BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Humour me. What does this mean?tailwindhome said:
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Only if you agree with me.kingstongraham said:
Come on TBB, tell him he's wrong.rick_chasey said:Being permanently contrarian, and just opposing whatever anyone is saying, isn't being balanced either fwiw.
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He and the EU won't have months to resolve this issue as the French fishermen blockage will quickly put the pressure on him and the EU to get a resolution.TheBigBean said:A vaguely positive article in the Times also contained this bit
There is no good deal on fishing for the French fleet; it would come out badly from any compromise. What worries some in the government is that this might deter Emmanuel Macron from getting involved in the search for an agreement. They fear that he might choose not to dip his hand in fish guts, but instead let things slide to no-deal. Then after a few months, which European capitals believe would increase the pressure on London to compromise, he could re-engage and tell French fishermen that he had won them back a chunk of their old quota.
My bet is subsidies will be introduced as compensation. The battle within the EU around this will be great to watch from the outside as they realise they should have been more proactive in the negotiations0 -
Roy Walker, CatchphraseTheBigBean said:
Humour me. What does this mean?tailwindhome said:
"Say what you see"“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
That is a different point from mine.surrey_commuter said:
We were promised the same or better than our current trade terms.Stevo_666 said:
Who said it would?tailwindhome said:Useful thread on why a deal won't do away with border issues
That said, it is something that the Irish may be interested in after my post above
Specifically it was Gove who said it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36074853
Any sort of partial dislocation of Ireland from the single market would be a massive climbdown by the EU and would also make a mockery of all these statements of solidarity about the EU 'standing behind its members'. However, as mentioned above, more work is needed to get to the bottom of it - and indeed even if it is a posible outcome it may not even come to pass. I'm sure some of you are hoping that it won't...."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I'm not that keen.tailwindhome said:
Roy Walker, CatchphraseTheBigBean said:
Humour me. What does this mean?tailwindhome said:
"Say what you see"
In other news, your lookalike (Sammy Wilson) might have had a decent Brexit, but he's having a bad Corona. Caught not wearing a mask and comparing the UK to East Germany under the stasi.
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He's gone full Coopster.TheBigBean said:
I'm not that keen.tailwindhome said:
Roy Walker, CatchphraseTheBigBean said:
Humour me. What does this mean?tailwindhome said:
"Say what you see"
In other news, your lookalike (Sammy Wilson) might have had a decent Brexit, but he's having a bad Corona. Caught not wearing a mask and comparing the UK to East Germany under the stasi.
Never go full Coopster.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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you have missed a rather good jokerick_chasey said:
Yes it's a bit unfair from me.kingstongraham said:
Come on TBB, tell him he's wrong.rick_chasey said:Being permanently contrarian, and just opposing whatever anyone is saying, isn't being balanced either fwiw.
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I was answering your question of "who said that" which was underStevo_666 said:
That is a different point from mine.surrey_commuter said:
We were promised the same or better than our current trade terms.Stevo_666 said:
Who said it would?tailwindhome said:Useful thread on why a deal won't do away with border issues
That said, it is something that the Irish may be interested in after my post above
Specifically it was Gove who said it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36074853
Any sort of partial dislocation of Ireland from the single market would be a massive climbdown by the EU and would also make a mockery of all these statements of solidarity about the EU 'standing behind its members'. However, as mentioned above, more work is needed to get to the bottom of it - and indeed even if it is a posible outcome it may not even come to pass. I'm sure some of you are hoping that it won't....
WHAT IT TAKES TO HAVE FRICTIONLESS TRADE - AND WHY WE WON'T HAVE IT WITH THE EU EVEN WITH A TRADE DEAL0 -
Aside from your adviser suggesting it *might* happen, has anyone else suggested this is remotely likely? The IMB has been quietly moved down the pile to late December, if it ever even gets past Committee stage.Stevo_666 said:
That is a different point from mine.surrey_commuter said:
We were promised the same or better than our current trade terms.Stevo_666 said:
Who said it would?tailwindhome said:Useful thread on why a deal won't do away with border issues
That said, it is something that the Irish may be interested in after my post above
Specifically it was Gove who said it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36074853
Any sort of partial dislocation of Ireland from the single market would be a massive climbdown by the EU and would also make a mockery of all these statements of solidarity about the EU 'standing behind its members'. However, as mentioned above, more work is needed to get to the bottom of it - and indeed even if it is a posible outcome it may not even come to pass. I'm sure some of you are hoping that it won't....1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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So it sounds like.....BoJo doing his usual, giving into most things to secure a 'deal' which will be proclaimed as a some wonderful victory.0
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You didn't deny it last time when I mentioned it, so I have taken it as fact! No insult intended.tailwindhome said:0 -
Gove was surprisingly detailed about what leaving would look like
“Preliminary, informal conversations would take place with the EU to explore how best to proceed,” he insisted. “It would not be in any nation’s interest artificially to accelerate the process and no responsible government would hit the start button on a two-year legal process without preparing appropriately.”
