What do Sky do that makes them so strong? non-doping thread
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Fact-That proves CSC were not riding at race pace#
Fact-No offence rayjay but assuming you re not a pro Rider that means they really werent trying at all!
Fact-you need to calm down, hissy fits don't help your pointWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Fact - Team Skys chef worked for 5 years at CSC yet Sky make out they are the first team to have a full time chef.0
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greasedscotsman wrote:rayjay wrote:Fact , I climbed up Alp D' huez with CSC from top to bottom.
Not bottom to top? :?
Well spotted. I will edit before SJM starts saying it's impossible to go down twice without going up and then give us a lecture about gravity and how Einstein got it wrong and how Sky can time travel
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ddraver wrote:Fact-That proves CSC were not riding at race pace#
Fact-No offence rayjay but assuming you re not a pro Rider that means they really werent trying at all!
Fact-you need to calm down, hissy fits don't help your point
Well you don't know how fast they were going and how fast I can climb, I am not a pro rider. We were well under an hour. My wife said it was around 5O mins she was at the top waiting and went past us on the way up,
Fact, that was only ONE ride and like I said they came to train [which is the point] and I was not around to see what else they did.
I'm not the one upset about a pillow fact
You need to take a chill pill and stop desperately trying to prove me wrong ... 0 -
rayjay wrote:
Well you don't know how fast they were going and how fast I can climb, I am not a pro rider. We were well under an hour. My wife said it was around 5O mins she was at the top waiting and went past us on the way up,
Won't be 50 mins. Lemond and Hinault did it in 48 minutes when they arrived together in 1986 and that's the 35th fastest recorded ascent (according to wiki).0 -
sjmclean wrote:It could though, imagine you could have the same matress to sleep on every night, one which has been specifically picked for you and you are used to sleeping on, instead of 21 different ones. some may be soft, to hard etc. In Weegilus's book he said at a race one he had a bed that had a huge nail sticking through it and he had to sleep on the floor. I'm no expert but I imagine he didn't feel to fresh the day after. which means he isn't as well rested, thus affecting his performance the next day.
Quite so; just imagine staying in 21 different hotel rooms over the course of three weeks, having to check in, unpack, figure out the room, the get used to the bed and the pillows etc 21 times is going to be exhausting in itself, so if that's all taken away, you get the same room (almost) the same bed, everything the same, it's just like sleeping at home every night.0 -
rayjay wrote:ddraver wrote:Fact-That proves CSC were not riding at race pace#
Fact-No offence rayjay but assuming you re not a pro Rider that means they really werent trying at all!
Fact-you need to calm down, hissy fits don't help your point
Well you don't know how fast they were going and how fast I can climb, I am not a pro rider. We were well under an hour. My wife said it was around 5O mins she was at the top waiting and went past us on the way up,
Fact, that was only ONE ride and like I said they came to train [which is the point] and I was not around to see what else they did.
I'm not the one upset about a pillow fact
You need to take a chill pill and stop desperately trying to prove me wrong ...
No one needs to try to prove you wrong - your perfectly capable of doing that yourself. usually becasue in your hissy fits you end up tying yourself in knots and trampling all over your original point
I don't know how fast you can climb but I DO know you cant climb as fast as someone who rides for a livingWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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greasedscotsman wrote:rayjay wrote:Fact , I climbed up Alp D' huez with CSC from top to bottom.
Not bottom to top? :?
Love it. Last May, 2 of my mates rode up the Polsa - the 20k hill climb that was the stage 18 uphill ITT in last year's Giro - sticking all the way up the climb just behind Nibali and a couple of his team mates, a couple of hours ahead of the start of the stage.
Riding up a climb behind some pros...tells you nada. FACT.0 -
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Rick Chasey wrote:rayjay wrote:
Well you don't know how fast they were going and how fast I can climb, I am not a pro rider. We were well under an hour. My wife said it was around 5O mins she was at the top waiting and went past us on the way up,
Won't be 50 mins. Lemond and Hinault did it in 48 minutes when they arrived together in 1986 and that's the 35th fastest recorded ascent (according to wiki).
