hope I can report this tool to the police

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,469
    Slowbike wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    He's unlikely to get future work if he ends up convicted of dangerous driving (and publicity around the case may ensure it struggles even if acquitted.
    You'd think that would be enough of a deterrent to have prevented the incident in the first place. :(

    Arrogance isn't it? He assumed that no one would be able to prove he did anything wrong.

    My one concern with publicity over helmet cameras is that there might be an increase in assaults on cyclists by drivers keen to steal the camera and conceal the evidence.

    I wonder if the driver in this case will see the error or their ways and be more tolerant to cyclists in the future or effectively blame us all for his stupidity / loss of job and become even more aggressive towards us?
  • adr82
    adr82 Posts: 4,002
    Pross wrote:
    My one concern with publicity over helmet cameras is that there might be an increase in assaults on cyclists by drivers keen to steal the camera and conceal the evidence.
    Don't know, I think that's unlikely, even for UK drivers... the occasional total braindead moron maybe but I can't see it happening regularly. Also you can already get HD cameras built into glasses, which would make your recording far less obvious than when you have something strapped to your helmet.
  • markhewitt1978
    markhewitt1978 Posts: 7,614
    Pross wrote:
    Arrogance isn't it? He assumed that no one would be able to prove he did anything wrong.

    I would think it's worse than that, no doubt at the time the driver thought he was in the right and the cyclist had wronged him in some fashion.
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,832
    Pross wrote:
    I wonder if the driver in this case will see the error or their ways and be more tolerant to cyclists in the future or effectively blame us all for his stupidity / loss of job and become even more aggressive towards us?
    You'd hope so. Presumably the driver has seen the video and may even realise quite how close and fast that was, that should be enough to make most people think twice in future. Unfortunately most, not all. We can only hope he looks at the footage and regrets his actions and not the consequences.
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  • slowbike
    slowbike Posts: 8,498
    Veronese68 wrote:
    We can only hope he looks at the footage and regrets his actions and not the consequences.
    Problem is - most ppl are just sorry that they were caught ... not for what they did to start with ...
  • StillGoing
    StillGoing Posts: 5,211
    Slowbike wrote:
    Veronese68 wrote:
    We can only hope he looks at the footage and regrets his actions and not the consequences.
    Problem is - most ppl are just sorry that they were caught ... not for what they did to start with ...

    In offender management that is the common thought process with many of them; they're sorry they got caught but not sorry for what they did. Normal people see an open till at the counter with wads of notes in it and in a split second calculate that they could reach over and take it, but there's probably cctv or someone watching, they'll get caught, convicted, lose their liberty and respect of their family and friends and it isn't worth it. A chemical imbalance in criminal brains stops that thought process until they're being chased along the street after committing the act. That will be the first time they realise they risk getting caught.

    I don't think you'll get idiots trying to seize helmet cameras unless you end up in a toe to toe with someone following an altercation. The problems comes with admissibility as evidence. If the footage can be shown to be unedited in any way and the time frame can be verified, then there should be no reason for it not to be produced as an exhibit.
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  • pilot_pete
    pilot_pete Posts: 2,120
    I emailed the company director and expressed my views about the driving standards demonstrated and how it reflects on his company. I urged him to push the constabulary to charge the driver with at least dangerous driving and to not provide a positive reference when he sacked the offender. Let's hope this idiot doesn't just pop up at another local haulier to continue his ill thought out and extremely dangerous one man crusade against cyclists.

    PP
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,469
    Pilot Pete wrote:
    I emailed the company director and expressed my views about the driving standards demonstrated and how it reflects on his company. I urged him to push the constabulary to charge the driver with at least dangerous driving and to not provide a positive reference when he sacked the offender. Let's hope this idiot doesn't just pop up at another local haulier to continue his ill thought out and extremely dangerous one man crusade against cyclists.

    PP

    I hope you also thanked him for quick, decisive and responsible action? I think they have come out of this well and should be judged on their response not the actions of an individual driver's behaviour.
  • mattsaw
    mattsaw Posts: 907
    Seconded. You can't fault the companies actions in this. They should be applauded.

    If only more companies were willing to take their lead.
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  • on-yer-bike
    on-yer-bike Posts: 2,974
    How about this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oId4X6F ... ture=share
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  • taff..
    taff.. Posts: 81
    on-yer-bike wrote:
    How about this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oId4X6F ... ture=share

    have you linked to the right vid? all I see is a rather sweary old bloke gobbing off.
  • cattytown
    cattytown Posts: 647
    I have to applaud Forest Of Dean's response. Swift and decisive.

    I assume many of you have seen http://www.caravantimes.co.uk/news/peop ... 384068.htm but have you seen the comments. Look down for Alan Norton and the comments he is saying with his job title and employer identified so clearly it looks like an official Cambridge CC comment!

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,469
    taff.. wrote:
    on-yer-bike wrote:
    How about this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oId4X6F ... ture=share

    have you linked to the right vid? all I see is a rather sweary old bloke gobbing off.

    Well, other than the punch he threw.........
  • rokt
    rokt Posts: 493
    WHY !!!!

    What is wrong with people ?

