Saddle with big cutout.

asjc
asjc Posts: 103
edited January 2014 in Road general
Evenin' all, have a problem, my dr has suggested that I take some time off the bike due to a urinary tract infection ( god I hate saying that) that may be present and is proving to be difficult to sort, extremely tender in the perineum area.
Not riding is really not an option, I ride to work daily ,36 mile round trip and due to having a young family it's the only riding I can do. Clutching at straws but I need to find a saddle with a half decent hole in it to rest that area. Anybody out there use anything like that for the same kind of reason? Thanks.

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  • MattC59
    MattC59 Posts: 5,408
    Have a look at the Sella San Marco Mantra, it's fairly firm, but has a huge cut out and a good shape.
    Obviously, everyone is different when it comes to saddles, but it suits me we'll. I've not found a bad review about this one.
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  • One option for you could be a Topeak Allay saddle. It has no centre section at all but instead has a kevlar hammock arrangement with an adjustable air cushion underneath. I used them on all my bikes a few years ago when I had damaged nerves in the perinial area and still have one on my mtb.

    Unfortunately they stopped producing them a few years ago but you may find the odd one about (they seem to be in stock here if you like white).
  • Strith
    Strith Posts: 541
    Maybe this:
    http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-t ... ellsadd393
    I've not tried one though, but a couple of the guys have mentioned they're good in the past.
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    Strith wrote:
    Maybe this:
    http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-t ... ellsadd393
    I've not tried one though, but a couple of the guys have mentioned they're good in the past.

    That one's wide though, the OP wants an STD one.
  • Strith
    Strith Posts: 541
    mfin wrote:
    Strith wrote:
    Maybe this:
    http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-t ... ellsadd393
    I've not tried one though, but a couple of the guys have mentioned they're good in the past.

    That one's wide though, the OP wants an STD one.

    They come in different sizes. He can pick whichever.
  • asjc
    asjc Posts: 103
    Thanks people, appreciate the replies, I was looking at the superflow one, I think its the kind of thing, most of my bikes have selle saddles on , much older ones though, and I do like them, i find my old suede turbo great. I do get a numb...er...knob, for want of a better word, ok penis, quite a lot on longer more intense rides even with a selle xr with a small cutout, maybe a bigger one would help that problem too, I do get that problem with a fitzik Antares as well,
    I should head over to the saddle swapshop above when it re appears and see if anybody has one of the things mentioned above that i can , blag, swap, steel or just buy off them if that's how it works. Thanks all.
  • asjc
    asjc Posts: 103
    Just googled that selle smp posted above by madasahattersley, chain r. are doing a model for 35 quid or so, you tried that? your one doesn't seem to have such a radical nose.
  • handful
    handful Posts: 920
    asjc wrote:
    I should head over to the saddle swapshop above when it re appears and see if anybody has one of the things mentioned above that i can , blag, swap, steel or just buy off them if that's how it works. Thanks all.

    The saddle swapshop is still there, just moved and you have to be logged in to see it. Link below will work if you are logged in to the site. :)
    http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40112&t=12938414
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  • asjc
    asjc Posts: 103
    asjc wrote:
    Just googled that selle smp posted above by madasahattersley, chain r. are doing a model for 35 quid or so, you tried that? your one doesn't seem to have such a radical nose.

    I haven't no, that one cost me £145 at trade, so they are pretty dear. The ones suitable for fast road riding are the Composit, Evolution, Stratos, Forma, Dynamic, Lite 209 and Glider. Most of the others are better used on hybrid/comfort bikes but may well be worth a punt to see if it agrees with you.

    Yup i can see the difference and after looking at their web site thought the composit model the one, man they are expensive eh, i have a few bikes in regular use and a couple of dry weather bikes so guess i shall try to find one at a price that i can do and see how it goes, maybe instead of buying lots of saddles i should get rid of lots of bikes.... :roll: thanks again.
  • diy
    diy Posts: 6,473
    I'd also consider moving the saddle as far forward as possible so you get better support on your sit bone.

    The other option is a gel cover just to spread the load a bit.

    Might also be worth slamming the stem and adding clip ons so that you can get more of your weight over the bars and off the bum.
  • asjc
    asjc Posts: 103
    diy wrote:
    I'd also consider moving the saddle as far forward as possible so you get better support on your sit bone.

