Edge 1000

StillGoing

Slowbike wrote:

Actually your post came over far more argumentative.

So what if you're not interested in segments - strava shows that plenty of ppl are.
Gearing indicator - gimmick - but the start of a development for auto shifting maybe.

Yes, it's bigger and lower battery life - but how many ppl ride for more than 15hours without access to power ? Not the main target market for the 1000 obviously.

At least have the decency to give constructive criticism. Going negative just makes it look like you want it but can't afford it

I don't see how you work that out? My post was constructed with me as a user in mind, someone who doesn't seek Strava segments, need to know what gear I'm in, need a bigger screen or want to take phone calls and messages during a ride. What somebody else gets out of it is for them and they may justly see it as a worthwhile purchase. My view of it is as someone coming from the 810. As for being unable to afford it; that really is an assumption. I was a long time user of the 705 and only upgraded to the 810 for the LiveTrack and bluetooth connectivity otherwise the 705 was quite adequate for my needs. The 1000 offers nothing to me personally that I see as a benefit over the 810. If I was still using the 705 and looking to upgrade, then yes I agree, maybe I'd plump for the 1000 instead of buying an 810. But I don't envisage a horde of 810 owners flocking to upgrade to the 1000.

StillGoing

Carbonator wrote:

philthy3 wrote:

Er no. However, you seem to have a hard on for an argument. :roll:

Its can be/seem a bit like that on here. Things can often be read in two different ways.
'Heated debate' is healthy on a forum though isn't it. Sorry if it came across as aggressive.

It just how I interpreted what you said and I felt it worth mentioning.
I would not want one if I had an 810 and I agree with pretty much everything you said ;-)
In fact I wish I did already have an 810 as I would not have to consider the 1000.

The only things I like about the 1000 are the high res screen and I think it comes with maps.
Am not sure how much more hi res it is or what difference having maps included will actually make though.
The segment thing would be good too actually.

Need to see one in the flesh really. The fact that the screen does not fill the unit as much as on the 810 is the main thing thats putting me off at the moment.

No problem and from my previous post you'll see I agree with you re it being a viable choice between the 810 and 1000 if you were looking to upgrade to either.

timothyw

I think the Edge 1000 is a necessary product, simply because the 800 & 810 really don't compare well to modern smartphones, particularly in screen terms.

The Xperia z1 for example is waterproof, and supports ant+ devices, so if you're looking at spending £400 odd on a bike computer with mapping you really ought at the very least consider it. This sort of phone obviously does fall down in battery life stakes, but this tends to be the thing that is least obvious to the new purchaser.

Personally, I'm very happy with my Edge 500, but I was put off the 800 due to what appeared to be a fairly poor screen to view maps on (and with somewhat worse daylight readability to boot).

neeb

I do too much looking at stem as it is with the 800, I don't need something bigger, flashier and heavier to further hypnotise me. I'm waiting for google-glass-style oakleys to come along so I can look at other stuff.

neeb

P.S. The 800 screen is fine as long as you put the brightness up to a couple of notches below the top and set the backlight to be permanently on. Uses the batteries faster obviously but you can still get 2 or 3 rides out of it.

deadhead1971

ChrisAOnABike wrote:

The only thing I hanker after with the 800, is Virtual Race Partner, or whatever it's called. I'd like to race myself against routes I've done before.

The 800 can already do this, and using some export tools you can also grab data from Strava to do the "virtual racer" thing against others. There's a guide here:
http://www.scarletfire.co.uk/use-your-g ... rava-koms/

markhewitt1978

They aren't Strava segments.

sloppyschleckonds

markhewitt1978 wrote:

They aren't Strava segments.