He refused to isolate a particular country as the model for the type of relationship Britain could have with the EU but insisted it could remain part of “a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey, that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in or out of the euro or the EU”.
Vote Leave contends that Britain’s trade deficit with its EU trading partners would mean they would be ready to offer tariff-free access to this free trade zone, without forcing Britain to remain a part of the single market; or to accept free movement, or make contributions to the EU budget.0 -
Sounds like "trade with us or else"surrey_commuter said:Gove was surprisingly detailed about what leaving would look like
“Preliminary, informal conversations would take place with the EU to explore how best to proceed,” he insisted. “It would not be in any nation’s interest artificially to accelerate the process and no responsible government would hit the start button on a two-year legal process without preparing appropriately.”
He refused to isolate a particular country as the model for the type of relationship Britain could have with the EU but insisted it could remain part of “a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey, that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in or out of the euro or the EU”.
Vote Leave contends that Britain’s trade deficit with its EU trading partners would mean they would be ready to offer tariff-free access to this free trade zone, without forcing Britain to remain a part of the single market; or to accept free movement, or make contributions to the EU budget.
I'm was a remoaner but we've left now so I only see two ways out; SM/EEA deal or no-deal. There simply isn't the political good-will out there to get something in between.0 -
How do you know that twh looks like Sammy Wilson?TheBigBean said:
I'm not that keen.tailwindhome said:
Roy Walker, CatchphraseTheBigBean said:
Humour me. What does this mean?tailwindhome said:
"Say what you see"
In other news, your lookalike (Sammy Wilson) might have had a decent Brexit, but he's having a bad Corona. Caught not wearing a mask and comparing the UK to East Germany under the stasi.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Like I say, more research needed. I only heard it yesterday second hand. The reaction to the mere possibility of this is quite interesting though.rjsterry said:
Aside from your adviser suggesting it *might* happen, has anyone else suggested this is remotely likely? The IMB has been quietly moved down the pile to late December, if it ever even gets past Committee stage.Stevo_666 said:
That is a different point from mine.surrey_commuter said:
We were promised the same or better than our current trade terms.Stevo_666 said:
Who said it would?tailwindhome said:Useful thread on why a deal won't do away with border issues
That said, it is something that the Irish may be interested in after my post above
Specifically it was Gove who said it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36074853
Any sort of partial dislocation of Ireland from the single market would be a massive climbdown by the EU and would also make a mockery of all these statements of solidarity about the EU 'standing behind its members'. However, as mentioned above, more work is needed to get to the bottom of it - and indeed even if it is a posible outcome it may not even come to pass. I'm sure some of you are hoping that it won't...."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Ah, so now it's something you heard second hand. 😄. But then we did sign an international treaty imposing a border within our own territory just to win an election so I guess the truth is stranger than fiction.Stevo_666 said:
Like I say, more research needed. I only heard it yesterday second hand. The reaction to the mere possibility of this is quite interesting though.rjsterry said:
Aside from your adviser suggesting it *might* happen, has anyone else suggested this is remotely likely? The IMB has been quietly moved down the pile to late December, if it ever even gets past Committee stage.Stevo_666 said:
That is a different point from mine.surrey_commuter said:
We were promised the same or better than our current trade terms.Stevo_666 said:
Who said it would?tailwindhome said:Useful thread on why a deal won't do away with border issues
That said, it is something that the Irish may be interested in after my post above
Specifically it was Gove who said it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36074853
Any sort of partial dislocation of Ireland from the single market would be a massive climbdown by the EU and would also make a mockery of all these statements of solidarity about the EU 'standing behind its members'. However, as mentioned above, more work is needed to get to the bottom of it - and indeed even if it is a posible outcome it may not even come to pass. I'm sure some of you are hoping that it won't....1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
The lead part on our account relayed the view of one of his experts to me in a meeting the we had yesterday.rjsterry said:
Ah, so now it's something you heard second hand. 😄. But then we did sign an international treaty imposing a border within our own territory just to win an election so I guess the truth is stranger than fiction.Stevo_666 said:
