OPQS the only world tour team still using proper casquettes?

neeb

MountainMonster wrote:

I think you need to reevaluate what is happening in your life if baseball caps are enough to be 'hated with a vengeance'. Either that, or your life sucks.

I think you need to reevaluate your politeness and maturity.

rolf_f

MountainMonster wrote:

I think you need to reevaluate what is happening in your life if baseball caps are enough to be 'hated with a vengeance'. Either that, or your life sucks.

Surely if you can be bothered to be upset about a baseball cap then your life must be very good indeed. I think that people whose life sucks have more important things to worry about. Clearly you are very unhappy! And confused!

MountainMonster

neeb wrote:

MountainMonster wrote:

I think you need to reevaluate what is happening in your life if baseball caps are enough to be 'hated with a vengeance'. Either that, or your life sucks.

I think you need to reevaluate your politeness and maturity.

Maturity That brought a smile to my face. I'm a very polite guy, ask any of my colleagues or family. I just tell things how they are. I just never understand vast overreactions about things that are trivial. I mean really, you can hate someone with a vengeance if they killed your parents, but baseball caps, really?

Rolf F wrote:

MountainMonster wrote:

I think you need to reevaluate what is happening in your life if baseball caps are enough to be 'hated with a vengeance'. Either that, or your life sucks.

Surely if you can be bothered to be upset about a baseball cap then your life must be very good indeed. I think that people whose life sucks have more important things to worry about. Clearly you are very unhappy! And confused!

That is a very valid point! I just like living my life without worry, too many people fret, and wind themselves up about, trivial things. That's why i'm a happy chappy

neeb

MountainMonster wrote:

neeb wrote:

MountainMonster wrote:

I think you need to reevaluate what is happening in your life if baseball caps are enough to be 'hated with a vengeance'. Either that, or your life sucks.

I think you need to reevaluate your politeness and maturity.

Maturity That brought a smile to my face. I'm a very polite guy, ask any of my colleagues or family. I just tell things how they are. I just never understand vast overreactions about things that are trivial. I mean really, you can hate someone with a vengeance if they killed your parents, but baseball caps, really?

FFS, it's a figure of speech / relative, as shouldn't really need to be explained... Of course no-one really hates baseball caps with a vengeance in the way they might hate world poverty or fascism, but you can "hate" yogurt or polo shirts or hip hop music "with a vengeance". The phrase is commonly used in English to mean a strong negative reaction relative/appropriate to a particular context. You are suppose to figure that out.. :roll:

It's a real pain sometimes when you come on here to have a good banter about something and there is always someone who feels a need to be insulting just for the sake of it.

MountainMonster

neeb wrote:

MountainMonster wrote:

neeb wrote:

MountainMonster wrote:

I think you need to reevaluate what is happening in your life if baseball caps are enough to be 'hated with a vengeance'. Either that, or your life sucks.

I think you need to reevaluate your politeness and maturity.

Maturity That brought a smile to my face. I'm a very polite guy, ask any of my colleagues or family. I just tell things how they are. I just never understand vast overreactions about things that are trivial. I mean really, you can hate someone with a vengeance if they killed your parents, but baseball caps, really?

FFS, it's a figure of speech / relative, as shouldn't really need to be explained... Of course no-one really hates baseball caps with a vengeance in the way they might hate world poverty or fascism, but you can "hate" yogurt or polo shirts or hip hop music "with a vengeance". The phrase is commonly used in English to mean a strong negative reaction relative/appropriate to a particular context. You are suppose to figure that out.. :roll:

It's a real pain sometimes when you come on here to have a good banter about something and there is always someone who feels a need to be insulting just for the sake of it.

How was I directly insulting? Figures of speechs area great. I just don't believe in them. I believe in saying it as it is, if I hate something I hate it, but I don't use the word if it doesn't fit. Maybe i'm just in the minority.

Some people need thicker skin if they think I have been insulting.

neeb

MountainMonster wrote:

How was I directly insulting? Figures of speechs area great. I just don't believe in them. I believe in saying it as it is, if I hate something I hate it, but I don't use the word if it doesn't fit. Maybe i'm just in the minority.

