I Bet Frank's Happy.

tim_wand

So we now have a majority Conservative Government.

Does this mean 5 years of Shafting for the Working Man/ Woman whilst the Banks and Financial Institutions regain their grip on the land?

Or will it mean a stronger economy and a recovery which returns us to the top of the economic fulcrum?

I personally believe it will be the Green light for the Tories to privatise everything they see as being a liability to the public purse, N.H.S Prison Service. Fire Service and every single Public Sector Pension Pot.

Still I bet Franks Happy, Anyone heard from the old curmudgeon of Late!

Stevo_666

What a superb ****ing day 8)

Woke up to a full welsh brekky and plenty of tea while watching Ed Balls lose his seat, did some downhilling in Wales and turn the radio to hear we get a conservative overall majority with Labour left in chaos, the Lib Dems wiped off the electoral map and the SNP landslide counting for nout. Rock on.

For some reason this song keeps popping into my head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTWm0s7ZwDY

tim_wand

And there I was doubting your true blue credentials , Stevo. Being a Boro boy I thought you'd be a Red!

Stevo_666

tim wand wrote:

And there I was doubting your true blue credentials , Stevo. Being a Boro boy I thought you'd be a Red!

Just because I come from a place where they'd vote for a hat stand if it had a red rosette on it doesn't mean I'm going to be the same. But if your politics are determined by the colour of your footy team, that kind of makes sense - looks like I've backed two true blue winners in one week

Frank the tank

tim wand wrote:

So we now have a majority Conservative Government.

Does this mean 5 years of Shafting for the Working Man/ Woman whilst the Banks and Financial Institutions regain their grip on the land?

Or will it mean a stronger economy and a recovery which returns us to the top of the economic fulcrum?

I personally believe it will be the Green light for the Tories to privatise everything they see as being a liability to the public purse, N.H.S Prison Service. Fire Service and every single Public Sector Pension Pot.

Still I bet Franks Happy, Anyone heard from the old curmudgeon of Late!

I'm about as happy as a dead bird Tim, as you have alluded to.

I agree with you, public sector and the welfare system is going to feel the full unbridled effect of a tory party now "unhindered" by the constraints of the coalition with Lib/Dems.

For many this will very much appeal, others less so. Thing is Labour are now in such disarray and the opposition so fragmented I can't see the tories being ousted for a very long time.

tim_wand

They'll rape the public sector ( just like they did Royal Mail ) then try and take massive credit for reducing the public deficit with the little amount they return.

The other benefit they ll claim is it will cut immigration to zero. No one will want to come and live here except Russian Oligarchs.

Think I ll call it the Monaco model of politics.

Stevo_666

tim wand wrote:

They'll rape the public sector ( just like they did Royal Mail ) then try and take massive credit for reducing the public deficit with the little amount they return.

The other benefit they ll claim is it will cut immigration to zero. No one will want to come and live here except Russian Oligarchs.

Think I ll call it the Monaco model of politics.

I think I'll call it uninformed socialist generalisation

Actually what we need is more people like you and Frank who think that good old fashioned left wing politics is what the country needs because as long as Labour thinks that's the way to go, they will stay out of power. The last proper left wing government was elected in 1945. Go figure.

sungod

labour raped the public sector already - pfi, consultancy companies, directorships etc. - they've had their snouts and all four trotters in the trough for years

all the significant uk political parties, snp included, are thoroughly corrupted by big money, press barons, and the lust for power, the insignificant ones may or nor be corrupted but tend to be barking

no party has the guts to fix it, so i vote for the one least likely to raise my taxes - tory tory tory

i just hope the fruitcake wing of the party, supported by murdoch, the barclay brothers and various other anti-rights scum doesn't succeed in dragging us out of the eu

best outcome: get the eu referendum out of the way with a stay-in majority, then we don't need scotland anymore, let the snp nutters saw off the branch they're sitting on and presto the rest of us get back the 7-8 billion a year we pay for the snp to bribe their electorate with and we use it for the nhs instead

tim_wand

E.U referendum will be interesting. I think it will go the same way as the Scottish devoloution vote. There is a lot of Tub Thumping and bravado about leaving the E.U but when push comes to shove I believe that we know if we isolate ourselves then weve cut off our own nose to spite our face. Just look at the Eurovision no one votes for us even though we are usually the best act. Cant see them wanting to trade with us if we go solo. Merkel would make our lives a misery.

I do find it Very Ironic though, that having missed the chance to be Chieftans in their own country, the SNP now have the third biggest vote in Westminster, I m sure them and Labour will make merry hell for the Conservatives, Especially if their new leader makes sweeter overtures to them than Milliband did.

What chances a return for Gordon Brown, now that would cheer up the Scots.

Stevo_666

tim wand wrote:

E.U referendum will be interesting. I think it will go the same way as the Scottish devoloution vote. There is a lot of Tub Thumping and bravado about leaving the E.U but when push comes to shove I believe that we know if we isolate ourselves then weve cut off our own nose to spite our face. Just look at the Eurovision no one votes for us even though we are usually the best act. Cant see them wanting to trade with us if we go solo. Merkel would make our lives a misery.

I do find it Very Ironic though, that having missed the chance to be Chieftans in their own country, the SNP now have the third biggest vote in Westminster, I m sure them and Labour will make merry hell for the Conservatives, Especially if their new leader makes sweeter overtures to them than Milliband did.