Like I say, more research needed. I only heard it yesterday second hand. The reaction to the mere possibility of this is quite interesting though.rjsterry said:
Aside from your adviser suggesting it *might* happen, has anyone else suggested this is remotely likely? The IMB has been quietly moved down the pile to late December, if it ever even gets past Committee stage.Stevo_666 said:
That is a different point from mine.surrey_commuter said:
We were promised the same or better than our current trade terms.Stevo_666 said:
Who said it would?tailwindhome said:Useful thread on why a deal won't do away with border issues
That said, it is something that the Irish may be interested in after my post above
Specifically it was Gove who said it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36074853
Any sort of partial dislocation of Ireland from the single market would be a massive climbdown by the EU and would also make a mockery of all these statements of solidarity about the EU 'standing behind its members'. However, as mentioned above, more work is needed to get to the bottom of it - and indeed even if it is a posible outcome it may not even come to pass. I'm sure some of you are hoping that it won't....
Even more interesting that you're now trying to discredit the source with minimal knowledge of the facts here..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Fair enough; just reading what you wrote. Must admit I half thought you'd just made the whole thing up to cause a stir. I'm not clear how the EU could to any degree remove one of its members from the SM without either their consent or causing an absolute sh*tstorm, so I think I'll stick with 'technically possible but unlikely'. I think enforcing the agreement that has already been made is far more likely.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
It does feel like we may as well go no-deal than some half -rsed deal but that is what the loons think so is almost certainly wrong.darkhairedlord said:
Sounds like "trade with us or else"surrey_commuter said:Gove was surprisingly detailed about what leaving would look like
“Preliminary, informal conversations would take place with the EU to explore how best to proceed,” he insisted. “It would not be in any nation’s interest artificially to accelerate the process and no responsible government would hit the start button on a two-year legal process without preparing appropriately.”
He refused to isolate a particular country as the model for the type of relationship Britain could have with the EU but insisted it could remain part of “a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey, that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in or out of the euro or the EU”.
Vote Leave contends that Britain’s trade deficit with its EU trading partners would mean they would be ready to offer tariff-free access to this free trade zone, without forcing Britain to remain a part of the single market; or to accept free movement, or make contributions to the EU budget.
I'm was a remoaner but we've left now so I only see two ways out; SM/EEA deal or no-deal. There simply isn't the political good-will out there to get something in between.0 -
If the UK were to renege on the Withdrawal Agreement we'd be back where we were in 2018 when Stevo's experts were telling him that a No Deal Brexit (No Withdrawal Agreement) would mean the EU would either compel Ireland to put up the single market border at the UK/NI land border or introduce checks between Ireland and mainland Europe, effectively compromising their place in the single market.rjsterry said:Fair enough; just reading what you wrote. Must admit I half thought you'd just made the whole thing up to cause a stir. I'm not clear how the EU could to any degree remove one of its members from the SM without either their consent or causing an absolute sh*tstorm, so I think I'll stick with 'technically possible but unlikely'.
While it's shocking that Stevo thinks this a revelation, it's not entirely surprising.
I mean, Boris introduced a customs and regulatory border in the UK when Stevo wasn't paying attention, who knows what else he's missed?
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
Look at the potential UK concessions for things joe public doesn't give a sh!t about - that's where the deal will be made.surrey_commuter said:
It does feel like we may as well go no-deal than some half -rsed deal but that is what the loons think so is almost certainly wrong.darkhairedlord said:
Sounds like "trade with us or else"surrey_commuter said:Gove was surprisingly detailed about what leaving would look like
“Preliminary, informal conversations would take place with the EU to explore how best to proceed,” he insisted. “It would not be in any nation’s interest artificially to accelerate the process and no responsible government would hit the start button on a two-year legal process without preparing appropriately.”
He refused to isolate a particular country as the model for the type of relationship Britain could have with the EU but insisted it could remain part of “a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey, that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in or out of the euro or the EU”.