Zzzzzzzz

markhewitt1978

What? I was replying to someone who said they were Strava segments.

slowbike

philthy3 wrote:

I don't see how you work that out? My post was constructed with me as a user in mind, someone who doesn't seek Strava segments, need to know what gear I'm in, need a bigger screen or want to take phone calls and messages during a ride. What somebody else gets out of it is for them and they may justly see it as a worthwhile purchase. My view of it is as someone coming from the 810. As for being unable to afford it; that really is an assumption. I was a long time user of the 705 and only upgraded to the 810 for the LiveTrack and bluetooth connectivity otherwise the 705 was quite adequate for my needs. The 1000 offers nothing to me personally that I see as a benefit over the 810. If I was still using the 705 and looking to upgrade, then yes I agree, maybe I'd plump for the 1000 instead of buying an 810. But I don't envisage a horde of 810 owners ******* to upgrade to the 1000.

So after all that you would've probably bought one if you'd not first upgraded to the 810 ..... Hmmm that's not the impression you first gave. Are you narked because you got an inferior 810?

Me - I'm happy with my 800. Strava segments would be nice .... But they're not offering that and I can be arsed with virtual partner the whole time

Omar Little

Seems like some good features but its just far too long. There is too much empty space between the bottom of the screen and the buttons on the bottom of the device. Presumably to make the device thinner they have had to do this to fit the battery and other stuff in but its a bad choice IMO

Regards Strava and Garmin. One of the first websites for logging rides and keeping track of training was Motionbased which Garmin bought / took on the developers and turned into Garmin Connect. After a couple of years Garmin wanted to relocate the Connect team from San Francisco to their HQ in Kansas but they all quit instead and most of them ended up at a small startup that didnt have much share of the market but did have a unique feature for comparing times up climbs compared to other riders who had ridden them

StillGoing

Slowbike wrote:

philthy3 wrote:

I don't see how you work that out? My post was constructed with me as a user in mind, someone who doesn't seek Strava segments, need to know what gear I'm in, need a bigger screen or want to take phone calls and messages during a ride. What somebody else gets out of it is for them and they may justly see it as a worthwhile purchase. My view of it is as someone coming from the 810. As for being unable to afford it; that really is an assumption. I was a long time user of the 705 and only upgraded to the 810 for the LiveTrack and bluetooth connectivity otherwise the 705 was quite adequate for my needs. The 1000 offers nothing to me personally that I see as a benefit over the 810. If I was still using the 705 and looking to upgrade, then yes I agree, maybe I'd plump for the 1000 instead of buying an 810. But I don't envisage a horde of 810 owners ******* to upgrade to the 1000.

So after all that you would've probably bought one if you'd not first upgraded to the 810 ..... Hmmm that's not the impression you first gave. Are you narked because you got an inferior 810?

Me - I'm happy with my 800. Strava segments would be nice .... But they're not offering that and I can be arsed with virtual partner the whole time

WTF does it say that? No I'm quite happy with the 810 and see no reason to go from an 810 to the 1000. Now the bit you clearly don't get; if I was still using the 705 and looking to upgrade, I'd consider the 1000 as well as the 810, which one I'd buy is debatable. Now is that clear enough for you? :roll:

slowbike

Pefectly clear. You had a 705 and wanted to replace it - fair enough. The "best" option was the 810 so you went for that. Had the 1000 been available you may have gone for that even though you didn't want any of the extras it offers over the 810.
Now you have the 810 you feel the need to rubbish the 1000 as you'd not consider upgrading from the 810.

Perfectly clear

markhewitt1978

There seems to be a trend with these sorts of things to get bigger and bigger, e.g. the latest Samsung smartphone is bigger than the last one, Garmins are getting bigger. But much of the time if you want more features you have to go big, perhaps the cycle will eventually come around and we'll see smaller versions of everything being the next trend.

BrandonA

I'm surprised so many people are knocking the device.

I'd be interested to know how many of the haters would actually be in the market for a top tier product anyway. Or how many were expecting something "better" from Garmin and were hoping to upgrade but may now not having seen what this device offers.

In regards to Mark's comments in his most recent post. For me the main point of a GPS is the mapping function. I like to follow routes as it lets me explore new routes. If the additional size and better resolution means the maps are better then this is a great positive.

I'd love to know how many people run the battery on their current Garmin units down to say below 20%. Personally mine gets charged after every ride when I upload the ride to the computer. 15 hours may therefore be a reduction but I doubt many people who have complained about battery life cycle this many hours in single or double rides. As long as you therefore charge I can't see this as a problem.

