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  • StillGoing
    StillGoing Posts: 5,211
    mfin wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Got the number? Report him for assault and/or poss dangerous driving...

    Yes, that sounds like it would be a valuable use of police time.

    You think that reporting an assault and dangerous driving would be a waste of police time..?

    I like the way you think. Please PM your address to me, so I can come round and burgle your house.

    Assault? Throwing an apple core at someone might just about qualify for a ticking off by a teacher in a primary school. Dangerous driving? I don't think it was mentioned that he was doing that, unless throwing the apple was being 'not in control of the vehicle', if you reported everyone you saw with a phone or eating or whatever you'd be in the police station all day.

    The bloke was a tw@t for doing it, that's it. The poor old police have enough time wasters to deal with, plus endless paperwork, noone's got hurt, only a time waster would report it.

    Oh and home burglary is quite a serious crime, they keep figures on it, I don't think they do with apple core throwing as yet.

    Actually, it is an assault and battery. The assault is the action of causing the apprehension of being struck and the battery the strike itself. Throwing any object at someone is an assault. If it then hits them it becomes both. The level of injury sustained, if any, would then escalate the offence from s.39 common assault all the way up to s18 wounding with intent. Whilst there would be insufficient evidence to prosecute the driver unless he doorstep confessed to the allegation, it might clip his wings and prevent him doing it again. It may be there has already been one allegation of him throwing things at cyclists from his van and this second allegation would be enough for the CPS to prefer charges. Two unconnected victims with a similar modus operandi would be sufficient to secure a conviction.
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  • StillGoing
    StillGoing Posts: 5,211
    Old_Timer wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Got the number? Report him for assault and/or poss dangerous driving...

    Yes, that sounds like it would be a valuable use of police time.

    Seems that reporting him to the police and maybe stopping this idiot before he nails some cyclist with worse than an apple core and causing an accident is a good use of "valuable" police efforts and time.

    That would be valuable time if they used it in that manner. Unfortunately traffic police tend to hang around in their vans playing Call of Duty with each other on laptops, leaving their speed monitoring equipment do its thing. There isnt much physical effort involved in traffic policing.

    Yes of course they do. :roll:
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  • johnny25
    johnny25 Posts: 344
    philthy3 wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Got the number? Report him for assault and/or poss dangerous driving...

    Yes, that sounds like it would be a valuable use of police time.

    You think that reporting an assault and dangerous driving would be a waste of police time..?

    I like the way you think. Please PM your address to me, so I can come round and burgle your house.

    Assault? Throwing an apple core at someone might just about qualify for a ticking off by a teacher in a primary school. Dangerous driving? I don't think it was mentioned that he was doing that, unless throwing the apple was being 'not in control of the vehicle', if you reported everyone you saw with a phone or eating or whatever you'd be in the police station all day.

    The bloke was a tw@t for doing it, that's it. The poor old police have enough time wasters to deal with, plus endless paperwork, noone's got hurt, only a time waster would report it.

    Oh and home burglary is quite a serious crime, they keep figures on it, I don't think they do with apple core throwing as yet.

    Actually, it is an assault and battery. The assault is the action of causing the apprehension of being struck and the battery the strike itself. Throwing any object at someone is an assault. If it then hits them it becomes both. The level of injury sustained, if any, would then escalate the offence from s.39 common assault all the way up to s18 wounding with intent. Whilst there would be insufficient evidence to prosecute the driver unless he doorstep confessed to the allegation, it might clip his wings and prevent him doing it again. It may be there has already been one allegation of him throwing things at cyclists from his van and this second allegation would be enough for the CPS to prefer charges. Two unconnected victims with a similar modus operandi would be sufficient to secure a conviction.