    The other option is a gel cover just to spread the load a bit.

    Might also be worth slamming the stem and adding clip ons so that you can get more of your weight over the bars and off the bum.

    I think i need to get all the weight on my sit bones, because all of my saddles, apart from my fitzik airone , not Antares as i previously said and my selle italia xr (doeas have a small cutout) are really old school i don't think i would be able avoid getting my perium area in less contact with the long part of the saddle than it is in now. Ta for the idea though. gonna check out the second hand market-anybody got anything? Cheers all.
  • mfin wrote:
    the OP wants an STD one.

    I thought he only had a urinary tract infection :shock:
  • ai_1
    ai_1 Posts: 3,060
    I tried a few saddles in the last few months of last year due to some numbness on longer rides that I wasn't happy about. All but one had either cut-outs or unconventional shapes to avoid perinium pressure.
    I tried the Fizik Arione, Cobb V-Flow Plus, ISM Adamo TT, ISM Adamo Breakaway and Specialised Romin EVO Expert.
    I found all of them but the Arione considerably better than my previous Specialised BG saddle (not sure the exact model)

    Verdicts:

    Fizik Arione - Conventional saddle. I found it pretty comfy initially but no real improvement with numbness on long rides

    Cobb V-Flow Plus - Felt a little wide when sitting up on long rides. Didn't chafe thighs but took some getting used to. Big improvement in terms of numbness and very comfortable in the drops when riding fast.

    ISM Adamo TT - Was given this by a silly guy in the LBS. As the name implies this is a TT specific saddle and I didn't find it suitable for normal road riding. Fine when low in the drops but very uncomfortable when more upright.

    ISM Adamo Breakaway - No numbness whatsoever. These Adamo saddles take a few rides to get used to but they completely eliminated the soreness and numbness I'd had. Like the Cobb this felt a little wide when in an upright position and I didn't love it on the hills but I think I may have gotten used to this with a little more use. Despite the wide feel it didn't chafe and was not at all painful. It was extremely comfortable in low riding positions.

    Specialised Romin EVO Expert - Pretty comfortable all rounder. Not as good as the Adamo & Cobb saddles for eliminating pressure but a more conventional feel. I prefer it when climbing but it's not nearly as good for me when in the drops.

    I'm using the Romin at the moment but will probably go back to the Breakaway or the new Adamo Attack as my final choice. These are a bit pricey and not terribly lightweight but they do completely eliminate perineum pressure once you're used to them which is the priority for me. Some things aren't worth risking.
  • asjc
    asjc Posts: 103
    mfin wrote:
    the OP wants an STD one.

    I thought he only had a urinary tract infection :shock:

    It is, but its bought up the perineum problem, its like a cystitis ache that runs between the bottom and penis, i haven't actually received the results back from the doc to be honest but the U T infection is what i want it to be if you get my drift. Cheers.
  • asjc
    asjc Posts: 103
    Thanks Ai_1 and Me-109, that's a good load of info, shall digest that. I think that superflow is the one i want, like i said, i like selle italia saddles, but in the end , like always, i shall probably have to get something i can afford :lol: Thanks.
  • Just a joke in poor taste - no offence intended.

    Back on topic, I had a Fizik Arione on my bike when I bought it and I found that it caused a lot of perineal discomfort on longer rides. It was not pleasant having a burning sensation when going to the toilet for some time after a long ride. I swapped for a Specialized Toupe Gel which seems shorter and is much more comfortable than the Arione and I haven't had any perineal discomfort since. The cut-out isn't enormous but it seems to have made a big difference.
  • The Mechanic
    The Mechanic Posts: 1,277
    I bought a Selle SMP 209 Lite after I had surgery for prostate cancer last summer. I get no perineum discomfort at all but I am not convinced it is the saddle for me. I tend to get a pressure point on one of my sit bones. The jury is still out on it.

