Edge 1000

Bar Shaker

I am a Strava Premium member as I like the metrics from my training. If that fee included a Garmin license to have real time Strava segments on the 1000 I would buy both. We are talking about a negligible amount of code to do this, most of which Garmin will have already written.

It must have taken a lot of vision and work to get Parallels and MS Office running on Macs. That Apple worked in with it means they sell shed loads more Macs than they would have done. This is the same situation and Garmin can not fob us off with Garmin Connect any longer... especially not to entice us to buy a £500 bike sat nav.

ETA

It cannot be beyond the realms of the IT world to hack the Edge operating system and create unofficial uploads, with better apps/options on Garmin hardware.

cougie

Awful - its like a Fisher Price bike computer. And £500 ? They should do a Rapha special - add a blue stripe and charge an extra 499. It'll sell like hot cakes.

Mikey23

Not seen anything to make me want to upgrade from my 500 which is still a cracking bit of kit and has never let me down...

littledove44

Garmin should just get over it and buy Strava.

Anonymous

What's the cheapest an (brand new, not recon etc.) 800 has been going for?

Do not need any extras unless its worth having maps. Do you need maps?

markyone

It wont fit my stem its to big,i will stick to my 510.

Mikey23

£218 currently on amazon... As cheap as I've seen it

DiscoBoy

Carbonator wrote:

What's the cheapest an (brand new, not recon etc.) 800 has been going for?

Do not need any extras unless its worth having maps. Do you need maps?

There are decent maps freely available online.

lastant

Bar Shaker wrote:

It must have taken a lot of vision and work to get Parallels and MS Office running on Macs. That Apple worked in with it means they sell shed loads more Macs than they would have done. This is the same situation and Garmin can not fob us off with Garmin Connect any longer... especially not to entice us to buy a £500 bike sat nav.

Funny isn't it? Strava are more than happy to stock Garmins in their webstore, you'd have thought a 'partnership' device would fly off the shelves...

TakeTurns

What a douchey move to try and steal Strava's idea. Knowing most users run on Garmins.

buckmulligan

lastant wrote:

Funny isn't it? Strava are more than happy to stock Garmins in their webstore, you'd have thought a 'partnership' device would fly off the shelves...

Well Strava's business is very reliant on Garmin's hardware so why wouldn't they sell their stuff at a markup? Meanwhile Garmin probably like to think the reverse case isn't true (although it probably is to an extent) and Strava are already selling their stuff, so why commit to a partnership and split the profit?!

DiscoBoy

BuckMulligan wrote:

lastant wrote:

Funny isn't it? Strava are more than happy to stock Garmins in their webstore, you'd have thought a 'partnership' device would fly off the shelves...

Well Strava's business is very reliant on Garmin's hardware

I'd be interested to see the percentage of rides logged on strava with garmins as opposed to other devices...

rolf_f

DiscoBoy wrote:

BuckMulligan wrote:

lastant wrote:

Funny isn't it? Strava are more than happy to stock Garmins in their webstore, you'd have thought a 'partnership' device would fly off the shelves...

Well Strava's business is very reliant on Garmin's hardware

I'd be interested to see the percentage of rides logged on strava with garmins as opposed to other devices...

I use a Bryton and find Strava sufficiently obstructive to my unit that I didn't carry on my premium membership when the free trial expired. I probably would have otherwise.

StillGoing

Well I for one won't be rushing out to buy it. I'm a long time Garmin user currently using the 810 and I see no advantage with the 1000 over it.

Segment explorer? I couldn't give a ***t about Strava segments which for me are a bit of a joke when so many riders go out there with the sole intention of attacking a particular segment doing naff all for the rest of the ride. I use Strava for our group notifications and activities and as a Premium account, I get more detail on my personal stats. Segment bagging I'll leave to those who I'd rather not ride with anyway.

Screen size? I'm short sighted needing specs to read, but even I can see the screen on the 810 to be able to read it. All I want with mapping is for it to tell me when to turn and which way. The 810 does that well enough.

Incoming call or text message? I'm riding my bike, why would I want to take a call mid ride? My phone is smart enough to assign individual ring tones to people so I know when someone important is calling by the ring tone and if they ring repeatedly, I'll know I need to answer it.

Gearing indicator? FFS! I know my cadence and when I'm in the right gear so why do I need a screen telling me?

