Energy drinks, gels and bars
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NeXXus wrote:Do you ever tell your customers they don't need new wheels built?
All the time and I do mean it!
I am not blaming companies for playing all the tricks of the trade... they make their stuff, they try to sell it... fair enough... but I am aware they do and having little money, I try to avoid spending it on things that are nothing more than glorified water or glorified flapjacks. If someone asks for advice, that's my advice, if you are better informed and have better evidence, fair enough... getting personal about an energy drink is almost as stupid as arguing about chain lubricants...
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Iamnot Wiggins wrote:Don't believe everything you see, Ugo. I don't need a massive TV but fear didn't make me buy it, I bought it because I wanted it! Same for a carbon bike, for example.
Off topic, but as you mention it... it's not fear that make us buy technology or toys. They exploit the "child that is in you" and always wants the latest...
Have you seen the program? It's really good... and I bet even better on your mega screen!left the forum March 20230 -
Loving the irony here....
"Don't believe the media hype" - according to a programme on a mainstream TV channel made by 'Fresh One TV' - Jamie Oliver's production company. Another example of people opting to believe what they're most comfortable with....0 -
Imposter wrote:Loving the irony here....
"Don't believe the media hype" - according to a programme on a mainstream TV channel made by 'Fresh One TV' - Jamie Oliver's production company. Another example of people opting to believe what they're most comfortable with....
Did I say "don't believe the media hype?" I said that hydration as a concept is abused and hyped by the industry that sell drinks.
TV programs are always biased ina way or another... I found this very interesting (probably biased) and some facts are just what they are... facts... have you seen it, or you are just trying to throw more logs on a fire without having anything else useful to add?left the forum March 20230 -
ugo.santalucia wrote:or you are just trying to throw more logs on a fire without having anything else useful to add?
Hang on - I thought that's what you were doing? I just enjoy calling people out when their arguments don't stack up. But that'll probably do, because as you say, it's off topic....0 -
Imposter wrote:Hang on - I thought that's what you were doing? I just enjoy calling people out when their arguments don't stack up. But that'll probably do, because as you say, it's off topic....
Imposter, I made a point, you haven't... guess who is arguing for the sake of it? I think you are inthe yellow
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I just hate all the media advertising and hype (also throw in religion too for good measure). Every time an advert comes on TV I think to msyelf "irrelevant!".
Why can't people just think for themselves and make their own mind up without resorting to 'someone/thing else told me what is good/bad/the thing to do'?
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Ugo - I'm not the one posting pretty pictures though. Earlier, you indicated that hydration was 'over-hyped' and that the urine colour test was a marketing ploy by Gatorade - neither of which is actually true. The days of riding up Mont Ventoux with nothing more than a flask of brandy and a couple of amphetamines are long gone, in case you hadn't realised.
Most of your comments in this thread have been in the green area, incidentally...0 -
Imposter wrote:Most of your comments in this thread have been in the green area, incidentally...
I am happy with that... most of internet talk is in the green area... opinions. But you should reply with the cyano area, not the yellow!left the forum March 20230 -
I would have thought water/hydration is a pretty good thing to be hoodwinked into buying if it makes you drink/take more of it
Ugo, you seem to be the one taking this very personally from what I have read.
If we are going to talk/argue about being brainwashed into buying something, could it not at least be Specialized bikes.
Loads of people seem to buy them for no apparent reason than other people have them.
Newbies seem to have knowledge of them being 'very good' before they have even bought one or had a bike.0 -
ugo.santalucia wrote:Carbonator wrote:
Why do so many people on here think all these companies are only out to con us, rather than that they are just/also trying to make a great product or offer a good service for our benefit and their income?
Because they are... There is overwhelming evidence that companies indirectly sponsor medicine in return for alarming campaigns that create a need for their products.
Have a look at that enlightening BBC series "the men who made us spend". Fear is one of the key drivers used to make you buy stuff you don't need.
So Oakleys are not great glasses and Dysons good hovers, er, vacuum cleaners?0 -
Carbonator wrote:So Oakleys are not great glasses and Dysons good hovers, er, vacuum cleaners?