    I am keen to try a Spesh Romin but, after spending £140 on the SMP, the finance director is reluctant to release funds for another saddle research project. Still negotiating though. :lol:
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  • macroadie
    macroadie Posts: 172
    asjc wrote:
    Evenin' all, have a problem, my dr has suggested that I take some time off the bike due to a urinary tract infection ( god I hate saying that) that may be present and is proving to be difficult to sort, extremely tender in the perineum area.
    Not riding is really not an option, I ride to work daily ,36 mile round trip and due to having a young family it's the only riding I can do. Clutching at straws but I need to find a saddle with a half decent hole in it to rest that area. Anybody out there use anything like that for the same kind of reason? Thanks.

    It might be worth getting a specialist measure the size of your sit bones and that will help to know what kind of saddles work for your physique.

    ISM Adamo TT – Comfy but chaffes every 40 + miles. Chaffes my right side always so this might be a case of getting another fit
    Selle SMP Extra Saddle – More comfortable than ISM Adamo but still some chaffing after 45 miles range
    Want to try the Selle SMP Pro saddle since it has a larger cutout….
  • asjc
    asjc Posts: 103
    Just a joke in poor taste - no offence intended.

    None taken man, I wasn't exactly forthcoming in the original post.


    Thanks mechanic, that one is on the list. Will take a look at the others suggested also,
    Thanks for all the replies people once again.
  • ai_1
    ai_1 Posts: 3,060
    macroadie wrote:
    ISM Adamo TT – Comfy but chaffes every 40 + miles. Chaffes my right side always so this might be a case of getting another fit
    Selle SMP Extra Saddle – More comfortable than ISM Adamo but still some chaffing after 45 miles range
    Want to try the Selle SMP Pro saddle since it has a larger cutout….
    Unless you're always in an aero tuck the ISM Adamo TT is probably a bad choice. I found the ISM Adamo Breakaway far better for longer rides with a mix of terrain and positions. Not perfect but very good and considerably better than the TT which I liked in the tuck but disliked the rest of the time. There's also a new Adamo called the Attack which is supposed to allow more position flexibility for road riding. Haven't had an opportunity to try it yet.
  • dov2711
    dov2711 Posts: 131
    This is a subject which caused me huge challenges a few years back after the urologist advised that I stop cycling. Thankfully I was saw by a surgeon who was a cyclist and who gave me a range of options to look into.

    The best advice was a bike fit and the selle smp range. I started on the hybrid saddle on a mountain bike to get going again and now run Lite 209's on 3 of my bikes and dynamic on my cyclocross bike. Put in 4000 miles last year which was unthinkable a few short years ago.

    I have tried the Selle smp pro and found it too wide for me (im 5' 7 65kg) I have a selle smp pro in white which has a very very minor scuff in my garage which Im happy to sell on for £80 or so.

    Email if you want pictures. If your not after the pro please dont take this solely as a sales pitch they really are great saddles (my wife also runs the 209 on her bikes now)
  • asjc
    asjc Posts: 103
    dov2711 wrote:
    This is a subject which caused me huge challenges a few years back after the urologist advised that I stop cycling. Thankfully I was saw by a surgeon who was a cyclist and who gave me a range of options to look into.

    The best advice was a bike fit and the selle smp range. I started on the hybrid saddle on a mountain bike to get going again and now run Lite 209's on 3 of my bikes and dynamic on my cyclocross bike. Put in 4000 miles last year which was unthinkable a few short years ago.

    I have tried the Selle smp pro and found it too wide for me (im 5' 7 65kg) I have a selle smp pro in white which has a very very minor scuff in my garage which Im happy to sell on for £80 or so.

    Email if you want pictures. If your not after the pro please dont take this solely as a sales pitch they really are great saddles (my wife also runs the 209 on her bikes now)

    Thanks for the info, really very useful, it may be time to kiss goodbye to my old saddles, just got a lovely turbomatic from languid on here too, it is going to be very difficult to put a modern saddle on my 70's woodrup, 80's Bennotto, 90's Quinn or any of the other old trouts I ride. It may work on my orca though, I shall ponder ....will pm you shortly.
  • asjc
    asjc Posts: 103

    That's an interesting thing eh, wonder if it works, there are some pressure charts on the site that still seem quite high compared to the standard saddle but I am not entirely sure how to read them , cool though, I shall watch this space.
  • domgears
    domgears Posts: 135
    Here's my favourite one. I don't use it for that reason, but I love it all the same, even if it's as hard as a piece of wood.