I don't see how Garmin can compete with Strava though. I look at mapmyride, in my area it is a complete joke as there are no segments (or courses or whatever they personally call them) and no one uploads their rides. I imagine more people on Strava use smartphones for upload than they do Garmin devices. If Garmin to do let non-Garmin users upload to their Segments then I see it as being a huge failure. I think though if I want to race against my own records then I would opt to create a segment in Connect and then download and follow that, rather than missing around with Strava exports.

Sometimes people sneak off for a ride at lunchtimes or when they are on call. In these scenarios having access to the phone via the 1000 would be useful. Other than this, I don't want to be distracted when I am out riding as part of going for a ride is the getting away from it all and unwinding from the stresses of life.

I don't yet have a power meter or Di2 but am thinking about geting both. If I had these then stoing the the Di2 gear selection in the files could potentially (once people write good analysis programs) enable you to improve your performance as you will be able to determine the optimal gear to get over certain terrains or in certain weather conditions.

I don't have the disposable cash for one this summer. I will definitely get one spring time next year though.

neeb

Omar Little wrote:

Regards Strava and Garmin. One of the first websites for logging rides and keeping track of training was Motionbased which Garmin bought / took on the developers and turned into Garmin Connect. After a couple of years Garmin wanted to relocate the Connect team from San Francisco to their HQ in Kansas but they all quit instead and most of them ended up at a small startup that didnt have much share of the market but did have a unique feature for comparing times up climbs compared to other riders who had ridden them

Very interesting, good to know.

SFO to Kansas, lol, hardly surprising they all quit.. Might as well be told you are going to be relocated to the 14th Century...

apreading

Reasons why I would like one:

BrandonA wrote:

If the additional size and better resolution means the maps are better then this is a great positive.

BrandonA wrote:

[...] when they are on call. In these scenarios having access to the phone via the 1000 would be useful.

But you miss the point about battery life:

BrandonA wrote:

I'd love to know how many people run the battery on their current Garmin units down to say below 20%. Personally mine gets charged after every ride when I upload the ride to the computer. 15 hours may therefore be a reduction but I doubt many people who have complained about battery life cycle this many hours in single or double rides. As long as you therefore charge I can't see this as a problem.

If you actually got 15 hours then this would probably be OK. But with my 800, the battery life is reduced if you have sensors attached, if you have the map screen on display, even more so if you have route navigation active, and even more so if you have turn by turn enabled for that route. Last year I came very close once, where for the last 15 miles of a 100 mile ride it was telling me the battery was about to go - I managed to eke it out by turning all these things off and just using it to record the ride. It also ran out of juice on day one of a London to Paris ride but luckily I had a backup Edge 200 to record the end of that day's ride. Fortunately in both cases I was in a group and able to live without the navigation for the last part of the rides. I anticipate the 800 to be marginal a couple of times every year.

So if the 1000 has to drive a bigger screen, is also connected to a phone via bluetooth, sending live location updates etc, navigating and talking to sensors - the actual life could be waaay less than 15 hours. If you have to turn all these things off to get sensible life then what is the point having them...

Testing will show - who knows, maybe Garmin will buck the trend and we find they quoted battery life with all features running, but this is not how electronics firms usually work.

Anonymous

Well mines ordered so will just have to see what it looks like.
If it looks stupidly big or ugly then I might not get it.

I always planned to get a bigger device when I got my 500 and will always have that as an option, so it will be interesting to see which I prefer to take out.

The phone integration will be great for me. Any probs at home while I am on a ride will be instantly filtered from unurgent stuff.
Ride mates texting as I am on the way to meet them is really annoying in the winter when you are wearing gloves and phone is in a sandwich bag.

Live segments should be fun.

Bigger hi res screen has got to be better. Would have preferred it was thicker/shorter than longer/thinner, but maybe it will look ok.

BrandonA

apreading wrote:

Reasons why I would like one:

BrandonA wrote:

If the additional size and better resolution means the maps are better then this is a great positive.