What chances a return for Gordon Brown, now that would cheer up the Scots.

Companies don't stop trading with each other because their governments change their EU status. Otherwise there would not be the trade we see between Europe and USA/Asia/non EU parts of Europe like Switzerland and Norway - many of which don't seem to be unduly suffering despite never having been in the EU.

What it does do is gives Cameron a good opportunity to push through change in the EU to make it a bit more acceptable to the UK. The EU knows that if we leave the whole political project is holed below the waterline. Cameron can certainly campaign to stay in - provided the EU reforms itself a bit...

And how you think the Labour and SNP lot will make merry hell for the Conservatives when the have an overall majority I'm not sure. There's be lots of hot air and leftie bluster in commons debates but in the end they can't stop the laws being passed if they don't have enough votes. Thankfully

ai_1

Stevo 666 wrote:

...Companies don't stop trading with each other because their governments change their EU status. Otherwise there would not be the trade we see between Europe and USA/Asia/non EU parts of Europe like Switzerland and Norway - many of which don't seem to be unduly suffering despite never having been in the EU.

What it does do is gives Cameron a good opportunity to push through change in the EU to make it a bit more acceptable to the UK. The EU knows that if we leave the whole political project is holed below the waterline. Cameron can certainly campaign to stay in - provided the EU reforms itself a bit...

I doubt very much the UK will get much out of trying to bargain with the EU for deals based on the threat of leaving. There would need to be a unanimous vote by member states for anything significant and there's no way every other member state is going to agree to sweeten things for UK just to keep you in the club. I think you're overestimating the impact it would have on many member states and the EU as a whole if UK left. It would leave some member states, especially Ireland with some trading and migration issues where the simplicity of the EU arrangements would be lost and new border controls and financial mechanism would need to be put in place. Some states may well lobby to keep UK in but others wouldn't be too bothered.

Stevo_666

Ai_1 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

...Companies don't stop trading with each other because their governments change their EU status. Otherwise there would not be the trade we see between Europe and USA/Asia/non EU parts of Europe like Switzerland and Norway - many of which don't seem to be unduly suffering despite never having been in the EU.

What it does do is gives Cameron a good opportunity to push through change in the EU to make it a bit more acceptable to the UK. The EU knows that if we leave the whole political project is holed below the waterline. Cameron can certainly campaign to stay in - provided the EU reforms itself a bit...

I doubt very much the UK will get much out of trying to bargain with the EU for deals based on the threat of leaving. There would need to be a unanimous vote by member states for anything significant and there's no way every other member state is going to agree to sweeten things for UK just to keep you in the club. I think you're overestimating the impact it would have on many member states and the EU as a whole if UK left. It would leave some member states, especially Ireland with some trading and migration issues where the simplicity of the EU arrangements would be lost and new border controls and financial mechanism would need to be put in place. Some states may well lobby to keep UK in but others wouldn't be too bothered.

It's a complex one. But the current situation is the best leverage that we have.

The problem that the EU has is if a major long standing of the project drops out, it could create a domino effect. This was a political project that has no reverse gear, so when something like this happens it will have an unpredictable but probably major impact. Add to this the possibility of a 'Grexit' and the on-going structural issues within the EU, they are worried. Part of the unwillingness to give ground so far has been based on the point that once you do that, more concessions may be requested and others are likely to ask for a better deal. However when there is a real threat of the UK leaving, they may be forced to react.

We'll see.

tim_wand

Okay the Tories have a majority but they have never been big ones as a party for following the Whip. And I m sure a few defections could eat into that majority, the only thing they have going for them is there's no fecker left to defect too! Cant see the UKIP drinking club holding out without Nige! (thank god )

Stevo_666

tim wand wrote:

the only thing they have going for them is there's no fecker left to defect too!

Good point, why defect to a bunch of losers? :P

rick_chasey

Looks like snooper charter will be push through.

tangled_metal

I heard a commonsense analysis of the EU renegotiation. It basically the said it was not as bleak a prospect as I thought it was. First off Merkel is interested in certain reforms, indeed she wants some of the ones Cameron wants but has no other ally in these reforms other than UK.

Stevo_666

Tangled Metal wrote:

I heard a commonsense analysis of the EU renegotiation. It basically the said it was not as bleak a prospect as I thought it was. First off Merkel is interested in certain reforms, indeed she wants some of the ones Cameron wants but has no other ally in these reforms other than UK.

True. At least Cameron now has the mandate ti get on with it. Good luck to him - let's see how well he does.

tim_wand

Rick Chasey wrote:

Looks like snooper charter will be push through.

You applying for a job Ric. Wouldn't fancy it myself hanging about on internet waiting to see if any one says anything inflammatory. What are the trigger words? Commuters?

Stevo_666

tim wand wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Looks like snooper charter will be push through.

You applying for a job Ric. Wouldn't fancy it myself hanging about on internet waiting to see if any one says anything inflammatory. What are the trigger words? Commuters?

veronese68

tim wand wrote:

Cant see the UKIP drinking club holding out without Nige! (thank god )

U turn from him, he's withdrawn his resignation because they can't cope without him. :?

Stevo_666

Veronese68 wrote:

tim wand wrote:

Cant see the UKIP drinking club holding out without Nige! (thank god )

U turn from him, he's withdrawn his resignation because they can't cope without him. :?

Not sure why anyone cares, they've only got 1 MP so are even less relevant politically than the Lib Dems.