BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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rjsterry wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Yes yes but the electorate collectively are ignorant.
We all know this. That is why it is a representative democracy, and things like referendums are advisory.
We are in an election campaign mode; the parliamentary shenanigans are just defining what the campaign will look like, and plainly the Tories have an advantage in that being the government they can dictate the battlegrounds for the campaign more easily.
I would view everything that is done through the lens of how it impacts the election; I believe that is now the motive behind most or all of the behaviour. We know the Tory & SNP lines; the labour/lib dems lines are not clear, though Lib Dems will be obvious and will cut through.
So it seems the Tories have successfully defined the debate as per above.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... 14879f1470Corbyn says it is absurd for Boris Johnson to present himself as representing the people against parliament
If you're saying that mate, then it's already job done.
I was interested to note that even George Osborne was pointing out that the idea that Corbyn is afraid of a general election is nonsense.
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no he didn'tRobert88 wrote:rjsterry wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Yes yes but the electorate collectively are ignorant.
We all know this. That is why it is a representative democracy, and things like referendums are advisory.
We are in an election campaign mode; the parliamentary shenanigans are just defining what the campaign will look like, and plainly the Tories have an advantage in that being the government they can dictate the battlegrounds for the campaign more easily.
I would view everything that is done through the lens of how it impacts the election; I believe that is now the motive behind most or all of the behaviour. We know the Tory & SNP lines; the labour/lib dems lines are not clear, though Lib Dems will be obvious and will cut through.
So it seems the Tories have successfully defined the debate as per above.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... 14879f1470Corbyn says it is absurd for Boris Johnson to present himself as representing the people against parliament
If you're saying that mate, then it's already job done.
I was interested to note that even George Osborne was pointing out that the idea that Corbyn is afraid of a general election is nonsense.
Congratulations!!
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Plot thickens.
Adam Fleming
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There will have to be a British commissioner if the UK asks for an Article 50 extension and it is granted, says @vonderleyen0 -
TheBigBean wrote:Plot thickens.
Adam Fleming
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There will have to be a British commissioner if the UK asks for an Article 50 extension and it is granted, says @vonderleyen
So what?0 -
KingstonGraham wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Plot thickens.
Adam Fleming
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There will have to be a British commissioner if the UK asks for an Article 50 extension and it is granted, says @vonderleyen
So what?
What happens if BoJo doesn't nominate one? I don't know, but there is some thought to say that it would mean no extension.
The unresolved mystery for me is why the Lords ended the filibuster, and why there was no bill for an election. This might be an explanation.0 -
TheBigBean wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Plot thickens.
Adam Fleming
Verified account @adamfleming
There will have to be a British commissioner if the UK asks for an Article 50 extension and it is granted, says @vonderleyen
So what?
What happens if BoJo doesn't nominate one? I don't know, but there is some thought to say that it would mean no extension.
The unresolved mystery for me is why the Lords ended the filibuster, and why there was no bill for an election. This might be an explanation.
Doubt it.On 23 August 2019, the Council received a letter from the UK Permanent Representative
to the European Union stating that:
‘As the United Kingdom will be leaving the European Union on 31 October 2019, the
Prime Minister announced in the House of Commons on 25 July that we would not
nominate a UK Commissioner for the new Commission, and that this was not intended to
stop the EU appointing a new Commission.
I am writing formally to confirm that, in accordance with the Prime Minister's statement,
the United Kingdom will not be nominating a candidate for the 2019-2024 College of
Commissioners’.0 -
KingstonGraham wrote:TheBigBean wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Plot thickens.
Adam Fleming
Verified account @adamfleming
There will have to be a British commissioner if the UK asks for an Article 50 extension and it is granted, says @vonderleyen
So what?
What happens if BoJo doesn't nominate one? I don't know, but there is some thought to say that it would mean no extension.
The unresolved mystery for me is why the Lords ended the filibuster, and why there was no bill for an election. This might be an explanation.
Doubt it.On 23 August 2019, the Council received a letter from the UK Permanent Representative
to the European Union stating that:
‘As the United Kingdom will be leaving the European Union on 31 October 2019, the
Prime Minister announced in the House of Commons on 25 July that we would not
nominate a UK Commissioner for the new Commission, and that this was not intended to
stop the EU appointing a new Commission.
I am writing formally to confirm that, in accordance with the Prime Minister's statement,
the United Kingdom will not be nominating a candidate for the 2019-2024 College of
Commissioners’.
Which bit are you doubting? The UK hasn't nominated one (your quote). The EU needs one to legally function (tweet). Therefore any extension needs a commissioner.0 -
TheBigBean wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:TheBigBean wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Plot thickens.
Adam Fleming
Verified account @adamfleming
There will have to be a British commissioner if the UK asks for an Article 50 extension and it is granted, says @vonderleyen
So what?
What happens if BoJo doesn't nominate one? I don't know, but there is some thought to say that it would mean no extension.
The unresolved mystery for me is why the Lords ended the filibuster, and why there was no bill for an election. This might be an explanation.
