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Richie Porte's Pinarello Dogma

protoproto Posts: 1,483
edited February 2014 in Pro race
Looking at the Pro bike: Richie Porte’s Pinarello Dogma 65.1 Think2 on the home page of this site and bit bemused by it. http://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/article/pro-bike-richie-portes-pinarello-dogma-65-1-think2-39614/

He's supposedly 5' 8" tall, yet rides a 46.5cm frame, and even allowing for Pinarello's odd sizing, this is tiny. It also says his BB to saddle top dimension is 677mm.

I'm 5' 8" tall too, and by contrast, my Dogma is a 51.5cm and my BB to saddle to dimension is 727. I'm a fairly regular shape, not especially long legs, so what gives?.

Anyone know how tall he really is?
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  • Richmond RacerRichmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    yeah, its the right height

    (and its also the height given on the team website)
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 25,193
    Frames are made for us normal people. Pro's have to ride super small frames with long seat posts and log stems to get the agressive position they require...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • Richmond RacerRichmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    ddraver wrote:
    Frames are made for us normal people. Pro's have to ride super small frames with long seat posts and log stems to get the agressive position they require...


    And as mentioned elsewhere, Cav (who's an inch taller than Porte, IIRC) has just dropped down from a 52 to a 49
  • above_the_cowsabove_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    As someone who rides that sized frame, I can tell you he's going to struggle to get his bidon on the seat tube out. The penchant for cabling inside the frame has improved things somewhat in this regard - I no longer catch the mouth bit/nipple (does it have a name?) of my bidon on my brake cable anymore (hell that was annoying), but it's still a struggle, it is not a smooth manoeuvre, not to be done on bad surfaces or in aggressive crosswinds while riding with others.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • protoproto Posts: 1,483
    Seat post is well down in the seat tube, lower than I'd expect to see on some cafe warrior's bike, and the stem is listed as 120mm, and by the looks of it is a fairly typical 6° jobbie, not a -17° you seem on some pro's bike. It just doesn't add up, there's no way he can be 5' 8" tall. All a bit odd.
  • protoproto Posts: 1,483
    The figure of 677, BB to saddle height, do they measure to the saddle rails or saddle top?
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 25,193
    I'm sure the Pinerello/Team Sky bikefitters would benefit from your knowledge, e-mail them...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Richmond RacerRichmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    ddraver wrote:
    I'm sure the Pinerello/Team Sky bikefitters would benefit from your knowledge, e-mail them...


    https://www.retul.com/
  • thegreatdividethegreatdivide Posts: 5,626
    Hmm...I'm sure his height has 'changed' because I've deffo seen him listed at 171cm before.
  • rayjayrayjay Posts: 1,384
    Does not look aggressive at all. Not a massive drop. Seat is not high, so he must have quite short legs or not as tall as is suggested.
  • ChrisrebbeckChrisrebbeck Posts: 133
    He looked comfortable enough on the TDU this morning?
  • Bo DukeBo Duke Posts: 1,058
    Blimey. Wouldn't fancy 5 hours on that diddily thing!
    'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP
  • Paul 8vPaul 8v Posts: 5,458
    It looks like a kids bike when the parent has bought the wrong size and then tried to make it fit! I'm sure it makes more sense when he's actually on it.
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  • Paul 8vPaul 8v Posts: 5,458
    Compare it to the proportions of Froome's bike:
    http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/p ... nk2-37547/

    Edit: I think it might just be because it looks cack in that particular size.
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  • Richmond RacerRichmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Holy Mary, what a...

    Porte and Cav's Pinas together at the Tour in 2012: both bikes looked diddy, downright hilariously so when they were anywhere near Brad, Rogers, Froome, Knees etc. But same goes for the fellas.
  • above_the_cowsabove_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Paul 8v wrote:
    It looks like a kids bike...

