hope I can report this tool to the police
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Reported to the police this morning.
Company identified as forest of dean. Spoke to them and had a good response.
They need to talk to the driver etc.
Also had a letter from the MD by email saying the same and is not what the company is about.
Thanks for idenifieing the company people and now let them sort this problem out.0 -
Carbonator wrote:A comment would be better :roll: , plus a :roll:
Actually what I should have said was attempted manslaughter (although that does not really exist).
If he had killed the OP it should be manslaughter, and as he seems to have done it on purpose its an attempt.
Please do not quote silly laws because they need changing.
Saying you are trying to scare someone or teach them a lesson (for example) by aiming a massive lorry pretty much at them and sandwiching them between the kerb while blasting an air horn is not any form of excuse in my book.
Really do not get the whole 'no one was hurt, so its ok' attitude people have :roll:
You cyclists that seem to want these people on the roads or even in society are funny :shock:
It's because it's the knee jerk response of a lot of people on here to any incident where a cyclist has been knocked off or had a near miss. It is not attempt murder and there isn't a hope in hell of getting any charge for it home. The CPS would laugh at any SIO that went seeking an authority to charge for it to them. You need proof that the driver intended to kill the rider to get murder or attempted murder home. You need proof the driver attempted to injure or endanger the rider or was reckless in their actions to be looking at manslaughter but only in the event the cyclist was killed. As they weren't and as you rightly point out, attempted manslaughter doesn't exist. In all probability you have a driver who was going too fast, saw the cyclist too late, blasted the horn in warning as if there was any likelihood of the cyclist being able to take avoiding action, and was lucky they didn't hit the cyclist. At best, you have dangerous driving or careless. With the right CPS Barrister, you might get assault with an attempted battery.I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.0 -
markhewitt1978 wrote:Thanks!
"UPDATE: Mark Turley, transport manager at Forest Of Dean Caravan, has seen the video and said he's "horrified" and will take disciplinary action when the driver returns, as well as co-operate with any police enquiry."
Excellent. Stand by for the driver's tacho records to be pulled to see what speeds they have been doing to fan the flames of their dismissal and police prosecution.I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.0 -
OP is quite simply lucky to be alive and in one piece after a pass like that - incredibly dangerous.
Admittedly I'm no expert, but assuming that the driver saw the cyclist late (so just before he started using the horn) then perhaps he felt that a radical move to the right around the cyclists might cause the rearmost caravan to swing out left in response and so hit the cyclist, hence the horn and close pass - perhaps he was trying to encourage the cyclist to hop onto the curb or down the side road and so out of harms way?
I don't know, I sort of hope that was the situation, rather than a driver who just doesn't give a fuck if he kills someone.
Either way driver shouldn't have been in this position and hopefully police/employer action reduces the likelihood of such an event repeating itself.0 -
It just doesn't sound credible to me that he didnt see the cyclist and it was a warning beep.
What else was he looking at ? The road was empty. The cyclist wasn't obscured by shadows, or low sun, or a van or anything. He seemed to beep before passing too - I'm sure he could have gone wider easily.0 -
Yeah, warning beep my ars*. There's 3 full seconds of the horn sounding on the video before the truck appears on the camera! He had plenty of time to move out as other traffic was clearly able to do in the same conditions. That was entirely deliberate.cougie wrote:It just doesn't sound credible to me that he didnt see the cyclist and it was a warning beep.
What else was he looking at ? The road was empty. The cyclist wasn't obscured by shadows, or low sun, or a van or anything. He seemed to beep before passing too - I'm sure he could have gone wider easily.0 -
cougie wrote:It just doesn't sound credible to me that he didnt see the cyclist and it was a warning beep.
What else was he looking at ? The road was empty. The cyclist wasn't obscured by shadows, or low sun, or a van or anything. He seemed to beep before passing too - I'm sure he could have gone wider easily.
So it's either 'dangerous driving' (DD40) or 'driving without due care and attention' (CD10) - depending on the excuse given....0 -
But what's the betting the driver makes up some nonsense excuse which everyone knows is nonsense but you can't prove otherwise?0
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Agree with this, that looked deliberate. Sounds like the company is taking it seriously at any rate.cougie wrote:It just doesn't sound credible to me that he didnt see the cyclist and it was a warning beep.
What else was he looking at ? The road was empty. The cyclist wasn't obscured by shadows, or low sun, or a van or anything. He seemed to beep before passing too - I'm sure he could have gone wider easily.0 -
That might be the excuse the driver gives - but I just don't see that ... sorry - the road was wide enough for a wider pass without going into the opposite carriageway ... the opposite carriageway was completely clear anyway and there's no cars overtaking the lorry/caravan - so that's just not an excuse ...philthy3 wrote:In all probability you have a driver who was going too fast, saw the cyclist too late, blasted the horn in warning as if there was any likelihood of the cyclist being able to take avoiding action, and was lucky they didn't hit the cyclist
what are we left with? Someone who seems to want to intimidate a cyclist....0 -
Just been interviewed by road.cc website.
Thats diffrent for one of my videos.0 -
I think this is one of the few cycle cam videos I've seen where there is zero doubt it was a bad pass.0
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Slowbike wrote:
That might be the excuse the driver gives - but I just don't see that ... sorry - the road was wide enough for a wider pass without going into the opposite carriageway ... the opposite carriageway was completely clear anyway and there's no cars overtaking the lorry/caravan - so that's just not an excuse ...philthy3 wrote:In all probability you have a driver who was going too fast, saw the cyclist too late, blasted the horn in warning as if there was any likelihood of the cyclist being able to take avoiding action, and was lucky they didn't hit the cyclist
what are we left with? Someone who seems to want to intimidate a cyclist....