Really? I did it in under an hour both times I rode it, once as a recce the night before the Marmotte, then at the end of the Marmotte. On neither occasion was I going flat out and I didn't have a team of pros to help pace me either. 50 minutes would be very impressive but not beyond the realms of possibility IMHO.0 -
ddraver wrote:rayjay wrote:ddraver wrote:Fact-That proves CSC were not riding at race pace#
Fact-No offence rayjay but assuming you re not a pro Rider that means they really werent trying at all!
Fact-you need to calm down, hissy fits don't help your point
Well you don't know how fast they were going and how fast I can climb, I am not a pro rider. We were well under an hour. My wife said it was around 5O mins she was at the top waiting and went past us on the way up,
Fact, that was only ONE ride and like I said they came to train [which is the point] and I was not around to see what else they did.
I'm not the one upset about a pillow fact
You need to take a chill pill and stop desperately trying to prove me wrong ...
No one needs to try to prove you wrong - your perfectly capable of doing that yourself. usually becasue in your hissy fits you end up tying yourself in knots and trampling all over your original point
I don't know how fast you can climb but I DO know you cant climb as fast as someone who rides for a living
What hissy fits ...you seem to be very angry about all this. Again, Show me were I am wrong?
Why are you getting upset about how fast or slow I can climb. Relaxxxxxxxxxx
Rick, we went up pretty quick, I was not at the front but not at the back, I was quite comfy though, nothing more I can say as people will start asking endless questions trying to prove me wrong. It was just one ride for them . They could have been up and down 2 or 3 times already I did not ask them. The point was about riders training together as a team and that is what they were doing.0 -
Pro-climbing times:
In the Etape a few years ago, 2011, the one that went up the Télégraphe and the Galibier and ended on Alpe d'Huez (also known as the day I was sick on myself, not once, but twice :oops: ) wasn't the fastest time of the day slower than the grupetto (who came in outside the time limit) on Stage 19?
I'm not sure what this tells us, other than, even excellent amateur cyclists when they are trying all out are not as fast as non-climbing specialist pro-cyclists like "fat" Cav on similar/identical parcours while incidentally I am considerably (couple of hours) slower.
What this has to do with Sky I don't know. I'm taking a break from trying to figure out how to add the revisions I've been asked to make to an article while simultaneously deleting 500 words. I bet Sky doesn't have this problem. Brailsford would have a chart where he would have plotted out all possible comments in a peer review process and how to incorporate them while remaining within the word limit and making a strong coherent argument that advances the field.Correlation is not causation.0 -
Yes even the likes of Cav can climb well - wasn't his National Champs win on a fairly lumpy course?
Wouldn't surprise me if the top guys in the Marmotte could just about outclimb the worst climbers amongst the pros though - there will be some semi-pro climbing specialists in these big continental sportives - be interesting to see a couple slung into a Tour stage anyway.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
rayjay wrote:Rick, we went up pretty quick, I was not at the front but not at the back, I was quite comfy though, ...
Same time as a bunch of dopers? Got some reconciliation on your mind?
To one of your broader points, why is it impossible for Sky to simply better at attention to detail? Half of my family is Japanese and I can attest to the vast chasm between a running checklist, and a way of life :shock:...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Riding up a climb behind some pros...tells you nada. FACT.
Disagree. I "rode" with Rabobank at Roubaix in 2012 and can confirm the following.
1) There isn't much hope of me turning pro.
2) Professional cyclists do not stop of traffic lights, junctions, other road users, etc...0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Riding up a climb behind some pros...tells you nada. FACT.
Disagree. I "rode" with Rabobank at Roubaix in 2012 and can confirm the following.
1) There isn't much hope of me turning pro.
2) Professional cyclists do not stop of traffic lights, junctions, other road users, etc...
OK, well APART from those things...0 -
rayjay wrote:Rick, we went up pretty quick, I was not at the front but not at the back, I was quite comfy though, ...
Doper!0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Disagree. I "rode" with Rabobank at Roubaix in 2012 and can confirm the following.
