Ban these drones.

ademort
ademort Posts: 1,924
edited December 2014 in The cake stop
After a report in the press about a near miss involving an Airbus 300 coming in to land and almost colliding with a Drone over heathrow airport i feel thats its only a matter of time before a disaster occurs.The pilot reported that he encountered the drone at a height of 200 metres and immediately informed ATC. Ban these Drones now before a real disatser occurs.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,407
    Are these the drones that we are looking for?
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  • blu3cat
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    Don't foget to ban kites and RC Helicopters and planes as well.
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  • ai_1
    ai_1 Posts: 3,060
    Ignorant knee-jerk reaction.

    Do you want to ban all drones? Or just amateur enthusiast ones?
    Why do you think that would make a difference? Is it their sale or just their use that you want to ban? How would this be enforced?
  • ademort
    ademort Posts: 1,924
    Ai_1 wrote:
    Ignorant knee-jerk reaction.

    Do you want to ban all drones? Or just amateur enthusiast ones?
    Why do you think that would make a difference? Is it their sale or just their use that you want to ban? How would this be enforced?

    The amateur enthusiast ones.If thats not possible then introduce an exclusion zone near airports.
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  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,851
    There already is a no fly zone around airports for unauthorised traffic isn't there? Just needs extending to cover unmanned flight.
    If only the pesky birds would adhere to it.
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  • VTech
    VTech Posts: 4,736
    This is actually a very simple fix.
    There is already laws in place not allowing anyone (me included :mrgreen: ) to fly within a certain distance of an international airport so why not increase the restrictions to drones.
    It is common sense that you wouldn't fly within this area but I do think we need a law to back this common sense up.
    it would be a very simple addition to an already very successful and well adopted law.
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  • ai_1
    ai_1 Posts: 3,060
    ademort wrote:
    Ai_1 wrote:
    Ignorant knee-jerk reaction.

    Do you want to ban all drones? Or just amateur enthusiast ones?
    Why do you think that would make a difference? Is it their sale or just their use that you want to ban? How would this be enforced?

    The amateur enthusiast ones.If thats not possible then introduce an exclusion zone near airports.
    This already exists.
    I flew radio controlled aircraft for years and there was such a restriction in relation to them which I'm pretty certain also applies to other UAVs. There is an existing altitude ceiling and exclusion proximity to airports for craft not subject to ATC. Unfortunately, since this technology is now so easily accessible there are plenty people involved who don't know what they're doing. A ban won't suddenly cure this.
  • markhewitt1978
    markhewitt1978 Posts: 7,614
    That's the point isn't it, 'normal' RC aircraft take some skill to fly so it's only the more - erm - clued up, people who are flying them, often aviation enthusiasts who wouldn't dream of getting in the way of commercial airliners.

    Drones give your average knuckle dragger a chance to have a go, with predictable results.
  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770
    If I may throw my four penneth worth in.
    The problem is that these drones are accessible to anyone with enough cash to buy one. Nobody in the press has whether there exists a terrorist threat. If Amazon are exploring the use of them to deliver parcels. Then it stands to reason that they could be used to carry explosive ordnance across an airfield to a static aircraft or one about to land or take-off.
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  • markhewitt1978
    markhewitt1978 Posts: 7,614
    That doesn't just apply to airfields. Anything is subject to targeting in that way.
  • ai_1
    ai_1 Posts: 3,060
    Mr Goo wrote:
    If I may throw my four penneth worth in.
    The problem is that these drones are accessible to anyone with enough cash to buy one. Nobody in the press has whether there exists a terrorist threat. If Amazon are exploring the use of them to deliver parcels. Then it stands to reason that they could be used to carry explosive ordnance across an airfield to a static aircraft or one about to land or take-off.
    The main threat of terrorism has already been realised. Fear has pervaded society's view of virtually everything in the US and apparently in large chunks of the rest of the "West". Just because something could possibly be used maliciously doesn't mean we should be throwing blanket bans on stuff left, right and centre.
  • arthur_scrimshaw
    arthur_scrimshaw Posts: 2,596
    Ai_1 wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    If I may throw my four penneth worth in.
    The problem is that these drones are accessible to anyone with enough cash to buy one. Nobody in the press has whether there exists a terrorist threat. If Amazon are exploring the use of them to deliver parcels. Then it stands to reason that they could be used to carry explosive ordnance across an airfield to a static aircraft or one about to land or take-off.
    The main threat of terrorism has already been realised. Fear has pervaded society's view of virtually everything in the US and apparently in large chunks of the rest of the "West". Just because something could possibly be used maliciously doesn't mean we should be throwing blanket bans on stuff left, right and centre.

    Absolutely - watch Bowling for Columbine for confirmation of this.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,107
    Some common sense regulations on restricting where they can be flown and perhaps on their size. A toy weighing a kilo is one thing but when does a toy become an unmanned aircraft flown by an amateur in an urban area ?

    I think if these things really became a nuisance perhaps a market for jammers might spring up - if the neighbours were disturbing your Sunday then just bring their aircraft down - perhaps home missile defence systems are the future?
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  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Mr Goo wrote:
    If I may throw my four penneth worth in.
    The problem is that these drones are accessible to anyone with enough cash to buy one. Nobody in the press has whether there exists a terrorist threat. If Amazon are exploring the use of them to deliver parcels. Then it stands to reason that they could be used to carry explosive ordnance across an airfield to a static aircraft or one about to land or take-off.

    Imagine a drone fitted with Muslamic rayguns. Someone really should think of the children!
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Man what ignorance! Don't you know they use trained crows to carry the explosives in this country?!!! They're volunteers to be martyred and go to heaven with... jihadist crows are more dangerous than drones!!!! :D
  • pblakeney
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    I thought it was giant ants?
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Nah Mate, Crows.

    (Ever seen that documentary Four lions? :wink: )

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Lions
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,407
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Nah Mate, Crows.

    (Ever seen that documentary Four lions? :wink: )

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Lions
    Fair point.
    I was thinking of the "Mail" front page.
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  • Daz555
    Daz555 Posts: 3,976
    ademort wrote:
    After a report in the press about a near miss involving an Airbus 300 coming in to land and almost colliding with a Drone over heathrow airport i feel thats its only a matter of time before a disaster occurs.The pilot reported that he encountered the drone at a height of 200 metres and immediately informed ATC. Ban these Drones now before a real disatser occurs.
    Feels like a bit of a knee-jerk reaction. How many flights per year? How many hobby RC flying aircraft of all kinds are flown every year? How many incidents?

    I doubt the call for a ban on one particular type of RC aircraft will stand up to analysis.
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  • southdownswolf
    southdownswolf Posts: 1,525
    A guy did a video of the Eastbourne Parkrun on Saturday using a drone, they do have their uses.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkydnpdqIio
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  • ai_1
    ai_1 Posts: 3,060
    southdownswolf wrote:
    A guy did a video of the Eastbourne Parkrun on Saturday using a drone, they do have their uses.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkydnpdqIio
    Currently they're only really used for military and media purposes and as a hobby but they have huge number of other potential practical uses that are in the process of being developed. Transportation of lightweight packages over short to medium distances is one of the main ones. e.g. commercial parcel delivery as proposed by Amazon and others or say transporting medical materials in emergencies. Let's say a paramedic at a roadside accident needs to get a sample to a lab ASAP - a UAV would be the ideal solution.

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