BrandonA wrote:

[...] when they are on call. In these scenarios having access to the phone via the 1000 would be useful.

But you miss the point about battery life:

BrandonA wrote:

I'd love to know how many people run the battery on their current Garmin units down to say below 20%. Personally mine gets charged after every ride when I upload the ride to the computer. 15 hours may therefore be a reduction but I doubt many people who have complained about battery life cycle this many hours in single or double rides. As long as you therefore charge I can't see this as a problem.

If you actually got 15 hours then this would probably be OK. But with my 800, the battery life is reduced if you have sensors attached, if you have the map screen on display, even more so if you have route navigation active, and even more so if you have turn by turn enabled for that route. Last year I came very close once, where for the last 15 miles of a 100 mile ride it was telling me the battery was about to go - I managed to eke it out by turning all these things off and just using it to record the ride. It also ran out of juice on day one of a London to Paris ride but luckily I had a backup Edge 200 to record the end of that day's ride. Fortunately in both cases I was in a group and able to live without the navigation for the last part of the rides. I anticipate the 800 to be marginal a couple of times every year.

So if the 1000 has to drive a bigger screen, is also connected to a phone via bluetooth, sending live location updates etc, navigating and talking to sensors - the actual life could be waaay less than 15 hours. If you have to turn all these things off to get sensible life then what is the point having them...

Testing will show - who knows, maybe Garmin will buck the trend and we find they quoted battery life with all features running, but this is not how electronics firms usually work.

You say I am missing the point yet in at the end of your email you state that you don't know how long the battery will last. You are therefore criticizing a device (and dismissing other peoples comments) based solely on bias and no fact that the battery may not last as long as it is claimed.

My 800 with 3 ANT+ devices and turn based navigation on goes down to about 80% battery after a 55 mile ride. I intend to do some 100 mile rides this year but I do not think that I will have any problems with the battery on either the 800 or the 1000 on these rides. I therefore think the 11% reduction in battery is insignificant when riding up to 100 miles and it is a good compromise when you consider the benefits of getting a better screen. If I were to ride longer or in areas that I did not know then I'd take precautions should anything go wrong.

The good thing is you don't have to buy the device. I'm surprised people even read this type of thread when they are not even interested in the device. Surely that is a waste or time and these threads are only useful if you are actually seriously thinking about getting the device?

apreading

I read this thread to find out about the device - not to waste my time. I didnt know about the quoted battery life until I read it here.

I am not criticizing it based solely on bias - it is based on my and everybody else's experience when comparing just about every modern electronic device.

Also, what most people who use electronic devices have found is that battery level indicators drop far more rapidly once they get below 75% or so, indicated. The % is a very misleading and innacurate figure. I get similar % showing over similar length rides, but riding 100 miles the second 50 miles is generally slower than the first and the battery starts to drain alot quicker according to the % shown.

As I said, I would be delighted to be proved wrong and find that the 15 hours quoted is real world possible, or even 10 hours real world possible with everything turned on, but I seriously doubt it. And these doubts are based on practical, real world experience with other Garmins and other devices - not bias or supposition based on short rides.

earth

Rolf F wrote:

Huge price, huge bulk of unit size - yuk! Gear indicator with Di2 a very obvious development though, strictly speaking, existing units ought to be able to work out what gear you are in if you have a cadence sensor.

People will be happy to use the Garmin segments if they can more easily be KOM! And there is a lot of potential for a new site to improve significantly on Strava.

Using a electronic device to work out what gear you are in is the equivalent of the NASA space pen. The problem has already been solved with bog standard Sora shifters.

StillGoing

Slowbike wrote:

Pefectly clear. You had a 705 and wanted to replace it - fair enough. The "best" option was the 810 so you went for that. Had the 1000 been available you may have gone for that even though you didn't want any of the extras it offers over the 810.
Now you have the 810 you feel the need to rubbish the 1000 as you'd not consider upgrading from the 810.