Some people need thicker skin if they think I have been insulting.

Thing is, that's not how communication works - you can't just decide that you "just don't believe" in figures of speech and then use that as an excuse to interpret something that someone said to mean something they obviously didn't intend... That would be obviously stupid. And of course I'm not being directly insulting by saying so..

You can't be "in a minority" when it comes to how you interpret commonly understood idioms, or at least you can't justify choosing to be so.. The logical outcome of that would be that I could choose to interpret "brake cable" to mean "your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries"..

MountainMonster

neeb wrote:

MountainMonster wrote:

How was I directly insulting? Figures of speechs area great. I just don't believe in them. I believe in saying it as it is, if I hate something I hate it, but I don't use the word if it doesn't fit. Maybe i'm just in the minority.

Some people need thicker skin if they think I have been insulting.

Thing is, that's not how communication works - you can't just decide that you "just don't believe" in figures of speech and then use that as an excuse to interpret something that someone said to mean something they obviously didn't intend... That would be obviously stupid. And of course I'm not being directly insulting by saying so..

You can't be "in a minority" when it comes to how you interpret commonly understood idioms, or at least you can't justify choosing to be so.. The logical outcome of that would be that I could choose to interpret "brake cable" to mean "your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries"..

How did you know my mother was a hamster? Grandma, is that you?

Well, somehow, all of my friends and family don't use figures of speech, they say what they mean. So we must be in the minority

debeli

I often ride in a casquette (whch I used to call a cotton cap) and it is a thing of wonder.

The peak is adjustable for the sun and you can smother it with water and derive great benefit from the cooling evapouration on a hot day.

However... the powers have decided that racers must now wear a helmet.

To my mind, that puts the traditional cyclist's casquette in the same bracket as flying helmets on F1 drivers and loose-fitting cotton singlets on athletes.

It's fun to wear them on a ride (and on a club TT if the rules allow it) but they are no more a part of pro-cycling today than rat cages or downtube-mounted gearlevers... or indeed steel frames or woollen shorts for that matter.

neeb

Debeli wrote:

but they are no more a part of pro-cycling today than rat cages or downtube-mounted gearlevers... or indeed steel frames or woollen shorts for that matter.

And yet the riders wear baseball caps. Just seems a shame to me when casquettes are so much better looking (objectively, obviously.. ) and come with all the history.

But I'd best shut up about it before someone else accuses me of being on a mission...

rolf_f

I've just seen a great deal on cycling caps - go here, you won't be disappointed; www.neebscasquettes.co.uk.

Old_Timer

Your link doesn't go through for me, a google search turned up this thread, would you mind checking the url you listed, please?

greasedscotsman

When I see this...



It just reminds me of this...

kingstonian

Old_Timer wrote:

Your link doesn't go through for me, a google search turned up this thread, would you mind checking the url you listed, please?

you know it was a joke url, right?

rolf_f

greasedscotsman wrote:

When I see this...



It just reminds me of this...

Lol - you are treading dangerous ground there - think of the millions of gruesome baseball cap wearing images that are lurking out there in the internet!

rolf_f

Kingstonian wrote:

Old_Timer wrote:

Your link doesn't go through for me, a google search turned up this thread, would you mind checking the url you listed, please?

you know it was a joke url, right?

Slightly scuppered by the dreaded 'new page' syndrome!

greasedscotsman

Rolf F wrote:

Lol - you are treading dangerous ground there - think of the millions of gruesome baseball cap wearing images that are lurking out there in the internet!

Good point. Maybe I'll stick with the fez whilst on the podium...

neeb

Rolf F wrote:

Lol - you are treading dangerous ground there - think of the millions of gruesome baseball cap wearing images that are lurking out there in the internet!