    Yes it is quite clearly an assault. Evidentially though, you'd struggle to get successful prosecution unless the clown admitted throwing the apple.
  • on-yer-bike
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    Lets hope he dies from a long slow painful death. I met a cyclist who had been whipped by some c**ts in a pick up truck whilst riding the Castle 100. He had large red welts on his leg. Round here some cyclists out training caused some bulls to stampede due to aggressive behavior towards the the farmer and his bulls who were having to use the road to transfer to another field. And, because it was in the local paper drivers have become even more hostile towards cyclists.
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  • StillGoing
    StillGoing Posts: 5,211
    johnny25 wrote:
    philthy3 wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Got the number? Report him for assault and/or poss dangerous driving...

    Yes, that sounds like it would be a valuable use of police time.

    You think that reporting an assault and dangerous driving would be a waste of police time..?

    I like the way you think. Please PM your address to me, so I can come round and burgle your house.

    Assault? Throwing an apple core at someone might just about qualify for a ticking off by a teacher in a primary school. Dangerous driving? I don't think it was mentioned that he was doing that, unless throwing the apple was being 'not in control of the vehicle', if you reported everyone you saw with a phone or eating or whatever you'd be in the police station all day.

    The bloke was a tw@t for doing it, that's it. The poor old police have enough time wasters to deal with, plus endless paperwork, noone's got hurt, only a time waster would report it.

    Oh and home burglary is quite a serious crime, they keep figures on it, I don't think they do with apple core throwing as yet.

    Actually, it is an assault and battery. The assault is the action of causing the apprehension of being struck and the battery the strike itself. Throwing any object at someone is an assault. If it then hits them it becomes both. The level of injury sustained, if any, would then escalate the offence from s.39 common assault all the way up to s18 wounding with intent. Whilst there would be insufficient evidence to prosecute the driver unless he doorstep confessed to the allegation, it might clip his wings and prevent him doing it again. It may be there has already been one allegation of him throwing things at cyclists from his van and this second allegation would be enough for the CPS to prefer charges. Two unconnected victims with a similar modus operandi would be sufficient to secure a conviction.

    Yes it is quite clearly an assault. Evidentially though, you'd struggle to get successful prosecution unless the clown admitted throwing the apple.

    You obviously decided to ignore the bit in bold. There have been successful prosecutions of suspects where there have been two or more unconnected victims from separate incidents, all because the same suspect was identified and the similar MO was used.
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  • paulbox
    paulbox Posts: 1,203
    mfin wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    Assault? Throwing an apple core at someone might just about qualify for a ticking off by a teacher in a primary school. Dangerous driving? I don't think it was mentioned that he was doing that, unless throwing the apple was being 'not in control of the vehicle', if you reported everyone you saw with a phone or eating or whatever you'd be in the police station all day.

    So if the apple core had hit the rider, causing him to lose control, or swerve under a bus, then it wouldn't matter because it was only an apple?

    Maybe you should put up a list of fruit and veg - and you can tell us which particular examples are ok to throw at cyclists from moving vehicles?

    Well it didn't cause anything did it, and it was hardly a hand grenade or a piece of ninja equipment either, so what's the big deal. Seriously, if you'd report what was described then I hope you aren't the kind of person who'd moan the police are under-resourced if you did need them and weren't satisfied with the attention and service they could provide.

    I hope that you're the next person he throws something at.

    The driver may well be the type of ape who wouldn't care less about the police turning up on his doorstep for a chat, but a lot of people would think twice about doing it again if they knew there was a record against them for previous.
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  • team47b
    team47b Posts: 6,425
    I haven't read the whole thread but have we done assault with peaches yet?

    Whole and halved? :D
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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    PaulBox wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    Assault? Throwing an apple core at someone might just about qualify for a ticking off by a teacher in a primary school. Dangerous driving? I don't think it was mentioned that he was doing that, unless throwing the apple was being 'not in control of the vehicle', if you reported everyone you saw with a phone or eating or whatever you'd be in the police station all day.

    So if the apple core had hit the rider, causing him to lose control, or swerve under a bus, then it wouldn't matter because it was only an apple?

    Maybe you should put up a list of fruit and veg - and you can tell us which particular examples are ok to throw at cyclists from moving vehicles?