Doubt it.On 23 August 2019, the Council received a letter from the UK Permanent Representative
to the European Union stating that:
‘As the United Kingdom will be leaving the European Union on 31 October 2019, the
Prime Minister announced in the House of Commons on 25 July that we would not
nominate a UK Commissioner for the new Commission, and that this was not intended to
stop the EU appointing a new Commission.
I am writing formally to confirm that, in accordance with the Prime Minister's statement,
the United Kingdom will not be nominating a candidate for the 2019-2024 College of
Commissioners’.
Which bit are you doubting? The UK hasn't nominated one (your quote). The EU needs one to legally function (tweet). Therefore any extension needs a commissioner.
I'm doubting that the EU needs one to legally function given https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/do ... NIT/en/pdf and https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... A12008M0170 -
But she probably knows more than me so I should wind my head in0
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TheBigBean wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:TheBigBean wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Plot thickens.
Adam Fleming
Verified account @adamfleming
There will have to be a British commissioner if the UK asks for an Article 50 extension and it is granted, says @vonderleyen
So what?
What happens if BoJo doesn't nominate one? I don't know, but there is some thought to say that it would mean no extension.
The unresolved mystery for me is why the Lords ended the filibuster, and why there was no bill for an election. This might be an explanation.
Doubt it.On 23 August 2019, the Council received a letter from the UK Permanent Representative
to the European Union stating that:
‘As the United Kingdom will be leaving the European Union on 31 October 2019, the
Prime Minister announced in the House of Commons on 25 July that we would not
nominate a UK Commissioner for the new Commission, and that this was not intended to
stop the EU appointing a new Commission.
I am writing formally to confirm that, in accordance with the Prime Minister's statement,
the United Kingdom will not be nominating a candidate for the 2019-2024 College of
Commissioners’.
Which bit are you doubting? The UK hasn't nominated one (your quote). The EU needs one to legally function (tweet). Therefore any extension needs a commissioner.
Nah, doesn't need one.
What happens when one gets hammered the night before and can't get out of bed, do they all sit around?0 -
More likely as we have said this isn't intended to stop the EU appointing a commission, Bercow will be appointed.0
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TheBigBean wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Plot thickens.
Adam Fleming
Verified account @adamfleming
There will have to be a British commissioner if the UK asks for an Article 50 extension and it is granted, says @vonderleyen
So what?
What happens if BoJo doesn't nominate one? I don't know, but there is some thought to say that it would mean no extension.
The unresolved mystery for me is why the Lords ended the filibuster, and why there was no bill for an election. This might be an explanation.
BoJo and the government legally needs to "seek" to avoid no deal, remember.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:TheBigBean wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Plot thickens.
Adam Fleming
Verified account @adamfleming
There will have to be a British commissioner if the UK asks for an Article 50 extension and it is granted, says @vonderleyen
So what?
What happens if BoJo doesn't nominate one? I don't know, but there is some thought to say that it would mean no extension.
The unresolved mystery for me is why the Lords ended the filibuster, and why there was no bill for an election. This might be an explanation.
BoJo and the government legally needs to "seek" to avoid no deal, remember.
By sending the letter appended to the bill. Not by doing anything else.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/b ... /18202.pdf0 -
TheBigBean wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:TheBigBean wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Plot thickens.
Adam Fleming
Verified account @adamfleming
There will have to be a British commissioner if the UK asks for an Article 50 extension and it is granted, says @vonderleyen
So what?
What happens if BoJo doesn't nominate one? I don't know, but there is some thought to say that it would mean no extension.
The unresolved mystery for me is why the Lords ended the filibuster, and why there was no bill for an election. This might be an explanation.
BoJo and the government legally needs to "seek" to avoid no deal, remember.
By sending the letter appended to the bill. Not by doing anything else.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/b ... /18202.pdf
You seriously suggesting that he seeks a no-deal via a technicality?
I mean come on.0 -
TheBigBean wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:TheBigBean wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Plot thickens.
Adam Fleming
Verified account @adamfleming
There will have to be a British commissioner if the UK asks for an Article 50 extension and it is granted, says @vonderleyen
So what?
What happens if BoJo doesn't nominate one? I don't know, but there is some thought to say that it would mean no extension.
The unresolved mystery for me is why the Lords ended the filibuster, and why there was no bill for an election. This might be an explanation.
BoJo and the government legally needs to "seek" to avoid no deal, remember.
By sending the letter appended to the bill. Not by doing anything else.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/b ... /18202.pdf
I can't see anything in there that specifically supports this conspiracy theory.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Phrase being used is now "penny is dropping" in relation to UK looking at NI only backstop.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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rjsterry wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:NICK TIMOTHY GETS A TITLE.
F*CK OFF.
That is hilarious.
Less funny is convicted criminal Boycott getting a gong.