All I really want from Garmin is the option to auto upload rides to my Strava account. Garmin Connect can do group functions, but unless everyone in the group uses a Garmin, then there is little point being on it. Just about everyone in the group uses Strava in one form or another.

roger_merriman

I'm not the target audience I'm not terribly interested in any data bar speed and distance, hence having a Garmin 200 which is small neat and has a good battery life.

well hopefully this will spure both Garmin/Strava to improve their services both have fairly fiddly mapping/route makers.

markhewitt1978

littledove44 wrote:

Garmin should just get over it and buy Strava.

haha it would be the ruin of Strava!

flasher

Too big, too expensive.

Bar Shaker

In the same way that IBM should have bought Microsoft!!

Garmin couldn't afford Strava now.

rolf_f

Better off starting from scratch. Shouldn't be too hard to improve on Strava.

Anonymous

philthy3 wrote:

Well I for one won't be rushing out to buy it. I'm a long time Garmin user currently using the 810 and I see no advantage with the 1000 over it.

Segment explorer? I couldn't give a ***t about Strava segments which for me are a bit of a joke when so many riders go out there with the sole intention of attacking a particular segment doing naff all for the rest of the ride. I use Strava for our group notifications and activities and as a Premium account, I get more detail on my personal stats. Segment bagging I'll leave to those who I'd rather not ride with anyway.

Screen size? I'm short sighted needing specs to read, but even I can see the screen on the 810 to be able to read it. All I want with mapping is for it to tell me when to turn and which way. The 810 does that well enough.

Incoming call or text message? I'm riding my bike, why would I want to take a call mid ride? My phone is smart enough to assign individual ring tones to people so I know when someone important is calling by the ring tone and if they ring repeatedly, I'll know I need to answer it.

Gearing indicator? FFS! I know my cadence and when I'm in the right gear so why do I need a screen telling me?

All I really want from Garmin is the option to auto upload rides to my Strava account. Garmin Connect can do group functions, but unless everyone in the group uses a Garmin, then there is little point being on it. Just about everyone in the group uses Strava in one form or another.

So you bought the latest Garmin and are now sl4gging off the latest latest garmin :roll:
Sounds like you are just trying to convince yourself that you really don't want it.

Your forgot high res screen by the way ;-)

I am not sure I like the size or will use some of the stuff tbh but it seems worth the extra over the 810.
Need to check it out a bit more and see one in the flesh.

markhewitt1978

Rolf F wrote:

Better off starting from scratch. Shouldn't be too hard to improve on Strava.

No that's true, shouldn't be too difficult to code Stravas segment matching system, come up with a decent website and user interface and app etc. You're probably talking at least 6 months development by a sizable team, but not impossible. But; getting the user base to be anything close to what Strava has, now that *is* impossible.

Agent57

markhewitt1978 wrote:

But; getting the user base to be anything close to what Strava has, now that *is* impossible.

Well, it depends doesn't it? If Strava rest on their laurels, fail to innovate, and instead stagnate while a competitor comes along that offers more... People can be fickle and can easily jump ship to the newer, shinier thing.

If that weren't true, we'd all still be using altavista.digital.com and NCSA Mosaic, right?

Colinthecop

Agent57 wrote:

If that weren't true, we'd all still be using altavista.digital.com and NCSA Mosaic, right?

And Bebo, and Myspace, and probably some others I wasn't cool enough to have.

StillGoing

Carbonator wrote:

philthy3 wrote:

Well I for one won't be rushing out to buy it. I'm a long time Garmin user currently using the 810 and I see no advantage with the 1000 over it.

Segment explorer? I couldn't give a ***t about Strava segments which for me are a bit of a joke when so many riders go out there with the sole intention of attacking a particular segment doing naff all for the rest of the ride. I use Strava for our group notifications and activities and as a Premium account, I get more detail on my personal stats. Segment bagging I'll leave to those who I'd rather not ride with anyway.

Screen size? I'm short sighted needing specs to read, but even I can see the screen on the 810 to be able to read it. All I want with mapping is for it to tell me when to turn and which way. The 810 does that well enough.

Incoming call or text message? I'm riding my bike, why would I want to take a call mid ride? My phone is smart enough to assign individual ring tones to people so I know when someone important is calling by the ring tone and if they ring repeatedly, I'll know I need to answer it.

Gearing indicator? FFS! I know my cadence and when I'm in the right gear so why do I need a screen telling me?

All I really want from Garmin is the option to auto upload rides to my Strava account. Garmin Connect can do group functions, but unless everyone in the group uses a Garmin, then there is little point being on it. Just about everyone in the group uses Strava in one form or another.

So you bought the latest Garmin and are now sl4gging off the latest latest garmin :roll:
Sounds like you are just trying to convince yourself that you really don't want it.