    Well it didn't cause anything did it, and it was hardly a hand grenade or a piece of ninja equipment either, so what's the big deal. Seriously, if you'd report what was described then I hope you aren't the kind of person who'd moan the police are under-resourced if you did need them and weren't satisfied with the attention and service they could provide.

    I hope that you're the next person he throws something at.

    The driver may well be the type of ape who wouldn't care less about the police turning up on his doorstep for a chat, but a lot of people would think twice about doing it again if they knew there was a record against them for previous.

    Don't say that, I don't think I could live with the trauma of someone throwing an apple core at me, in fact I can imagine telling my grandchildren about the awful time that such a terrifying thing happened to me. It's terrible that such awful things happen in the world.

    Note that I did clearly say that the driver was a tw@t for doing it. I just think all the discussion of calling the police over such a thing is daft. Saying that, I would have taken a different stance if the bloke had ended up with a pip lodged in his face though.
  • drlodge
    drlodge Posts: 4,826
    Good job he didn't throw an orange, as that would be taking the pith.
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  • imposter2.0
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    mfin wrote:

    Don't say that, I don't think I could live with the trauma of someone throwing an apple core at me, in fact I can imagine telling my grandchildren about the awful time that such a terrifying thing happened to me. It's terrible that such awful things happen in the world.

    Note that I did clearly say that the driver was a tw@t for doing it. I just think all the discussion of calling the police over such a thing is daft. Saying that, I would have taken a different stance if the bloke had ended up with a pip lodged in his face though.

    Come on fella, we've been over this before - I think you're being a bit thick. Let's disregard the 'fruit-based' issue for the moment. The actual item he throws at you is not the point. The act of throwing it (whatever it is) constitutes an offence - and the consequences of being hit by something and the subsequent injury or distraction could be a lot more serious. Maybe next time he'll throw something at you - like maybe an orange, but with 6" nails sticking out of it.
  • tootsie323
    tootsie323 Posts: 199
    On a serious note, it is worth reporting sinply so it is noted and if there are other, related, incidents already on record, something may actually be done about it.

    On a less serious note, I cannot help but recall the Monty Python sketch on defending oneself against assault with fresh fruit.

    On a more personal note, I have had fruit thrown at me before (not necessarily when I was cycling). I count it towards my five a day...
  • paulbox
    paulbox Posts: 1,203
    mfin wrote:
    Don't say that, I don't think I could live with the trauma of someone throwing an apple core at me, in fact I can imagine telling my grandchildren about the awful time that such a terrifying thing happened to me. It's terrible that such awful things happen in the world.

    Note that I did clearly say that the driver was a tw@t for doing it. I just think all the discussion of calling the police over such a thing is daft. Saying that, I would have taken a different stance if the bloke had ended up with a pip lodged in his face though.
    If you catch something coming towards you out of the corner of your eye, you can't tell what it is. You will naturally take avoiding action. Given the state of our roads and how closely other vehicles get to us that could be very dangerous.

    Accepting that an ape throwing things at cyclists doesn't have any repercussions is one of the reasons we are where we are. One day they are shouting things, the next they are throwing apple cores, what comes next? These idiots think they are invincible inside their metal boxes, they need to realise that their actions have consequences. Whether that's me doing something at the next set of lights or the police taking fifteen minutes out of their day to pop round and have a word, I don't really care. The police are their to protect us from morons like this and the next victim might not be big enough and ugly enough to look after themselves.
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  • mfin
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    Imposter wrote:
    mfin wrote:

    Don't say that, I don't think I could live with the trauma of someone throwing an apple core at me, in fact I can imagine telling my grandchildren about the awful time that such a terrifying thing happened to me. It's terrible that such awful things happen in the world.

    Note that I did clearly say that the driver was a tw@t for doing it. I just think all the discussion of calling the police over such a thing is daft. Saying that, I would have taken a different stance if the bloke had ended up with a pip lodged in his face though.