    Everyone who drives and holds a British driving licence should be retested every
    Five years without exception.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,469
    cattytown wrote:
    I have to applaud Forest Of Dean's response. Swift and decisive.

    I assume many of you have seen http://www.caravantimes.co.uk/news/peop ... 384068.htm but have you seen the comments. Look down for Alan Norton and the comments he is saying with his job title and employer identified so clearly it looks like an official Cambridge CC comment!

    Paul.

    Hmm, I've passed the link on to the Council's CEO as I assume they wouldn't want to be associated with such ignorant and inflammatory comments. I'm sure they have a social media clause in their contracts to stop people making stupid comments which could be linked to the employer, I know my company has!
  • cattytown
    cattytown Posts: 647
    Cheers Pross - the more people flag it to Cambridge CC the better.
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  • markhewitt1978
    markhewitt1978 Posts: 7,614
    Alan Norton · Surveyor at Cambridge City Council
    The person on the bike thinks the laws of the land only apply to other people. Does not mind speeding riding like a prat making pedestrians jump out of his way. Let's hope when he gets killed his videos clear the poor soul who has to live with getting this prat off the roads.

    Disgraceful. He may be only surveyor and not responsible for transport policy but he's posting under the Cambridge CC name and that shouldn't be allowed to stand.
  • StillGoing
    StillGoing Posts: 5,211
    I've emailed them too in a sensitive and persuasive fashion. Anyone need a surveyor that's probably going to be out of work soon?
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  • essexeagle
    essexeagle Posts: 60
    Judging by the size of Alan Norton's gut its been a long time since he put a leg over a bike. Hopefully he'll be getting a call from one of his superiors anytime now the dumb c unt
  • chris_bass
    chris_bass Posts: 4,913
    He has taken his job title down now, bit late though I fear!

    quite a few people seem to be telling him what they think of his comments! I think it is how a lot of people think though worryingly enough. I read a lot of non cycling websites and whenever a cycling story comes up the comments section is always an absolute disgrace.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,469
    I suspect his employers basically suggested he takes his place of work off but doubt they will do anything else (and to be honest other than a word in his ear I would suggest that is proportionate). Hopefully it will make him think about what he writes in future but I doubt it. Why would you even have those sorts of personal details on a caravanning site anyway?
  • ToeKnee
    ToeKnee Posts: 376
    In case of enquiry contact Alan Norton
    Direct dial (01223) 458576
    Email: alan.norton@cambridge.gov.uk
    Do I or don't I? ... and are RLJs still saying they do no harm to cycling's image?
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  • markhewitt1978
    markhewitt1978 Posts: 7,614
    No don't. And I'd take that info down from here too. You'd only confirm his suspicions about 'us lot'
  • cattytown
    cattytown Posts: 647
    Pross - the info was from is facebook profile. I think the caravanning website is one of those "to comment, sign in with Facebook" sites, so it pulled it from there.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,469
    cattytown wrote:
    Cheers Pross - the more people flag it to Cambridge CC the better.

    Had a response from the Chief Exec thanking me for drawing it to her attention and confirming that she would be dealing with the issue.
  • markhewitt1978
    markhewitt1978 Posts: 7,614
    Pross wrote:
    cattytown wrote:
    Cheers Pross - the more people flag it to Cambridge CC the better.

    Had a response from the Chief Exec thanking me for drawing it to her attention and confirming that she would be dealing with the issue.

    Unfortunately it won't be an education as to why his views are wrong, just that he shouldn't be posting on comment pages under the council name!
  • slowbike
    slowbike Posts: 8,498
    markhewitt1978 wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    cattytown wrote:
    Cheers Pross - the more people flag it to Cambridge CC the better.

    Had a response from the Chief Exec thanking me for drawing it to her attention and confirming that she would be dealing with the issue.

    Unfortunately it won't be an education as to why his views are wrong, just that he shouldn't be posting on comment pages under the council name!

    Depends if the Chief Exec or her family are cyclists! ;)
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    markhewitt1978 wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    cattytown wrote:
    Cheers Pross - the more people flag it to Cambridge CC the better.

    Had a response from the Chief Exec thanking me for drawing it to her attention and confirming that she would be dealing with the issue.

    Unfortunately it won't be an education as to why his views are wrong, just that he shouldn't be posting on comment pages under the council name!

    Realistically, that is all you can expect. As a private individual, he is perfectly entitled to be ignorant and wrong. It only becomes the council's problem when he puts their name next to his.
  • StillGoing
    StillGoing Posts: 5,211
    I think he's most likely GL from Cambridgeshire on the Mail rant thread link. The criticism of both seems to be the same thing; cycle paths available and not being used so deserve what they get.
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    philthy3 wrote:
    The criticism of both seems to be the same thing; cycle paths available and not being used so deserve what they get.

    People who say that should try riding a bike on a cycle 'path'.

    Most cycle paths are not really an option for actually cycling anywhere, they are just for kids or shopping bikes who cycle so slowly not to mind dodging pedestrians and drivers who do not know how to interact with them.

    The trouble is we live in generation easyJet, give driving licences to any moron who wants one, force bikes to use the same roads with minimal infrastructure and have cr4p laws to deal with it all.

    People just want whats best for them with no regard for being part of a society, and unfortunately, this is allowed and encouraged by society.

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