Your forgot high res screen by the way ;-)

I am not sure I like the size or will use some of the stuff tbh but it seems worth the extra over the 810.
Need to check it out a bit more and see one in the flesh.

Er no. However, you seem to have a hard on for an argument. :roll:

dilatory

Wow how long is DCRainmaker's stem?

slowbike

philthy3 wrote:

Carbonator wrote:

philthy3 wrote:

Well I for one won't be rushing out to buy it. I'm a long time Garmin user currently using the 810 and I see no advantage with the 1000 over it.

Segment explorer? I couldn't give a ***t about Strava segments which for me are a bit of a joke when so many riders go out there with the sole intention of attacking a particular segment doing naff all for the rest of the ride. I use Strava for our group notifications and activities and as a Premium account, I get more detail on my personal stats. Segment bagging I'll leave to those who I'd rather not ride with anyway.

Screen size? I'm short sighted needing specs to read, but even I can see the screen on the 810 to be able to read it. All I want with mapping is for it to tell me when to turn and which way. The 810 does that well enough.

Incoming call or text message? I'm riding my bike, why would I want to take a call mid ride? My phone is smart enough to assign individual ring tones to people so I know when someone important is calling by the ring tone and if they ring repeatedly, I'll know I need to answer it.

Gearing indicator? FFS! I know my cadence and when I'm in the right gear so why do I need a screen telling me?

All I really want from Garmin is the option to auto upload rides to my Strava account. Garmin Connect can do group functions, but unless everyone in the group uses a Garmin, then there is little point being on it. Just about everyone in the group uses Strava in one form or another.

So you bought the latest Garmin and are now sl4gging off the latest latest garmin :roll:
Sounds like you are just trying to convince yourself that you really don't want it.

Your forgot high res screen by the way ;-)

I am not sure I like the size or will use some of the stuff tbh but it seems worth the extra over the 810.
Need to check it out a bit more and see one in the flesh.

Er no. However, you seem to have a hard on for an argument. :roll:

Actually your post came over far more argumentative.

So what if you're not interested in segments - strava shows that plenty of ppl are.
Gearing indicator - gimmick - but the start of a development for auto shifting maybe.

Yes, it's bigger and lower battery life - but how many ppl ride for more than 15hours without access to power ? Not the main target market for the 1000 obviously.

At least have the decency to give constructive criticism. Going negative just makes it look like you want it but can't afford it

apreading

Depends if the 15 hours is just in recording and basic data mode, or with route navigation, map on display, bluetooth live tracking etc turned on - I wouldnt mind betting that the real life is much lower when using it for touring. I find the 800 is pushed to the limit for battery life when touring and navigating a couple of times a year.

Personally I would love the bigger, higher resolution screen but dont have any interest in segments, bluetooth, wifi or any of that gumpf.

slowbike

I found battery life is hugely effected by back light - so turn that off

The 800 I have did ~8 hours navigating on map mode - battery got to about 30% I think. The 810 on my wife's bike faired the same - Bluetooth turned off though.

I'd want something with a decent battery life and tbh, 15hrs if that's on basic mode with everything off - is too low. No point having Bluetooth, maps etc etc if you can't actually use it on a decent ride.

iron-clover

I can see why some people would want the 1000, but my first reaction was simply, "Why?"
I think the live Strava segments are taking things a little too far- I'd have said if people are that bothered about their KOMs etc then it's probably time you went to a real race instead.

I personally don't think they've really improved on the 800 (I've got the 500 myself and find it brilliant as a cycle/ training computer!) although the live position indicator could be really useful for letting people where you are. Other than that, the lower battery life and larger sizes put me off. I'd have said the 800 is the best all rounder with the OS maps and decent route guidance, and everything else they've released are just a bit gimmicky.

But then I suppose the 500 and 800 are 'old' now, and people always have to think about what else they can strap onto their products to make them more 'exciting'...

Anonymous

philthy3 wrote:

Er no. However, you seem to have a hard on for an argument. :roll:

Its can be/seem a bit like that on here. Things can often be read in two different ways.
'Heated debate' is healthy on a forum though isn't it. Sorry if it came across as aggressive.

It just how I interpreted what you said and I felt it worth mentioning.
I would not want one if I had an 810 and I agree with pretty much everything you said ;-)
In fact I wish I did already have an 810 as I would not have to consider the 1000.

The only things I like about the 1000 are the high res screen and I think it comes with maps.
Am not sure how much more hi res it is or what difference having maps included will actually make though.
The segment thing would be good too actually.

Need to see one in the flesh really. The fact that the screen does not fill the unit as much as on the 810 is the main thing thats putting me off at the moment.