    Come on fella, we've been over this before - I think you're being a bit thick. Let's disregard the 'fruit-based' issue for the moment. The actual item he throws at you is not the point. The act of throwing it (whatever it is) constitutes an offence - and the consequences of being hit by something and the subsequent injury or distraction could be a lot more serious. Maybe next time he'll throw something at you - like maybe an orange, but with 6" nails sticking out of it.

    Thick? It's not a case of what could have happened it's a case of what did happen, if you think it's a good use of police time if it happened to you then fair enough...

    Apple core victim: "I'd like to report someone throwing an apple core at me from a moving vehicle"
    Policeman: "Were you hurt?"
    Apple core victim: "Yes. Well, my feelings were hurt."
    Policeman: "But not physically hurt?"
    Apple core victim: "No, but I could have been, and others could be in future too because it's not the fact it's an apple core, it's that next time it could be something nasty, like a cuckoo clock or a nailbomb".
    Policeman: "Yes, but you are reporting an apple core being thrown at you?"
    Apple core victim: "Yes I am. But, I still could have lost control of my bike and died or the driver could have crashed as he wasn't in control of his vehicle."
    Policeman: "yes, but you are reporting an apple core being thrown at you, would you like to make a statement"
    Apple core victim: "Yes I would, this is a serious fruit related crime".
    Policeman: "You got the fruit bit right".
  • drlodge
    drlodge Posts: 4,826
    FWIW I wouldn't report that incident, just not worth it. If I had come off my bike or very nearly had a collision because of it, may be I would. But then its likely to be something in addition to throwing the object e.g. dangerous driving.
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  • imposter2.0
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    mfin wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    mfin wrote:

    Don't say that, I don't think I could live with the trauma of someone throwing an apple core at me, in fact I can imagine telling my grandchildren about the awful time that such a terrifying thing happened to me. It's terrible that such awful things happen in the world.

    Note that I did clearly say that the driver was a tw@t for doing it. I just think all the discussion of calling the police over such a thing is daft. Saying that, I would have taken a different stance if the bloke had ended up with a pip lodged in his face though.

    Come on fella, we've been over this before - I think you're being a bit thick. Let's disregard the 'fruit-based' issue for the moment. The actual item he throws at you is not the point. The act of throwing it (whatever it is) constitutes an offence - and the consequences of being hit by something and the subsequent injury or distraction could be a lot more serious. Maybe next time he'll throw something at you - like maybe an orange, but with 6" nails sticking out of it.

    Thick? It's not a case of what could have happened it's a case of what did happen, if you think it's a good use of police time if it happened to you then fair enough...

    Apple core victim: "I'd like to report someone throwing an apple core at me from a moving vehicle"
    Policeman: "Were you hurt?"
    Apple core victim: "Yes. Well, my feelings were hurt."
    Policeman: "But not physically hurt?"
    Apple core victim: "No, but I could have been, and others could be in future too because it's not the fact it's an apple core, it's that next time it could be something nasty, like a cuckoo clock or a nailbomb".
    Policeman: "Yes, but you are reporting an apple core being thrown at you?"
    Apple core victim: "Yes I am. But, I still could have lost control of my bike and died or the driver could have crashed as he wasn't in control of his vehicle."
    Policeman: "yes, but you are reporting an apple core being thrown at you, would you like to make a statement"
    Apple core victim: "Yes I would, this is a serious fruit related crime".
    Policeman: "You got the fruit bit right".

    Once again, you miss the point - and for your sake, I hope it's intentional. Presumably you're just trolling, so I'll leave you to it.
  • drlodge
    drlodge Posts: 4,826
    I'm with mfin on this one - the police are only interested in what DID happen, not what MIGHT have happened.
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  • imposter2.0
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    drlodge wrote:
    I'm with mfin on this one - the police are only interested in what DID happen, not what MIGHT have happened.