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2) Professional cyclists do not stop of traffic lights, junctions, other road users, etc...
That's not because they're pros that's just because they're Dutch. Correlation is not causation.0 -
So good, they posted it twice....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0
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OK now my comment makes no sense so I'm editing it.Correlation is not causation.0
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Above The Cows wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:Disagree. I "rode" with Rabobank at Roubaix in 2012 and can confirm the following.
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2) Professional cyclists do not stop of traffic lights, junctions, other road users, etc...
That's not because they're pros that's just because they're Dutch.
"Rode" with Saeco and Alessio at Liege a few years earlier and they did much the same thing.0 -
Did I tell you about the time I rode with Marianne Vos and Ellen van Dijk? I kept up with them fairly easily too. So did a 13yr old girl on a Dutch Bike...
Funnily enough i don't think I could beat either of them in an actual race...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I think what speaks volumes for me about Sky and their inheritance from Team GB is the lack of dope busts on ex riders.
Look at USPS - how many of their lieutenants would leave and get busted.
Look at Team GB - any busts there ? And with the track squad - that's a fair few years we can go back.
Sky - Mick Rogers - but I'm not convinced that wasnt food contamination.
Get a good system in place with good trainers and throw money at it - and you'll have success.
You cant just throw money though - thats not all of it.0 -
ddraver wrote:Did I tell you about the time I rode with Marianne Vos and Ellen van Dijk? I kept up with them fairly easily too. So did a 13yr old girl on a Dutch Bike...
No. Tell us more...greasedscotsman wrote:"Rode" with Saeco and Alessio at Liege a few years earlier and they did much the same thing.
Well they're continentals... Errrr, continentals have no respect for the rules of road, I mean have you seen Belgian drivers? Errr, ummm, insert stereotype here...Correlation is not causation.0 -
Above The Cows wrote:Well they're continentals... Errrr, continentals have no respect for the rules of road, I mean have you seen Belgian drivers? Errr, ummm, insert stereotype here...
Wasn't there someone who posted the other day about riding with Sky? Was it something about the power meters? Can't remember who it was. But we need them to confirm if British pros obey the rules of the road...0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Above The Cows wrote:Well they're continentals... Errrr, continentals have no respect for the rules of road, I mean have you seen Belgian drivers? Errr, ummm, insert stereotype here...
Wasn't there someone who posted the other day about riding with Sky? Was it something about the power meters? Can't remember who it was. But we need them to confirm if British pros obey the rules of the road...
One of our posters from Convict Land
'displacedaussie' posted in the Sky-changing-power meters thread about being behind the Sky boys for a few mins t'other day 0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Above The Cows wrote:Well they're continentals... Errrr, continentals have no respect for the rules of road, I mean have you seen Belgian drivers? Errr, ummm, insert stereotype here...
Wasn't there someone who posted the other day about riding with Sky? Was it something about the power meters? Can't remember who it was. But we need them to confirm if British pros obey the rules of the road...
Well I can confirm from the pictures Sky are posting in the run up to the TDU, that they are at least observing OZ's compulsory helmet law.Correlation is not causation.0 -
Above The Cows wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:Above The Cows wrote:Well they're continentals... Errrr, continentals have no respect for the rules of road, I mean have you seen Belgian drivers? Errr, ummm, insert stereotype here...
Wasn't there someone who posted the other day about riding with Sky? Was it something about the power meters? Can't remember who it was. But we need them to confirm if British pros obey the rules of the road...
Well I can confirm from the pictures Sky are posting in the run up to the TDU, that they are at least observing OZ's compulsory helmet law.
I can also confirm that there are gratuitous displays of Bernie's bare chest in said pictures.
Just for the record.0 -
So posters on here have ridden comfortably with CSC, Rabobank, Saeco and Alessio, yet they can only manage a few minutes behind Sky.Richmond Racer wrote:One of our posters from Convict Land 'displacedaussie' posted in the Sky-changing-power meters thread about being behind the Sky boys for a few mins t'other day
Surely this is the best proof yet that Sky are doping.Twitter: @RichN950
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