Knowingly buying fake stuff

nathancom

Colinthecop wrote:

Thank you for telling me the requirements of my job...

I feel ashamed that considering the purchase of a replica pushbike has single handedly brought British Policing to its knees.

You were the one defending the plebgate cops for outright lying to frame a member of the government. Not surprised. You at doing a great job of improving the reputation of the police on these forums...

Colinthecop

Yes, I did as sometimes the end justifies the means. I could explain why again, but it can be hard when Daily Mail readers are involved....

So in that case nathan, I apologies if I've upset your delicate feelings and sense of righteousness....

nathancom

Colinthecop wrote:

Yes, I did as sometimes the end justifies the means. I could explain why again, but it can be hard when Daily Mail readers are involved....

So in that case nathan, I apologies if I've upset your delicate feelings and sense of righteousness....

So the police are justified to fabricate evidence if the guy deserves to go down...it isn't about righteousness to expect policemen not to break the law.

StillGoing

Colinthecop wrote:

I (might) work in an organisation where we are under intense public scrutiny. We have officers accused of a whole variety of offences on a daily basis. Infact we even have officers who are on methadone programs. When I rock up on my replica bike with the wrong stickers on it, do you think anyone other than you on your high horse gives a flying f*uck...? I doubt it. Oh yeah, apart from Phility3 who seems to think I'm funding illegal arms trading and drugs barons by committing theft which he later decided was theft of Copyright.

I guess that theft should have become breach of copyright. Retired Cop....? Unless he avoided work for 30 years (which some do), I can only assume he retired in the 50's. :roll:

Wrong on so many counts. From a background of PSU, firearms, instant response, CID, advanced driver, GPD and criminal justice, I retired in July 2013 as a Sergeant having also passed my Inspector's examination from my role of one of two force experts in my field so my knowledge of the law is undoubtedly greater than yours judging by your posts. You're attitude stinks to put it bluntly and with it, you do untold damage to the reputation of every good and honest copper out there. People reading your posts will wrongly assume every copper is like you or at least a good number are. The sooner your PSD weed you out the better as you clearly have no ethics of what is right and what is wrong and are displaying either ignorance or naivety of how crime is funded akin to a probationer straight out of the factory. If this whole thread was intended as a joke it has backfired on you.

StillGoing

ricky1980 wrote:

hands up if you have never bought fake merchandise...i can't say i have never. in this global market you cannot be certain that you are not buying fakes.

even the manufacturers are saying some retailers are passing on fake items as genuine willingly or unwittingly. so who's to be the judge of this.

but again to the point, why would you buy a replica/fake...(fake is such a terrible term. the frame by all intent and purposes is ok and perfectly functional and a lot better than the general market frames). well the answer is to be able to look and feel like one of the pros. well, if you cannot afford it then why persecute someone who has that aspiration. the person buys this frame may actually able to spend £200 on the branded clothing to match the bike, so the brand profits from otherwise nothing as the person can't afford the ultra expensive bike in the first place.

Now also consider this, a person riding a replica/fake pinarello is a person doing market for pinarello for free and if such item doesn't exist, the brand would have 1 less person exposing the branding on the streets. On this point, a person riding this bike will cause other to envy and consider purchase such a bike. when a person who has these thought that has the considered wealth to be able to afford the real deal then the brand is clearly reaping the benefit of the free marketing.

So for all those haters of replicas/fakes...you need to get off your high horses and consider the real world dynamics and the fact people can't always afford what they want. As long as people are not being lead to think this frame is a real pinarello then there are no issues.

the ad states it is a replica...so it is perfectly legitimate deal.

On the very last point, there are many open mould frames which looks like the pinarellos, so whats stopping me from getting one of those and then paint it in the same scheme as pinarello because i adore the scheme and really want it...

imitation is the best form of flattering. if people are copying something you did it means you are doing it well. protect your intellectual properties and let them copy away as they are doing free advertising for you and reaching the brand to otherwise a group of population you could not reach normally.

If you unknowingly buy something that is fake, you commit no offence provided you have paid the marketable price for it in the belief it was genuine. Just because an item is labelled a replica doesn't make it legit. Copyright is there for a reason i.e. to protect the genuine manufacturer from damage and protect their product from imitation. Unless Pinarello have authorised someone to produce a replica of their frame, it is not legitimate.

slowbike

Clearly eBay have higher morals than CtC as they have removed the listing ...

that's pretty laughable isn't it - eBay having higher morals than a (supposed) police officer ...

philthy3 - I agree with you - in my view, police have lost much of the respect that was once due - I have no doubt that there are good police officers on the force and I hope they outnumber the bad - I also understand that it's difficult to be whiter than white - but in the end - if you want to stop people from being "naughty" you've got to be good yourself.

