BREXIT 2020 - Ding Dong The Bells Are Gonna Chime!.....Well Maybe Not.

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  • Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs

    I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.
    You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?
    I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doing

    Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
    And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.

    If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.

    Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
    So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs

    I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.
    You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?
    I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doing

    Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
    And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.

    If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.

    Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
    So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...
    I think you Corbyn supporters are the only ones who still think it's possible that Labour might get a majority on their own.

    Any Brexit that a Labour government did put to the vote would be quite different to that currently on offer, due to their different approaches to red lines. As Johnson proved, if you abandon some red lines, the deal can be changed.
    and then the next thing you know
  • The random way this site now does quoting is annoying.
    and then the next thing you know
  • Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs

    I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.
    You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?
    I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doing

    Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
    And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.

    If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.

    Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
    So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...
    Stevo,

    He is trolling/lying to you. He is a Corbyn fanboi. No remainer Conservative would use term 'Tory Brexit' to describe Brexit

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  • bompingtonbompington Posts: 6,852
    A few of us ex-Tory voters might though.
  • "You've taken my phone and put it in your pocket, prime minister."

    and then the next thing you know
  • ProssPross Posts: 21,122
    Meh, nothing there to show he grabbed it rather than was handed it to look at and then put it in his own pocket. The bigger worry is how easily he deflected the question away from the issue and got back to delivering his Brexit message.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,547
    edited December 2019
    He really doesn't like it when people don't like him, does he?

    The look of almost panic as he scrambled to get get back to nice, comfortable Brexit bulls***, rather than all that unpleasantness of actual people lying on hospital floors.
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 37,042

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs

    I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.
    You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?
    I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doing

    Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
    And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.

    If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.

    Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
    So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...
    Stevo,

    He is trolling/lying to you. He is a Corbyn fanboi. No remainer Conservative would use term 'Tory Brexit' to describe Brexit

    As mentioned above, he has never sounded like a conservative voter. But good spot.
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 37,042

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs

    I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.
    You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?
    I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doing

    Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
    And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.

    If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.

    Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
    So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs

    I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.
    You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?
    I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doing

    Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
    And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.

    If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.

    Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
    So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...
    I think you Corbyn supporters are the only ones who still think it's possible that Labour might get a majority on their own.

    Any Brexit that a Labour government did put to the vote would be quite different to that currently on offer, due to their different approaches to red lines. As Johnson proved, if you abandon some red lines, the deal can be changed.
    I was making a hypothetical point to Brian...the leftie losers will likely still be leftie losers on Friday morning.
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  • Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs

    I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.
    You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?
    I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doing

    Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
    And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.

    If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.

    Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
    So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...
    Stevo,

    He is trolling/lying to you. He is a Corbyn fanboi. No remainer Conservative would use term 'Tory Brexit' to describe Brexit

    As mentioned above, he has never sounded like a conservative voter. But good spot.
    That's the best you two can do?

    You still haven't explained John Major, either, Stevo. Not a real Tory?
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 44,120 Lives Here
    edited December 2019
    Have to say, the arrogance of British leaders when they talk about how *great* the U.K. is whilst refusing to acknowledge that their basic sh!t isn’t together, like kids not having beds when in hospital, really does boil my p!ss.

    Hard not to blame Tory voters when they vote for leaders who’s record on this stuff is so obvious.

    Also, for whenever we were discussing pensions. This chart made my jaw drop.


  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,547
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs

    I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.
    You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?
    I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doing

    Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
    And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.

    If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.

    Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
    So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...
    Stevo,

    He is trolling/lying to you. He is a Corbyn fanboi. No remainer Conservative would use term 'Tory Brexit' to describe Brexit

    As mentioned above, he has never sounded like a conservative voter. But good spot.
    Maybe you need to rethink your preconceptions.

    On the tactical voting side, this somewhat counters your earlier post on the subject.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Simon_Nixon/status/1203983221446324224
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 37,042

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs

    I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.
    You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?
    I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doing

    Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
    And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.

    If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.

    Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
    So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...
    Stevo,

    He is trolling/lying to you. He is a Corbyn fanboi. No remainer Conservative would use term 'Tory Brexit' to describe Brexit

    As mentioned above, he has never sounded like a conservative voter. But good spot.
    That's the best you two can do?

    You still haven't explained John Major, either, Stevo. Not a real Tory?
    It probably shows how emotive a subject Brexit is and how it can cloud judgment. You've also demonstrated this very well with your posts above.

    Worth mentioning that Tiny Blair has done the same by advising peope not to vote for Labour, although not over Brexit.

    So Brian, do tell us: why did you vote conservative for all those years?
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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,547

    Have to say, the arrogance of British leaders when they talk about how *great* the U.K. is whilst refusing to acknowledge that their basic sh!t isn’t together, like kids not having beds when in hospital, really does boil my p!ss.

    Hard not to blame Tory voters when they vote for leaders who’s record on this stuff is so obvious.

    Also, for whenever we were discussing pensions. This chart made my jaw drop.


    Yep. Saw that too. :#
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  • rjsterry said:

    Have to say, the arrogance of British leaders when they talk about how *great* the U.K. is whilst refusing to acknowledge that their basic sh!t isn’t together, like kids not having beds when in hospital, really does boil my p!ss.

    Hard not to blame Tory voters when they vote for leaders who’s record on this stuff is so obvious.