I agree and without having seen the video only the still image. The driver is a muppet and in the real world should receive a ban (if he's due to retire, that should be the end of his Class 1 or 2 driving days) and a bloody good fine. But, I bet he will claim he hadn't seen the cyclist and was giving a warning of his approach. I just hope his tacho shows him speeding to support a prosecution for dangerous or careless. In reality he's lucky he (or she) isn't facing a more serious offence of death by dangerous or careless.I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.0 -
It's front page on road.cc now0
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Watching this video made me feel sick. I have had a few close shaves myself, but this has to be as close as you could get without actually being hit - and likely killed.
OP is so lucky to be around to tell the tale and not just another sad statistic - well done for holding it together. I truly hope the driver faces some very serious consequences from both the law and employer.0 -
It's hard to say if it was deliberate. Undue care and attention, well,...yes. Either way the incident happened and the evidence is captured on film, take the driver to the cleaners.
Edit: pleased you are OK, must have been quite a shock!!0 -
I tend to take this kind of thread with a pinch of salt but I was pretty appalled by the vid. It seems to me that this was a punishment pass because the driver thought that the cyclist should be off the carriageway. I think it is being taken seriously, justice will be done, fortunately nobody died and it's time to move on...0
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Do not think its time to move on at all.
Hopefully the driver will end up in court at the very least and we can all track his demise like a strava segment.
Seems to me he thought he could play with a cyclists life in his big scary lorry.
Hope a world of sh1t opens up for him courtesy of go pro.
If you think thats harsh............. like you said..........nobody died
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Holy S**t, That is freaking close ,,very scary ...i had some close passes which left shaking and very fightened !
That idiot could have killed you ,the gust of wind of the pass could knock you off your bike at that speed .Shocking stuff!
Do you always wear video camera and why ,how did it start ? Have you had a another bad expierence on the road.0 -
With u all the way on this one .... This needs a harsh punishment - well, harsh by the current pansy sentences handed down ... It's beyond a joke!Carbonator wrote:Do not think its time to move on at all.
Hopefully the driver will end up in court at the very least and we can all track his demise like a strava segment.
Seems to me he thought he could play with a cyclists life in his big scary lorry.
Hope a world of sh1t opens up for him courtesy of go pro.
If you think thats harsh............. like you said..........nobody died0 -
It is sheer bloody stupidity and reckless. A sudden flat or debris in the road to make the rider suddenly alter their line and in the blink of an eye it's a different story. One dead cyclist, two families lives turned on their heads and a prison sentence for someone about to retire. Absolutely stupid.I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.0
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Wow, the slow motion really captures just how deliberate and dangerous this was. You can actually see how the driver is still moving towards the edge of the road in order to intimidate even more, how he uses his horn to bully before he even gets to him.
This was no error of judgement or mistake. This was an angry man (or woman..) wanting to give a cyclist a lesson due to their own personal agenda, it could so easily have ended horribly. I hope this driver gets the book thrown at him both by his employer and the Police.0 -
philthy3 wrote:It is sheer bloody stupidity and reckless. A sudden flat or debris in the road to make the rider suddenly alter their line and in the blink of an eye it's a different story. One dead cyclist, two families lives turned on their heads and a prison sentence for someone about to retire. Absolutely stupid.
One family would have their lives turned upside down for sure, but I am not so confident (unfortunately) it would be two.
Who is retiring? Do you know how old the driver is?0 -
I use a camra for three reasons.
1. What has happenned. Also if it happens to some else and me there is more information to sort it out in the future.
2 . potholes record what the are like and where, so I can put them on fillthathole Web site. I wish more peple would! Broke 2 wheels the other week on a pothole
3. Fun. Going down hill fast. The fun after the pain.0 -
Carbonator wrote:philthy3 wrote:It is sheer bloody stupidity and reckless. A sudden flat or debris in the road to make the rider suddenly alter their line and in the blink of an eye it's a different story. One dead cyclist, two families lives turned on their heads and a prison sentence for someone about to retire. Absolutely stupid.
One family would have their lives turned upside down for sure, but I am not so confident (unfortunately) it would be two.
Who is retiring? Do you know how old the driver is?
One of the earlier posts said the driver had been identified and is due to retire in a few months.I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.0 -
Did it? Can't find anything.0
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philthy3 wrote:One of the earlier posts said the driver had been identified and is due to retire in a few months.
The driver has almost certainly been identified by now, but there's no info on his age, or retirement plans, or anything like that in this thread. Not sure where that came from.0 -
I'm part of a team that investigates fatal and serious collisions. I've watched the video several times now and this really needs to be put before a court. The road is plenty wide enough and there is a good view ahead so no need to rush the overtake. Other vehicles pass the bike quite sedately with no issues. It's only my opinion but it looks like a deliberately close pass to me. I think a court would agree.0
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Imposter wrote:philthy3 wrote:One of the earlier posts said the driver had been identified and is due to retire in a few months.
The driver has almost certainly been identified by now, but there's no info on his age, or retirement plans, or anything like that in this thread. Not sure where that came from.
That's odd? I'm certain I read a post here saying the MD or someone had responded, the driver had been identified, agreed the standard was unsatisfactory and that the driver was due for retirement in a few months. I either imagined it or the post has been edited?I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.0 -
I'm a bit late to the feast, but...
Wow. That it disgraceful, no excuses.
I really hope something comes of this, how can people like this be allowed to use the roads when they are clearly THAT mentally defective.
At the very least, hopefully the driver in question has had the sh!t scared out of him (in terms of continued employment) to some extent.0