CtC - Replica of something of this nature would only be AUTHORISED by the original copyright owner, otherwise it's a FAKE - China is known for ignoring copyright laws - but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't. Whilst it may be legal to buy the fake, it's not morally right and it saddens me that you cannot clearly see the difference. Do you download pirate music/videos?

johngti

Just to be clear, is the issue the paint job? The fact that it's a copy of pinarello's paint scheme makes it dodgy but if it were plain black or orange or puce it'd be fine? So what about someone who buys a plain frame then paints it in pinarello colours themselves because they're not well off enough to buy genuine but are a big pinarello fan? What would they be guilty of? Or is it ok for non-police to do that sort of thing but not a copper?

I don't necessarily buy the quality argument - genuine frames fail too although there is a point to the warranty. I seem to remember one of the magazines promising an article on open mould Chinese frames soon; that could be interesting.

rolf_f

Colinthecop wrote:

So another question, My mate has done very well for himself. He has a handbuilt Cobra with the worlds best sounding Chevy big block 7.2L lump in it. It's even properly badged. It's not built by AC, it was built in the Midlands. Is that a very nice replica or a fake....? As the law seems to think it's perfectly legal to make a replica, as long as you don't try to pass it off as the real thing. If you build a replica and want to sell it, you have to tell the buyer it's a replica.

The analogy being, the Pinarello was advertised as a replica.

A replica is an exact copy. Not a moulded piece of fibreglass with a vaguely appropriate engine dumped in it. It's not enough for something to look superficially like the original for it to be a replica - it has to be identical to all intents and purposes. I suppose your mates Cobra gets away with it because only an idiot wouldn't realise it wasn't the real thing - you couldn't pass it off as a real one. The Pinarello is maybe a little easier to con people with but really anyone who knows bicycles would spot the fake.

PS People are just a bit pee'd off with you because they kind of like to think that the people telling them what is right and what is wrong actually believe in what they are saying. Who would respect a defender of the law if they don't care about the law themselves?

johngti wrote:

Just to be clear, is the issue the paint job? The fact that it's a copy of pinarello's paint scheme makes it dodgy but if it were plain black or orange or puce it'd be fine?

Pinarello wouldn't say that it was fine. Their IPR is in the frame design more than the paint job. But from the community perspective, the plain painted Chinarello is probably more palatable because it's more obvious what it is. Probably no-one with a real Pinarello would be daft enough to repaint it so you can reasonably assume that a plain Pinarello like frame is a fake.

damocles10

philthy3 wrote:

Wrong on so many counts. From a background of PSU, firearms, instant response, CID, advanced driver, GPD and criminal justice, I retired in July 2013 as a Sergeant having also passed my Inspector's examination from my role of one of two force experts in my field so my knowledge of the law is undoubtedly greater than yours judging by your posts. You're attitude stinks to put it bluntly and with it, you do untold damage to the reputation of every good and honest copper out there. People reading your posts will wrongly assume every copper is like you or at least a good number are. The sooner your PSD weed you out the better as you clearly have no ethics of what is right and what is wrong and are displaying either ignorance or naivety of how crime is funded akin to a probationer straight out of the factory. If this whole thread was intended as a joke it has backfired on you.

+1 on that.....

Colinthecop

damocles10 wrote:

+1 on that.....

Can I just take a moment to thank you for your valuable input in this thread. It would have been better if you also joined in the how-high-I-can-piss-up-a-tree along with Philithy3, it might have been entertaining too.

Although I feel bad that he passed his exams for his pips and was never promoted. Pity your not still serving, I could have given you some tips for the competence based interview. And it makes such a big difference to the commutation you know.

8)

Colinthecop

Todays new dilemma is...

Just back from a bit of downhill with the local club. Had a big boys wipeout and broke my Gopro handlebar mount.

I guess it was always going to be a tad vulnerable as it sits proud of the handlebars.

So I need a new one. I'm a bit reluctant to spend £17 on a new one each time I go out. I guess I could buy a non genuine Gopro one. I just don't know it it'll be classed as a 'Fake', a 'replica' or a 'Genuine Copy'.

I'd hate Phility3 to insist I'm funding organised crime or for Pilot Pete to had to re-write his snitch letter to my boss.

Any thoughts....?

BillyMansell

Colinthecop wrote:

Todays new dilemma is...

Just back from a bit of downhill with the local club. Had a big boys wipeout and broke my Gopro handlebar mount.

I guess it was always going to be a tad vulnerable as it sits proud of the handlebars.

So I need a new one. I'm a bit reluctant to spend £17 on a new one each time I go out. I guess I could buy a non genuine Gopro one. I just don't know it it'll be classed as a 'Fake', a 'replica' or a 'Genuine Copy'.

If anyone asks be clear to state it's not a fake but a homage to or pastiche of the artisan's original work, that you are honouring the master craftman's original camera mount masterpiece.

rolf_f

The film they couldn't make......

Colinthecop

Cheers Rolf, I likes that.

Could you do me something similar in the theme of a cheesy 70's porn movie...?

StillGoing

Colinthecop wrote:

damocles10 wrote:

+1 on that.....

Can I just take a moment to thank you for your valuable input in this thread. It would have been better if you also joined in the how-high-I-can-piss-up-a-tree along with Philithy3, it might have been entertaining too.