Perfectly clear

Strewth you're hard work. It is not rubbishing the 1000 at all. What it is is from my viewpoint, I see no reason to upgrade from the 810 to the 1000 and I can't imagine anyone else would either. I'd even go so far as to imagine that those with the 800 wouldn't be in a hurry to upgrade to the 1000. As someone else has said; it might appeal to those who want the latest must have product.

Anonymous

Or someone with an edge 500

Mikey23

I'm more than happy with my 500. Does all I could possibly need. If it fails then I will look around at what is available at the time. Can't see anything in the spec for the 1000 that is remotely 'must have'. Nor for that matter the 510, the 800 or the 810...

Anonymous

Kind of agree which is why I have the 500. I think the Edge 500 is a must have.

Always planned to try one with maps/bigger screen and as mrs has pinched my 500 I am in the market for one about now.

It might end up being more of a toy than a must have.................. but I like toys :P

rolf_f

earth wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

Huge price, huge bulk of unit size - yuk! Gear indicator with Di2 a very obvious development though, strictly speaking, existing units ought to be able to work out what gear you are in if you have a cadence sensor.

People will be happy to use the Garmin segments if they can more easily be KOM! And there is a lot of potential for a new site to improve significantly on Strava.

Using a electronic device to work out what gear you are in is the equivalent of the NASA space pen. The problem has already been solved with bog standard Sora shifters.

Those aren't going to help you analyse your shifting post ride which is what the electronic functionality can do. Whether you want to analyse your shifting is another matter but it is certainly something that you could do to, for example, determine whether you are as good at keeping your chainline straight as you think you are!

markhewitt1978

I thought that was what flightdeck was all about anyway, all the shifters seem to have the functionality but it's used by exactly nobody.

Mikey23

i find it quite annoying that my car tells me what gear i should be in and when i should be changing... certainly dont want that on my bike thank you!

slowbike

philthy3 wrote:

Slowbike wrote:

Pefectly clear. You had a 705 and wanted to replace it - fair enough. The "best" option was the 810 so you went for that. Had the 1000 been available you may have gone for that even though you didn't want any of the extras it offers over the 810.
Now you have the 810 you feel the need to rubbish the 1000 as you'd not consider upgrading from the 810.

Perfectly clear

Strewth you're hard work. It is not rubbishing the 1000 at all. What it is is from my viewpoint, I see no reason to upgrade from the 810 to the 1000 and I can't imagine anyone else would either. I'd even go so far as to imagine that those with the 800 wouldn't be in a hurry to upgrade to the 1000. As someone else has said; it might appeal to those who want the latest must have product.

Or perhaps those who have a 200/500/510 or 705 or 800 (who want the bluetooth capability) ...

you said yourself that you would've considered it had it been available when you were upgrading from a 705 ...

Rubbishing it - you "rubbished" some of the new features in a manner that justifies to yourself why you're not going to replace your 810 with a 1000.

Really - it was a completely self-centred un-objective viewpoint on the new features - you may not want segments, bigger screen, text/call notifications or gear indicator - but I can guarantee others will ..

Actually - call/txt notification would've been handy for me a few years ago when my wife had a major mechanical on her ride - tried to call/txt me but I didn't hear either. Had that flashed up on screen I would've seen it and been able to respond. It wouldn't be the reason I would upgrade to a 1000 - perhaps they'll put the feature in a firmware update on the 810 - that would be nice.

tomisitt

I can't believe it isn't NFC-enabled for those double-decaf low-foam soy latte breaks. It means I still have to carry money around, which is a massive inconvenience. Nor is it Netflix compatible. What am I going to do while waiting for my wife to come and collect me when I get a puncture? But at least I'll know which Strava segment I punctured on, and will be able to Tweet all about how my epic 20 mile ride was ruined by a mechanical. And I'll be able to see the screen without my reading glasses, because it's ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE! How long before Apple bring out a handlebar-mount for the MacBook?

On the other hand, I could just carry on using my 800, which lasts for around 10 hours, tells me where I'm going, and records the data that I want to record. I'm as desperate as the next man to spend loads of money of shiny stuff I don't really need, and justify it to anyone who will listen, but even I draw the line at the Garmin 1000.