    Also, for whenever we were discussing pensions. This chart made my jaw drop.


    Yep. Saw that too. :#
    Did it go down in the last two years because of Brexit inflation?
  • coopster_the_1stcoopster_the_1st Posts: 2,284
    edited December 2019
    Has The Mirror/Labour today alienated the whole of the medical profession with their latest fakenews slur?

    It's starting to look like it...
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  • When Boris finds out his deal puts a border between NI and GB will he vote against his own deal? Without him promoting it surely it will fail to pass, then where does it leave us? Presumably revert to type and blame those pesky Europeans. I reckon it makes no deal more likely
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 9,969
    No deal and blame the EU for it was my conclusion a while ago. Not seen anything since to make me rethink that.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,547

    When Boris finds out his deal puts a border between NI and GB will he vote against his own deal? Without him promoting it surely it will fail to pass, then where does it leave us? Presumably revert to type and blame those pesky Europeans. I reckon it makes no deal more likely

    Finds out? Are you suggesting that he or anyone in the Conservative party doesn't already know this? NI has been pushed firmly under the bus; the idea that this happened by mistake or without anyone realising is absurd.
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  • LongshotLongshot Posts: 553

    Has The Mirror/Labour today alienated the whole of the medical profession with their latest fakenews slur?

    It's starting to look like it...

    Your bridge is calling. There's goats coming.
    You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.
  • rjsterry said:

    When Boris finds out his deal puts a border between NI and GB will he vote against his own deal? Without him promoting it surely it will fail to pass, then where does it leave us? Presumably revert to type and blame those pesky Europeans. I reckon it makes no deal more likely

    Finds out? Are you suggesting that he or anyone in the Conservative party doesn't already know this? NI has been pushed firmly under the bus; the idea that this happened by mistake or without anyone realising is absurd.
    From the horses mouth - https://news.sky.com/video/johnson-denies-labour-claim-about-brexit-northern-ireland-border-checks-11879551

    Pretty unequivocal.
  • Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs

    I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.
    You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?
    I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doing

    Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
    And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.

    If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.

    Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
    So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...
    Stevo,

    He is trolling/lying to you. He is a Corbyn fanboi. No remainer Conservative would use term 'Tory Brexit' to describe Brexit

    welcome back
    and then the next thing you know
  • Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs

    I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.
    You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?
    I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doing

    Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
    And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.

    If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.

    Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
    So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...
    Stevo,

    He is trolling/lying to you. He is a Corbyn fanboi. No remainer Conservative would use term 'Tory Brexit' to describe Brexit

    welcome back
    and then the next thing you know
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,547

    rjsterry said:

    When Boris finds out his deal puts a border between NI and GB will he vote against his own deal? Without him promoting it surely it will fail to pass, then where does it leave us? Presumably revert to type and blame those pesky Europeans. I reckon it makes no deal more likely

    Finds out? Are you suggesting that he or anyone in the Conservative party doesn't already know this? NI has been pushed firmly under the bus; the idea that this happened by mistake or without anyone realising is absurd.
    From the horses mouth - https://news.sky.com/video/johnson-denies-labour-claim-about-brexit-northern-ireland-border-checks-11879551

    Pretty unequivocal.
    He was unequivocal about stopping a third runway at Heathrow; leaving the EU by 31st October; not requesting an A50 extension. The deal he has agreed with the EU requires checks. NI knows this. It's the most transparent of his lies.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 44,120 Lives Here
    No one in England cares.
  • Come Friday there's going to be a lot of you soft city boys crying when we have a government that really cares about the people.

    straight off pay rise for me and every year after above inflation. The SNP will bolster our numbers and the nasty tories will never have the opportunity to enslave the country again.
  • LongshotLongshot Posts: 553

    Come Friday there's going to be a lot of you soft city boys crying when we have a government that really cares about the people.

    straight off pay rise for me and every year after above inflation. The SNP will bolster our numbers and the nasty tories will never have the opportunity to enslave the country again.

    Boris doesn't care about the people and he's not giving you a pay rise.
    You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,547

    No one in England cares.

    Clearly that's what Johnson is hoping.
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  • rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    When Boris finds out his deal puts a border between NI and GB will he vote against his own deal? Without him promoting it surely it will fail to pass, then where does it leave us? Presumably revert to type and blame those pesky Europeans. I reckon it makes no deal more likely

    Finds out? Are you suggesting that he or anyone in the Conservative party doesn't already know this? NI has been pushed firmly under the bus; the idea that this happened by mistake or without anyone realising is absurd.
    From the horses mouth - https://news.sky.com/video/johnson-denies-labour-claim-about-brexit-northern-ireland-border-checks-11879551

    Pretty unequivocal.
    He was unequivocal about stopping a third runway at Heathrow; leaving the EU by 31st October; not requesting an A50 extension. The deal he has agreed with the EU requires checks. NI knows this. It's the most transparent of his lies.
    he might still stop a 3rd runway
    31st of October was not his promise to make

    It is a historical fact that he has agreed a deal including a customs border between NI and GB. It is also a fact that most MPs have no idea about the next phase of Brexit. Why is it so unlikely that he has no idea what he has agreed to? does he look like a man with a close command over the detail?
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 8,351
    Is it that hard to concede that BoJo got a better deal than the previous ones? It has been approved by Trimble and retains a democratic ability to leave. That ability will influence discussions over what checks are required.

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