Compared to what?
I think the point is not getting across... tap water is free and it's great! Energy drink cost money and don't do much more (arguably they do less).
What's the free equivalent of a vacuum cleaner, this?
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My post was about companies doing/making things well and then getting slagged of because their products cost more.
Whether energy/hydration stuff is any good is debatable but some companies must do a better job than others.
Water is not free and most people would add something to it anyway, which is also not free.
Mars bars, bananas and flapjacks etc. are also not free so specific nutrition products are not that different IMO.
The thing that always pops it's head up with you haters is cost, but cost is irrelevant.
If I want to spend £1 on an energy bar instead of 12.5p on a McVities Medley bar then that's my fcuking choice and I am not even slightly a mug for doing it.0 -
Carbonator wrote:My post was about companies doing/making things well and then getting slagged of because their products cost more.
OK, mine was not about that... :?left the forum March 20230 -
ugo.santalucia wrote:Iamnot Wiggins wrote:Don't believe everything you see, Ugo. I don't need a massive TV but fear didn't make me buy it, I bought it because I wanted it! Same for a carbon bike, for example.
Off topic, but as you mention it... it's not fear that make us buy technology or toys. They exploit the "child that is in you" and always wants the latest...
Have you seen the program? It's really good... and I bet even better on your mega screen!
I haven't seen that particular one but I have seen others in that series. The Men Who Made Us Fat was a very interesting watch.0 -
Carbonator wrote:My post was about companies doing/making things well and then getting slagged of because their products cost more.
Whether energy/hydration stuff is any good is debatable but some companies must do a better job than others.
Water is not free and most people would add something to it anyway, which is also not free.
Mars bars, bananas and flapjacks etc. are also not free so specific nutrition products are not that different IMO.
The thing that always pops it's head up with you haters is cost, but cost is irrelevant.
If I want to spend £1 on an energy bar instead of 12.5p on a McVities Medley bar then that's my fcuking choice and I am not even slightly a mug for doing it.
I think if you cost tap water against prepared drinks you'll realize that tap water is as good as free. Even adding diluting juice and perhaps some hydration salts and it will still be very cheap comparatively.
I also suspect that if you cost the calories in a mars bar against a sports focused energy bar you'll realize you're paying a lot.
It is your choice, I can't argue with that. As for being gullible enough to believe the hype spouted by the manufacturers......0 -
Navrig2 wrote:Carbonator wrote:My post was about companies doing/making things well and then getting slagged of because their products cost more.
Whether energy/hydration stuff is any good is debatable but some companies must do a better job than others.
Water is not free and most people would add something to it anyway, which is also not free.
Mars bars, bananas and flapjacks etc. are also not free so specific nutrition products are not that different IMO.
The thing that always pops it's head up with you haters is cost, but cost is irrelevant.
If I want to spend £1 on an energy bar instead of 12.5p on a McVities Medley bar then that's my fcuking choice and I am not even slightly a mug for doing it.
I think if you cost tap water against prepared drinks you'll realize that tap water is as good as free. Even adding diluting juice and perhaps some hydration salts and it will still be very cheap comparatively.
I also suspect that if you cost the calories in a mars bar against a sports focused energy bar you'll realize you're paying a lot.
It is your choice, I can't argue with that. As for being gullible enough to believe the hype spouted by the manufacturers......
What hype is this? Cannot say I have read or heard any :roll:
I have bought various energy/hydration/recovery stuff and tried them. No one told me to.
Gullibility has nothing to do with it.
I had quite a few today. Did a longish fast'ish ride. SIS banana bar was bliss and I cannot think of a 'normal' snack I would have rather had.
Did the ride about 5% faster than ever before, it was a gorgeous day, and I came home happy.
"Paying a lot"? Do not think so. Was great value as far as I am concerned
All this boils down to it seems is that I am happy to spend more on cycle snacks than you.
Get over it lol.
