I've covered that several times now. You're starting to sound as though you have some sort of persecution complex.
    No idea what you're on about. Nobody is persecuting me, I am as I said questioning the motives. Sorry if that annoys you that the message is maybe not quite as bad.
    Your first thought on seeing it was whether it showed the UK in a good enough light or not, as though it was some sort of attack. Very patriotic of you. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧. 😏
    No, it just lacked balance due to its obvious omission. No wonder people like you were keen on it and appear to be defending it :smile:
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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 18,217
    People like me? Disappointed, Stevo.

    It was about manufacturing exports; you're the one twisting this into some inane argument over whether it says nice things about a particular country.
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 42,196
    rjsterry said:

    People like me? Disappointed, Stevo.

    It was about manufacturing exports; you're the one twisting this into some inane argument over whether it says nice things about a particular country.

    Maybe I should have said people with view like yours. Anyhow, you keep on defending it so I think I have a point.
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  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 15,484
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  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 13,102
    IIRC Rotterdam was fully prepared, staffed and trained 2 years ago.
    More fool them. 🤔
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 50,631 Lives Here
    Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 11,413

    Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO

    Why would he exhaust energy in kidding himself that he has a special relationship?
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 13,102

    Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO

    Why would he exhaust energy in kidding himself that he has a special relationship?
    He knows that he doesn’t.
    We are kidding ourselves that we do.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 50,631 Lives Here

    Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO

    Why would he exhaust energy in kidding himself that he has a special relationship?
    Doesn’t need to be special.

    Helps with leverage.
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 11,413

    Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO

    Why would he exhaust energy in kidding himself that he has a special relationship?
    Doesn’t need to be special.

    Helps with leverage.
    Leverage with who?
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 50,631 Lives Here

    Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO

    Why would he exhaust energy in kidding himself that he has a special relationship?
    Doesn’t need to be special.

    Helps with leverage.
    Leverage with who?
    Germany & EU members & Turkey

    Biden will try to keep Obama’s pivot eastwards but Macron has a similar world view.
  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 15,484

    Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO

    Why would he exhaust energy in kidding himself that he has a special relationship?
    Doesn’t need to be special.

    Helps with leverage.
    Leverage with who?
    Germany & EU members & Turkey

    Biden will try to keep Obama’s pivot eastwards but Macron has a similar world view.
    It'll be interesting to see if Obama has a role in a Biden administration.
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 20,490
    So did this get lost in the US Elections?



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  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 15,484
    Some coordination in NI.

    Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.

    TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.

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  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 11,413

    Some coordination in NI.

    Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.

    TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.

    I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?

    Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
  • morstarmorstar Posts: 3,397

    Some coordination in NI.

    Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.

    TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.

    I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?

    Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
    Have no idea on the store sizes in NI but a typical big box supermarket in UK turns over several hundred £K per week so the turnover for 17 stores will be probably between half and one billion p/a. It’s not peanuts but margins aren’t massive.
  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 15,484

    Some coordination in NI.

    Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.

    TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.

    I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?

    Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
    Sainsbury, Asda, Tesco and Lidl.



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  • ProssPross Posts: 24,233
    I did several Tescos in NI back during the big expansion. They're in the Republic too.
  • ballysmateballysmate Posts: 14,393

    Some coordination in NI.

    Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.

    TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.

    I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?

    Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
    They have electricity and indoor plumbing too.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 10,920

    Some coordination in NI.

    Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.

    TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.

    I was reading about this earlier. Do they often agree on anything?
  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 2,333

    Some coordination in NI.

    Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.

    TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.

    I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?

    Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
    They have electricity and indoor plumbing too.
    Can you drink the water?
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  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 15,484

    Some coordination in NI.

    Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.

    TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.

    I was reading about this earlier. Do they often agree on anything?
    Not often, no.

    Agreeing on this takes a bit of political 'needle threading'

    It's difficult politically for both

    DUP need the Protocol implemented painlessly without accepting it's existence

    SF can't accept the land border alternative to the Protocol but don't want associated with its painful implementation.


    Worth noting it's the DUP who hold the Environment portfolio and are responsible for implementing the border inspection posts.

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  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 15,484
    Believe that a farther shore
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