Vote Leave contends that Britain’s trade deficit with its EU trading partners would mean they would be ready to offer tariff-free access to this free trade zone, without forcing Britain to remain a part of the single market; or to accept free movement, or make contributions to the EU budget.
I'm was a remoaner but we've left now so I only see two ways out; SM/EEA deal or no-deal. There simply isn't the political good-will out there to get something in between.
e.g. Everyone hates bankers but they think fishing is some noble right, so they'll give up a shed-tonne on the City in return for a few extra square miles of sea to fish in.
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I think there might be some follow on issues if Ireland is forced out of the single market against their will by a decision made unilaterally in England.0
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I found out the other day that there are more than twice as many registered architects as those employed in the fishing industry. And it's not as though we are a big deal.rick_chasey said:
Look at the potential UK concessions for things joe public doesn't give a sh!t about - that's where the deal will be made.surrey_commuter said:
It does feel like we may as well go no-deal than some half -rsed deal but that is what the loons think so is almost certainly wrong.darkhairedlord said:
Sounds like "trade with us or else"surrey_commuter said:Gove was surprisingly detailed about what leaving would look like
“Preliminary, informal conversations would take place with the EU to explore how best to proceed,” he insisted. “It would not be in any nation’s interest artificially to accelerate the process and no responsible government would hit the start button on a two-year legal process without preparing appropriately.”
He refused to isolate a particular country as the model for the type of relationship Britain could have with the EU but insisted it could remain part of “a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey, that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in or out of the euro or the EU”.
Vote Leave contends that Britain’s trade deficit with its EU trading partners would mean they would be ready to offer tariff-free access to this free trade zone, without forcing Britain to remain a part of the single market; or to accept free movement, or make contributions to the EU budget.
I'm was a remoaner but we've left now so I only see two ways out; SM/EEA deal or no-deal. There simply isn't the political good-will out there to get something in between.
e.g. Everyone hates bankers but they think fishing is some noble right, so they'll give up a shed-tonne on the City in return for a few extra square miles of sea to fish in.
etc.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
'Who's going to build it' is a well worn riffkingstongraham said:I think there might be some follow on issues if Ireland is forced out of the single market against their will by a decision made unilaterally in England.
Glee at the impact on Ireland will wear off when the UK realises it too has an internal market and custom's union to protect and will have to do so with a land border.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I think the suggestion is that to get around this, Ireland will leave the single market and (I guess) harmonise everything with the UK where there is a potential issue.tailwindhome said:
'Who's going to build it' is a well worn riffkingstongraham said:I think there might be some follow on issues if Ireland is forced out of the single market against their will by a decision made unilaterally in England.
Glee at the impact on Ireland will wear off when the UK realises it too has an internal market and custom's union to protect and will have to do so with a land border.0 -
I mean, the arrogance.kingstongraham said:
I think the suggestion is that to get around this, Ireland will leave the single market and (I guess) harmonise everything with the UK where there is a potential issue.tailwindhome said:
'Who's going to build it' is a well worn riffkingstongraham said:I think there might be some follow on issues if Ireland is forced out of the single market against their will by a decision made unilaterally in England.
Glee at the impact on Ireland will wear off when the UK realises it too has an internal market and custom's union to protect and will have to do so with a land border.0 -
It may well not be a revelation if it is what you think it is. However, some of you have been working on the basis that the EU will be an 'immovable object' on this issue so you have completely discounted the possibility of borders between ROI and the EU to date. And this being raised again as a possibility now that circumstances have changed makes you uncomfortable.tailwindhome said:
If the UK were to renege on the Withdrawal Agreement we'd be back where we were in 2018 when Stevo's experts were telling him that a No Deal Brexit (No Withdrawal Agreement) would mean the EU would either compel Ireland to put up the single market border at the UK/NI land border or introduce checks between Ireland and mainland Europe, effectively compromising their place in the single market.rjsterry said:Fair enough; just reading what you wrote. Must admit I half thought you'd just made the whole thing up to cause a stir. I'm not clear how the EU could to any degree remove one of its members from the SM without either their consent or causing an absolute sh*tstorm, so I think I'll stick with 'technically possible but unlikely'.
While it's shocking that Stevo thinks this a revelation, it's not entirely surprising.
I mean, Boris introduced a customs and regulatory border in the UK when Stevo wasn't paying attention, who knows what else he's missed?
So settle down and I'll see what I can find out."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