    Have you not read the thread? What 'did' happen constitutes an assault. Forget about the fruit, it's really not important. The only reason it can't be pursued in this case is because the 'victim' doesn't have the van's reg no.
  • Frank Wilson
    Frank Wilson Posts: 930
    Reminds me of an incident a few years back, I was cycling home after a 40 miler, incidentally averaging 18.2 mph, when a yellow van, not white but yellow, went past me. He threw a punnet of strawberries, a tin of ambrosia custard and a carton of fresh cream at me. Frightened the living day lights out of me it did.

    I got the vans number and went to the local constabulary the very next day, however they were not interested and dismissed it as a trifling matter.
  • drlodge
    drlodge Posts: 4,826
    I got the vans number and went to the local constabulary the very next day, however they were not interested and dismissed it as a trifling matter.

    haha that did make me chuckle :lol:
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  • hypster
    hypster Posts: 1,229
    team47b wrote:
    I haven't read the whole thread but have we done assault with peaches yet?

    Whole and halved? :D

    Yes, we're on to poin-ted sticks now! :mrgreen:
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    Imposter wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    mfin wrote:

    Don't say that, I don't think I could live with the trauma of someone throwing an apple core at me, in fact I can imagine telling my grandchildren about the awful time that such a terrifying thing happened to me. It's terrible that such awful things happen in the world.

    Note that I did clearly say that the driver was a tw@t for doing it. I just think all the discussion of calling the police over such a thing is daft. Saying that, I would have taken a different stance if the bloke had ended up with a pip lodged in his face though.

    Come on fella, we've been over this before - I think you're being a bit thick. Let's disregard the 'fruit-based' issue for the moment. The actual item he throws at you is not the point. The act of throwing it (whatever it is) constitutes an offence - and the consequences of being hit by something and the subsequent injury or distraction could be a lot more serious. Maybe next time he'll throw something at you - like maybe an orange, but with 6" nails sticking out of it.

    Thick? It's not a case of what could have happened it's a case of what did happen, if you think it's a good use of police time if it happened to you then fair enough...

    Apple core victim: "I'd like to report someone throwing an apple core at me from a moving vehicle"
    Policeman: "Were you hurt?"
    Apple core victim: "Yes. Well, my feelings were hurt."
    Policeman: "But not physically hurt?"
    Apple core victim: "No, but I could have been, and others could be in future too because it's not the fact it's an apple core, it's that next time it could be something nasty, like a cuckoo clock or a nailbomb".
    Policeman: "Yes, but you are reporting an apple core being thrown at you?"
    Apple core victim: "Yes I am. But, I still could have lost control of my bike and died or the driver could have crashed as he wasn't in control of his vehicle."
    Policeman: "yes, but you are reporting an apple core being thrown at you, would you like to make a statement"
    Apple core victim: "Yes I would, this is a serious fruit related crime".
    Policeman: "You got the fruit bit right".

    Once again, you miss the point - and for your sake, I hope it's intentional. Presumably you're just trolling, so I'll leave you to it.

    Me trolling? I'm being sensible, you're the one who keeps describing having an apple core chucked at you as some kind of assault that's worth contacting the police over, you must be trolling, cos its daft.
  • StillGoing
    StillGoing Posts: 5,211
    mfin wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    mfin wrote:

    Don't say that, I don't think I could live with the trauma of someone throwing an apple core at me, in fact I can imagine telling my grandchildren about the awful time that such a terrifying thing happened to me. It's terrible that such awful things happen in the world.

    Note that I did clearly say that the driver was a tw@t for doing it. I just think all the discussion of calling the police over such a thing is daft. Saying that, I would have taken a different stance if the bloke had ended up with a pip lodged in his face though.

    Come on fella, we've been over this before - I think you're being a bit thick. Let's disregard the 'fruit-based' issue for the moment. The actual item he throws at you is not the point. The act of throwing it (whatever it is) constitutes an offence - and the consequences of being hit by something and the subsequent injury or distraction could be a lot more serious. Maybe next time he'll throw something at you - like maybe an orange, but with 6" nails sticking out of it.