Although I feel bad that he passed his exams for his pips and was never promoted. Pity your not still serving, I could have given you some tips for the competence based interview. And it makes such a big difference to the commutation you know.

8)

It isn't a who can piss up a tree the highest; you questioned how recent my employment as a Police officer was and my knowledge of the law. As for an ability to pass an interview, like all forces, mine was subject to stringent cut backs which meant a block on all promotion for PCs to Sgt, Sgt to Insp, Insp to C/Insp and only a handful of Supt boards. Again your attempt at humour is poorly placed and your posts suggest you are a child and will be no great loss to the service when they finally weed you out. No wonder they posted you to the middle of nowhere; nobody could probably stand working with you and your rule bending.

Mikey23

Don't hold back, say what you think...

Colinthecop

philthy3 wrote:

Again your attempt at humour is poorly placed and your posts suggest you are a child and will be no great loss to the service when they finally weed you out.

Really...? Unlike you, I passed a board which allowed me to leave my original force to my current location, maybe that's why you're bitter as an obvious underachiever.

And I'll be 50 soon with only a couple years to go (I actually go at 49).

Are you always wrong or is it just on this thread....?

upperoilcan

Have I Just stumbled across the good cop bad cop thread ?

sloppyschleckonds

Mikey23 wrote:

Don't hold back, say what you think...

Banged to writes

Mikey23

Just as long as nobody uses the pl*b word we will all be fine...

gethinceri

I have read this thread and it has not changed my attitude to either fakes or police officers.
I wish I could recognise a good one of either.

pinno

So there is nothing illegal about buying a fake whatever so long as the buyer is aware that it is a fake whatever but it is not legal to produce a fake whatever in the first place?

smoggysteve

THIS COULD BE YOU!!!!

Sprool

SmoggySteve wrote:

THIS COULD BE YOU!!!!

Unlikely, I bought a jersey.

damocles10

Colinthecop wrote:

damocles10 wrote:

+1 on that.....

Can I just take a moment to thank you for your valuable input in this thread. It would have been better if you also joined in the how-high-I-can-piss-up-a-tree along with Philithy3, it might have been entertaining too.

Although I feel bad that he passed his exams for his pips and was never promoted. Pity your not still serving, I could have given you some tips for the competence based interview. And it makes such a big difference to the commutation you know.

8)

I think I said it all in my initial response....

smoggysteve

Sprool wrote:

SmoggySteve wrote:

THIS COULD BE YOU!!!!

Unlikely, I bought a jersey.

Thats a genuine bike btw, it was so embarrassed that its owner was a tight arse thieving tosser it committed suicide

Yellow Peril

philthy3 wrote:

Colinthecop wrote:

damocles10 wrote:

+1 on that.....

Can I just take a moment to thank you for your valuable input in this thread. It would have been better if you also joined in the how-high-I-can-piss-up-a-tree along with Philithy3, it might have been entertaining too.

Although I feel bad that he passed his exams for his pips and was never promoted. Pity your not still serving, I could have given you some tips for the competence based interview. And it makes such a big difference to the commutation you know.

8)

It isn't a who can wee-wee up a tree the highest; you questioned how recent my employment as a Police officer was and my knowledge of the law. As for an ability to pass an interview, like all forces, mine was subject to stringent cut backs which meant a block on all promotion for PCs to Sgt, Sgt to Insp, Insp to C/Insp and only a handful of Supt boards. Again your attempt at humour is poorly placed and your posts suggest you are a child and will be no great loss to the service when they finally weed you out. No wonder they posted you to the middle of nowhere; nobody could probably stand working with you and your rule bending.

+1 Philthy.

One of the reasons I left the force was that it was full of uniform occupiers like this just ripping the @rse out of the system with their obsession about pensions and overtime. I'm surprised he hasn't already gone out on a sick pension tbh, he seems that sort of cop.

arran77

Mikey23 wrote:

Just as long as nobody uses the pl*b word we will all be fine...

What if was a fake officer who used such a word?

Colinthecop

Yellow Peril, You criticise those doing the job you couldn't/wouldn't do....? Right. :roll:

And like Philithy you're making a lot of wrong assumptions based on some internet postings which leaves you open to looking rather foolish.

Hopefully you'll also post up your job experience too thinking it'll throw weight behind your incorrect posts.

Yellow Peril

Colinthecop wrote:

Yellow Peril, You criticise those doing the job you couldn't/wouldn't do....? Right. :roll:

And like Philithy you're making a lot of wrong assumptions based on some internet postings which leaves you open to looking rather foolish.

Hopefully you'll also post up your job experience too thinking it'll throw weight behind your incorrect posts.

ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! incorrect post? show me what is incorrect in my post.

How about you give your convictions an acid test and box up your frame and send it to Pinarello and ask them if there is any breach of copyright or intellectual property rights....no didn't think you'd fancy that.

Your the upholder of the law bragging about your superb coup in buying a fake on an internet forum, who's the foolish one?