Quite... And even a few gruesome ones without the baseball cap!

neeb

Sheldon Brown of course had something to say on the matter, as with everything else:

http://sheldonbrown.com/org//hats.html

Pross

Cricket has lost its traditional headwear of baggy cap or floppy sunhat due to the dreaded baseball cap. Unusually we have to be grateful to the Aussies for keeping the traditional head gear alive at all. I'm sure a baseball cap is more suitable (lighter, more comfortable, shades the eyes better) but it takes away some tradition. The increasing use in cycling could also take away some identity / tradition and there doesn't really seem to be a practical reason for it.

Old_Timer

Rolf F wrote:

Kingstonian wrote:

Old_Timer wrote:

Your link doesn't go through for me, a google search turned up this thread, would you mind checking the url you listed, please?

you know it was a joke url, right?

Slightly scuppered by the dreaded 'new page' syndrome!

:oops: , I've been had by my dreaded "nonthinking relpy syndrome" once again. :roll:

mfin

Things change, bikes look completely different, clothes do, so who cares, especially about what riders wear when they are off the bike. I expect if you gave a lot of riders the choice of wearing a traditional cycling cap or nothing, they'd choose nothing, a lot of people think it's nigh on impossible to look like anything but a dick when wearing one, and some will think the same about baseball caps, or both.

rolf_f

Pross wrote:

Cricket has lost its traditional headwear of baggy cap or floppy sunhat due to the dreaded baseball cap. Unusually we have to be grateful to the Aussies for keeping the traditional head gear alive at all. I'm sure a baseball cap is more suitable (lighter, more comfortable, shades the eyes better) but it takes away some tradition. The increasing use in cycling could also take away some identity / tradition and there doesn't really seem to be a practical reason for it.

I can't help thinking that a floppy sunhat with a brim all round is far more suitable than a baseball cap for standing around outdoors in. How useful is a baseball cap at protecting your neck?

Pross

True, after all the baseball cap was designed for people who already have red necks

goonz

Casquettes are a stylish part of cycling lore. They need to be kept alive simple as.

philwint

Cycling caps perform three very important functions:

1. The keep the Yorkshire rain out of my eyes better than anything else I've found
2. They work very well as a temporary handkerchief when mopping my brow
3. They serve to cause my teenage daughter extreme embarrassment the moment I put one on my head in her presence

As such, i move they be retained as an important part of the cycling armoury

buzzwold

Aaaaargh. Here we go again.

1. I'm not a fan of baseball caps
2. I'm not a fan of casquettes

At no point has anyone looked good wearing either item. The cultural argument doesn't bear scrutiny - casquettes were replacement for the flatcaps of pre war. They were better than the things that they replaced and were in effect replaced by helmets. We replaced the other items of clothing with things that were better.

They primarily exist in the pro peloton as other headgear stuck on after the finish of the game as they do in other sports, to be a billboard for sponsorship. (and incidentally as I believe hs been mentioned to tidy up the hair). Anyone think after several hours of racing in a helmet you want anything on your head apart from a towel.

Pross

buzzwold wrote:

Aaaaargh. Here we go again.

1. I'm not a fan of baseball caps
2. I'm not a fan of casquettes

At no point has anyone looked good wearing either item. The cultural argument doesn't bear scrutiny - casquettes were replacement for the flatcaps of pre war. They were better than the things that they replaced and were in effect replaced by helmets. We replaced the other items of clothing with things that were better.

They primarily exist in the pro peloton as other headgear stuck on after the finish of the game as they do in other sports, to be a billboard for sponsorship. (and incidentally as I believe hs been mentioned to tidy up the hair). Anyone think after several hours of racing in a helmet you want anything on your head apart from a towel.

No they weren't. The purpose of a cap is to provide protection from rain / spray / sun (as well as being a billboard as you say). A helmet is to protect from impact and the two are even now still worn together. Why not keep something that can be easily identified with a particular sport rather than go for something generic that doesn't provide any obvious benefit?

IanRCarter

buzzwold wrote:

Anyone think after several hours of racing in a helmet you want anything on your head apart from a towel.

Going onto the podium with a towel over your head would make you look a bit crazy, and, I'm sure if somebody did then the towel would probably have the logos of an expensive, slightly snobbish, cycling apparel brand, a satellite broadcaster and a film studio on it anyway so it would still be a billboard.