    Thick? It's not a case of what could have happened it's a case of what did happen, if you think it's a good use of police time if it happened to you then fair enough...

    Apple core victim: "I'd like to report someone throwing an apple core at me from a moving vehicle"
    Policeman: "Were you hurt?"
    Apple core victim: "Yes. Well, my feelings were hurt."
    Policeman: "But not physically hurt?"
    Apple core victim: "No, but I could have been, and others could be in future too because it's not the fact it's an apple core, it's that next time it could be something nasty, like a cuckoo clock or a nailbomb".
    Policeman: "Yes, but you are reporting an apple core being thrown at you?"
    Apple core victim: "Yes I am. But, I still could have lost control of my bike and died or the driver could have crashed as he wasn't in control of his vehicle."
    Policeman: "yes, but you are reporting an apple core being thrown at you, would you like to make a statement"
    Apple core victim: "Yes I would, this is a serious fruit related crime".
    Policeman: "You got the fruit bit right".

    Once again, you miss the point - and for your sake, I hope it's intentional. Presumably you're just trolling, so I'll leave you to it.

    Me trolling? I'm being sensible, you're the one who keeps describing having an apple core chucked at you as some kind of assault that's worth contacting the police over, you must be trolling, cos its daft.

    Actually, it's you that is being daft by refusing to take notice of informed information. I retired from the job after 30 years service as a Sergeant 12 months ago and had passed my Inspector's examination. My law based knowledge and experience of what the police will bother dealing with is therefore relevant. In the scenario described, at the very least an assault and battery has been committed. Subsequent investigation may not result in a prosecution of any kind, but whatever happens, the crime will be logged and any suspect listed on it. Any future allegations against the same suspect or crimes with a similar MO, will flag up when cross checks are completed against the force database. That has 3 potential outcomes; 1) he thinks twice about being so stupid again and never does it again, 2) he goes on to do it again and is automatically linked with the first offence showing two separate victims etc and sufficient evidence to seek a prosecution, and 3) he doesn't go on to do it again, but when entering the data for this offence it flags up a previous one again giving sufficient evidence to seek a prosecution.

    Throwing objects from cars is taken seriously as like many crimes, the simple and trivial offence often leads to more serious offences and nobody knows what the driver might also have done on that journey. reporting the matter to the police might be another item to add to the list of things the prat behind the wheel got up that day. Maybe the vehicle wasn't actually hired to him but a mate who loaned it to him and he's disqualified from driving. If that were the case, the actually hirer would either have to admit they were driving or give the actual driver's details.

    Sometimes you need to think outside the box instead of having your head stuck firmly in it.
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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    philthy3 wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    mfin wrote:

    Don't say that, I don't think I could live with the trauma of someone throwing an apple core at me, in fact I can imagine telling my grandchildren about the awful time that such a terrifying thing happened to me. It's terrible that such awful things happen in the world.

    Note that I did clearly say that the driver was a tw@t for doing it. I just think all the discussion of calling the police over such a thing is daft. Saying that, I would have taken a different stance if the bloke had ended up with a pip lodged in his face though.

    Come on fella, we've been over this before - I think you're being a bit thick. Let's disregard the 'fruit-based' issue for the moment. The actual item he throws at you is not the point. The act of throwing it (whatever it is) constitutes an offence - and the consequences of being hit by something and the subsequent injury or distraction could be a lot more serious. Maybe next time he'll throw something at you - like maybe an orange, but with 6" nails sticking out of it.

    Thick? It's not a case of what could have happened it's a case of what did happen, if you think it's a good use of police time if it happened to you then fair enough...