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    I have the Selle SMP Dynamic Carbon, expensive yes but worth every penny, I just went for a bike fit recently and as part of that they have a cover over the saddle to measure the weight distribution.

    The Dynamic does distribute very very well, there is some material online about their reasoning for the shape etc.

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/ ... our_240576

    http://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/blo ... bout-smps/

    http://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/blo ... smp-seats/

    Some interesting stuff, I certainly find it more comfortable than any other saddle I have used but that's personal preference and there are a lot I haven't tried
  • neeb
    neeb Posts: 4,467
    This is a difficult subject because everyone's anatomy and position on the bike is slightly different. As or more important than cut-outs IMO is just the overall shape of the saddle - for me, I need something that is slightly higher at the back and not too curved at the back so that the sitbones are supported without there being any significant pressure in front. But setup on the bike is also crucially important - I agree with the comment above about experimenting with saddle fore/aft position. Also make sure that the saddle isn't too high. You should be able to feel your bum almost lifting off the saddle when you pedal hard when seated. However you do it, you just need to keep experimenting until you can sit comfortably on the bike in your normal riding position and have nearly all of your weight supported by the sitbones. The perineum should be in contact with the saddle but without any real pressure or weight on it.

    This is a problem I had 10 years ago when I used to commute and cycle casually, but haven't had at all since shortly after taking up serious road cycling. It's partially down to good fitting, setup and equipment, and partially to improved technique. It's worth noting that professional cyclists, who spend much of their waking hours in the saddle, hardly ever have this problem of numbness / perineal pressure (they might have other problems such as saddle sores however).

    Does the doctor think that the urinary tract infection is being exacerbated/prolonged by the saddle pressure? These are really two different things, although obviously if you have a UTI it's not going to help having pressure on that area... This is something I also had once and I put it down to the bib shorts harbouring something... Of course you know it is really important to always, always wash shorts after every single use. But even then I suspect things can remain in the pad, especially as most washing instructions specify low temperature washing. It's worth turning the shorts inside out every now and a again and leaving the pad in full sunlight for a few hours. Also, what I always do now is remove them as soon as I get in and immediately rinse them in cold water in the sink. They then get gently wrung out and hung up to drip before going into the washing machine once I have a few others to do at the same time. What you don't want to do is leave the shorts sitting soaked in sweat on the floor for any length of time before washing.
  • macroadie
    macroadie Posts: 172
    Ai_1 wrote:
    macroadie wrote:
    ISM Adamo TT – Comfy but chaffes every 40 + miles. Chaffes my right side always so this might be a case of getting another fit
    Selle SMP Extra Saddle – More comfortable than ISM Adamo but still some chaffing after 45 miles range
    Want to try the Selle SMP Pro saddle since it has a larger cutout….
    Unless you're always in an aero tuck the ISM Adamo TT is probably a bad choice. I found the ISM Adamo Breakaway far better for longer rides with a mix of terrain and positions. Not perfect but very good and considerably better than the TT which I liked in the tuck but disliked the rest of the time. There's also a new Adamo called the Attack which is supposed to allow more position flexibility for road riding. Haven't had an opportunity to try it yet.
    True and it took me months to figure that out.
  • edten
    edten Posts: 228
    Ive used Spesh toupe, Spesh Roman, Selle SMP Composite, Selle Itlalia SLR Flow and the Super flow.

    They're all pretty good but Selle SMP and the Superflow were the comfiest. I had to ditch the SMP after a couple of years as I used to get saddle sores doing long winter miles, although it was comfortable, well at least after the very painful first couple of weeks getting used to it - very hard on the sit bones...and it's bloody fugly. The Selle Italia Superflow is the best out of the lot. ..for me at least. No saddle sores or numbness whatsoever.
  • patrickf
    patrickf Posts: 536
    I'll pop a vote in for Specialized Romin Evo. I got my backside measured up at the Specialized Concept Store the other day.

    Just completed the first ride on the turbo with no issues at all - so much more comfortable than my previous Charge Spoon. I'd be in agony after 10-20 minutes with that on the turbo.

    That said, what works for me may not work for you. That's why I quite like Specialized's guarantee. You can return your saddle within 30 days for a credit towards another saddle if you don't get on with it.