It was a French conviction so will no longer count after Brexit. One of the main reasons for leaving was so we could have our own laws remember.0 -
TheBigBean wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:So errr, Netherlands doing well out of Brexit
https://www.cityam.com/going-dutch-uk-i ... eferendum/UK investments in the Netherlands have jumped more than four-fold to €80bn (£72bn) since the Brexit referendum in 2016, the Dutch statistics office said today.
In the same period, Dutch investments in the UK fell from €50bn to negative €11bn as Brexit uncertainty led to capital outflows.
It seems to be the fashionable place to stick a couple of members of staff. No one seems to want to move to Dublin and no company likes French employment law. Whereas Amsterdam seems to appeal to employees and is still reasonably close.
Lithunania is probably doing well for other reasons.
English being widely spoken is no doubt a huge benefit too, their Universities have apparently benefited massively from the tuition fees in the UK as well.0 -
Were you unfortunate to catch him bullsh*ting his way through the interview this morning? He claimed that French law presumed guilt among other nonsense.Pross wrote:rjsterry wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:NICK TIMOTHY GETS A TITLE.
F*CK OFF.
That is hilarious.
Less funny is convicted criminal Boycott getting a gong.
It was a French conviction so will no longer count after Brexit. One of the main reasons for leaving was so we could have our own laws remember.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Mad_Malx wrote:rjsterry wrote:Phrase being used is now "penny is dropping" in relation to UK looking at NI only backstop.
What's the NI view on this? - I know what DUP think, but what about reasonable people?
Majority in favour
Business orgs in favour
Majority of Nationalists in favour
81% of Unionists against“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
rjsterry wrote:
Were you unfortunate to catch him bullsh*ting his way through the interview this morning? He claimed that French law presumed guilt among other nonsense.Pross wrote:rjsterry wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:NICK TIMOTHY GETS A TITLE.
F*CK OFF.
That is hilarious.
Less funny is convicted criminal Boycott getting a gong.
It was a French conviction so will no longer count after Brexit. One of the main reasons for leaving was so we could have our own laws remember.
Fortunately not but I know he's always denied the allegations. I've had enough of his voice from listening to TMS, one for the Trivial Things That Intrigue You thread but I've never quite worked out how he has a batting average as you have to get out before you can have an average and I'm assuming he never did.0 -
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Lines from Phil Hogan's interview with
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▪️ 'Movement happening on both sides' of Brexit process
▪️ N-S institutions of GFA could be used to provide further oversight of how a NI-only backstop operated.
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▪️ Constitutional issues that are already in the Withdrawal Agreement 'might have to be improved upon' if NI-only backstop is requested. WA would not be changed in 'a major way.' (This is some distance from the WA can't be touched).“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
rjsterry wrote:
Were you unfortunate to catch him bullsh*ting his way through the interview this morning? He claimed that French law presumed guilt among other nonsense.Pross wrote:rjsterry wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:NICK TIMOTHY GETS A TITLE.
F*CK OFF.
That is hilarious.
Less funny is convicted criminal Boycott getting a gong.
It was a French conviction so will no longer count after Brexit. One of the main reasons for leaving was so we could have our own laws remember.
For a bit of balance.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews ... -case.html0 -
TheBigBean wrote:rjsterry wrote:
Were you unfortunate to catch him bullsh*ting his way through the interview this morning? He claimed that French law presumed guilt among other nonsense.Pross wrote:rjsterry wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:NICK TIMOTHY GETS A TITLE.
F*CK OFF.
That is hilarious.
Less funny is convicted criminal Boycott getting a gong.
It was a French conviction so will no longer count after Brexit. One of the main reasons for leaving was so we could have our own laws remember.
For a bit of balance.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews ... -case.html
It's not balance. He was tried and found guilty. If the courts wanna overturn it then fine.
Come on Big Bean. Not everything has two sides.0 -
Boris will spin TM's WA, with modified backstop, as having gained massive concessions.0
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TheBigBean wrote:rjsterry wrote:
Were you unfortunate to catch him bullsh*ting his way through the interview this morning? He claimed that French law presumed guilt among other nonsense.Pross wrote:rjsterry wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:NICK TIMOTHY GETS A TITLE.
F*CK OFF.
That is hilarious.
Less funny is convicted criminal Boycott getting a gong.
It was a French conviction so will no longer count after Brexit. One of the main reasons for leaving was so we could have our own laws remember.
For a bit of balance.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews ... -case.html
He may as well have been reading from that article in the interview.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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And in doing so all the no dealers who voted for hm and joined the conservative party and have flocked to it in the polls may leave. That boris bounce may just evaporate with the WA act 2 about to make a come back.http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.0
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thecycleclinic wrote:And in doing so all the no dealers who voted for hm and joined the conservative party and have flocked to it in the polls may leave. That boris bounce may just evaporate with the WA act 2 about to make a come back.
Agreed. And then he has to start the hard work on the new end date of 31.12.2020.0 -
Like the massive concessions Cameron got before brexit.Mad_Malx wrote:Boris will spin TM's WA, with modified backstop, as having gained massive concessions.0