    Apple core victim: "I'd like to report someone throwing an apple core at me from a moving vehicle"
    Policeman: "Were you hurt?"
    Apple core victim: "Yes. Well, my feelings were hurt."
    Policeman: "But not physically hurt?"
    Apple core victim: "No, but I could have been, and others could be in future too because it's not the fact it's an apple core, it's that next time it could be something nasty, like a cuckoo clock or a nailbomb".
    Policeman: "Yes, but you are reporting an apple core being thrown at you?"
    Apple core victim: "Yes I am. But, I still could have lost control of my bike and died or the driver could have crashed as he wasn't in control of his vehicle."
    Policeman: "yes, but you are reporting an apple core being thrown at you, would you like to make a statement"
    Apple core victim: "Yes I would, this is a serious fruit related crime".
    Policeman: "You got the fruit bit right".

    Once again, you miss the point - and for your sake, I hope it's intentional. Presumably you're just trolling, so I'll leave you to it.

    Me trolling? I'm being sensible, you're the one who keeps describing having an apple core chucked at you as some kind of assault that's worth contacting the police over, you must be trolling, cos its daft.

    Actually, it's you that is being daft by refusing to take notice of informed information. I retired from the job after 30 years service as a Sergeant 12 months ago and had passed my Inspector's examination. My law based knowledge and experience of what the police will bother dealing with is therefore relevant. In the scenario described, at the very least an assault and battery has been committed. Subsequent investigation may not result in a prosecution of any kind, but whatever happens, the crime will be logged and any suspect listed on it. Any future allegations against the same suspect or crimes with a similar MO, will flag up when cross checks are completed against the force database. That has 3 potential outcomes; 1) he thinks twice about being so stupid again and never does it again, 2) he goes on to do it again and is automatically linked with the first offence showing two separate victims etc and sufficient evidence to seek a prosecution, and 3) he doesn't go on to do it again, but when entering the data for this offence it flags up a previous one again giving sufficient evidence to seek a prosecution.

    Throwing objects from cars is taken seriously as like many crimes, the simple and trivial offence often leads to more serious offences and nobody knows what the driver might also have done on that journey. reporting the matter to the police might be another item to add to the list of things the prat behind the wheel got up that day. Maybe the vehicle wasn't actually hired to him but a mate who loaned it to him and he's disqualified from driving. If that were the case, the actually hirer would either have to admit they were driving or give the actual driver's details.

    Sometimes you need to think outside the box instead of having your head stuck firmly in it.

    I still don't agree with reporting it to the police. The object was quite soft and light, and if you sit in the drivers seat of a car or van and try to throw it with a lot of force it's not going to happen, you haven't got room in there to throw properly. In fact, I'd quite willingly stand there while someone tried it, it's not going to be travelling fast enough to do anything, the fact is that really it is not much more than a crap gesture. Based on all this there is no way I would report it. If I reported everything I saw that could indicate other behaviour (to happen or have happened) which might cause someone to be hurt then I seriously think I'd be reporting things several times a week. For example, I'd have 2 drivers to report from one bike ride, and two kids hurling abuse and threats at someone on the street last night.
  • john1967
    john1967 Posts: 366
    cyclists are public enemy no 1.We have become legitimate targets for all manor of nastiness.The police dont give a damn and only a death or serious injury will spark an investigation.
  • penski
    penski Posts: 124
    FWIW, I agree with the incident being reported to the police. An object in the eye travelling at high speeds could cause serious injury. Plus why should anybody have to suffer that kind of degradation anyway?

    It's when these kind of incidents are overlooked and ignored that they become acceptable, more common and escalate.
  • iron-clover
    iron-clover Posts: 737
    The trouble is although this incident isn't really serious, it has the potential to escalate quickly. For example if the driver had hit an inexperienced cyclist and caused a crash. And if they are brazen enough to do it once then there's a good chance they'll do it again.

    One of my friends was hit by a beer bottle (with unknown fraction of contents) which smashed over his back. Now that was an assault but really it's not a big step to go on from apples, especially if alcohol is involved. I take an extremely dim view of anyone throwing things at cyclists (and vehicles in general).
    If it annoyed you enough then it'll be worth reporting it to the police. If nothing else it provides a crime statistic which might be useful in the long run.