I could have had a really expensive lunch afterwards. Would you comment on the content or cost of that?0 -
Carbonator wrote:I had quite a few today. Did a longish fast'ish ride. SIS banana bar was bliss and I cannot think of a 'normal' snack I would have rather had.
I could have had a really expensive lunch afterwards. Would you comment on the content or cost of that?
Look, in summer I cycle something close to 1,000 miles a month. If I snacked on a Clif Bar (to name one) every 20 miles, like I see many folks doing, that would be 50 Clif Bars a month, which if my maths are correct, it's roughly 60 pounds. Then there is the High 5 (to name one)... if I drank a bottle of it every 30 miles like you folks do, that's another 40 quid a month or so in energy drinks... so that's 100 quid a month... maybe for you it's nothing, but I do the weekly food shopping with that money...left the forum March 20230 -
I had probably about a fivers worth today but thats very unusual.
Personally I use them sparingly and prefer mainly natural/ordinary/real food/drink most of the time.
I did not have that expensive lunch out either.
I think they have their place, but you are right, they do get used unnecessarily, and that is expensive.
The odd gel or bar etc. now and then is no more unnecessary than someone sitting at their desk eating a KitKat IMO though.0 -
Carbonator wrote:I had probably about a fivers worth today but thats very unusual.
Personally I use them sparingly and prefer mainly natural/ordinary/real food/drink most of the time.
I did not have that expensive lunch out either.
I think they have their place, but you are right, they do get used unnecessarily, and that is expensive.
The odd gel or bar etc. now and then is no more unnecessary than someone sitting at their desk eating a KitKat IMO though.
That was the gist of my earlier post on this thread. Keep the products for when you really need them and eat as near normal stuff as possible.0 -
Its the best plan. I overdid it today
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ugo.santalucia wrote:Carbonator wrote:I had quite a few today. Did a longish fast'ish ride. SIS banana bar was bliss and I cannot think of a 'normal' snack I would have rather had.
I could have had a really expensive lunch afterwards. Would you comment on the content or cost of that?
Look, in summer I cycle something close to 1,000 miles a month. If I snacked on a Clif Bar (to name one) every 20 miles, like I see many folks doing, that would be 50 Clif Bars a month, which if my maths are correct, it's roughly 60 pounds. Then there is the High 5 (to name one)... if I drank a bottle of it every 30 miles like you folks do, that's another 40 quid a month or so in energy drinks... so that's 100 quid a month... maybe for you it's nothing, but I do the weekly food shopping with that money...
Unrelated, but how does anyone drink High 5? It's vile.2012 Cube Agree GTC0 -
Have a decent breakfast I found gets you on a good footing
Bananas, cereal bars
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birdie23 wrote:Unrelated, but how does anyone drink High 5? It's vile.
The younger generations have bizarre taste... how do you explain the success of Red Bull? I tried it once and nearly choked!left the forum March 20230 -
I dont mind the citrus High 5 tabs and the SIS equivalent. Just started using the robinsons squashd stuff which actually tastes nice and makes a change to water.Life isnt like a box of chocolates, its like a bag of pic n mix.0
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ugo.santalucia wrote:birdie23 wrote:Unrelated, but how does anyone drink High 5? It's vile.
The younger generations have bizarre taste... how do you explain the success of Red Bull? I tried it once and nearly choked!
I've never tasted it. The smell makes me gag.0 -
Just heard Sean Kelly on Eurosport saying that staying hydrated is very important.
What an idiot.Bianchi Intenso Athena
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TheHound wrote:Just heard Sean Kelly on Eurosport saying that staying hydrated is very important.
What an idiot.
He's obviously fallen for Gatorade's marketing hype....0 -
Imposter wrote:TheHound wrote:Just heard Sean Kelly on Eurosport saying that staying hydrated is very important.
What an idiot.
He's obviously fallen for Gatorade's marketing hype....
There is no such hype. All these hydration drinks and energy snax are entirely founded on scientific research. Evry company which sells them tells the truth, doesn't over market and has no interest in making a profit from sales.0 -
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