    Oi, Some of us are just small. :(

    *OFF TOPIC NOT RACING RELATED BIKE ACCESSORY WINGE* As an aside to small bicycles, I wish someone made a bike bag specifically for small bicycles. There is more spare space than bike in mine. I measured that if the bag was actually made to fit the bike that I would be able to check my bicycle in as regular luggage as it would fit the standard luggage dimensions.*OFF TOPIC NOT RACING RELATED BIKE ACCESSORY WINGE*
    Correlation is not causation.
  • AnonymousAnonymous Posts: 79,667
    Maybe its a weight saver? Does anyone know the difference?
  • Paul 8vPaul 8v Posts: 5,458
    Above The Cows wrote:

    Oi, Some of us are just small. :(
    Sorry, I'm not exactly Peter Crouch when it comes to height, just meant it looks a bit squished and weird, nowt wrong with being shorter :wink:
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  • fat_catfat_cat Posts: 566
    Looking at the footage of him walking next to Stannard on last nights TDU coverage there is no way he's 5 8. Unless Stannard is 7 ft.
  • inseineinseine Posts: 5,786
    proto wrote:
    The figure of 677, BB to saddle height, do they measure to the saddle rails or saddle top?

    Quintana is supposed to be 5'3'' (166cm) and rides with a saddle height of 695.
    http://cyclinganddesign.blogspot.fr/
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 65,401 Lives Here
    thegreatdivide wrote:
    Hmm...I'm sure his height has 'changed' because I've deffo seen him listed at 171cm before.

    Same height as me and I ride a (on the small side) 51 and I'm about as flexible as a pane of glass.
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  • JohnnyAllezJohnnyAllez Posts: 785
    That effective top tube length on Porte's Dogma of 515mm puts it nearer to a 52 frame size if from some other frame manufacturers, Specialized for eg.
    Jens says "Shut up legs !! "

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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 65,401 Lives Here
    JohnnyAllez wrote:
    That effective top tube length on Porte's Dogma of 515mm puts it nearer to a 52 frame size if from some other frame manufacturers, Specialized for eg.

    There you go. Basically same size frame for the same height.
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  • Paul 8vPaul 8v Posts: 5,458
    http://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/arti ... oil-39613/

    Caleb Ewans bike, another small frame for some dimension comparisons
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  • Bo DukeBo Duke Posts: 1,058
    Paul 8v wrote:
    Compare it to the proportions of Froome's bike:
    http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/p ... nk2-37547/

    Edit: I think it might just be because it looks cack in that particular size.
    Froome needs a bigger frame to cope with the power of the after burners! :D

    Joking aside, I'm pretty sure the lads ride bikes tailored for each race if not each stage. I mean would Ritchie use that small bike for a mountain stage as well as 5 hours on the flat? I'm no expert, but I doubt it.
    'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP
  • inseineinseine Posts: 5,786
    Bo Duke wrote:
    Paul 8v wrote:
    Compare it to the proportions of Froome's bike:
    http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/p ... nk2-37547/

    Edit: I think it might just be because it looks cack in that particular size.
    Froome needs a bigger frame to cope with the power of the after burners! :D

    Joking aside, I'm pretty sure the lads ride bikes tailored for each race if not each stage. I mean would Ritchie use that small bike for a mountain stage as well as 5 hours on the flat? I'm no expert, but I doubt it.

    I'd be very surprised if he changed his position even a mm from race to race. How are you 'pretty sure'?
    http://cyclinganddesign.blogspot.fr/
  • protoproto Posts: 1,483
    Talking to fellow last night who met Ritchie Porte last year. Says he's tiny, about 5' 6" he reckons, which probably explains a lot.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 25,193
    proto wrote:
    Talking to fellow last night who met Ritchie Porte last year. Says he's tiny, about 5' 6" he reckons, which probably explains a lot.

    Are you suggesting that Team Sky don't know how to use a Tape Measure now?
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Richmond RacerRichmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    edited January 2014
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  • Richmond RacerRichmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    ddraver wrote:
    proto wrote:
    Talking to fellow last night who met Ritchie Porte last year. Says he's tiny, about 5' 6" he reckons, which probably explains a lot.

    Are you suggesting that Team Sky don't know how to use a Tape Measure now?


    Add Porte's official website to that


    This is probably the funniest thread around these parts for some time
    :)
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