Pig ignorant.

themekon

No wonder a lot of motorists hate us. Out for a ride this morning on a narrow country road. Car in front slows down to let a group of cyclists out from a turning on the right. The group of about 15 riders all proceeded along the road now in front of the car that had let them out. Did they do the polite thing and ride in single file to let her pass ? no .Carried on riding two and three abreast. So if you were in a group of riders that then called into the café in Mountsorrel at about 10.45 this morning, a word of advice, pack up cycling, you're just a bunch of tossers. Rant over.

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iPete

If said pack went single file, let's say 12 bikes back to back, that's a long chain, would passing have been safer on said road? How long was it before this cafe exit?

BillyMansell

Thanks for being honest and letting us know that you're pig ignorant. I couldn't have thought of a better title for someone who would display such vitriol towards another person's whole existence based upon their subjective opinion of a solitary situation.

ugo.santalucia

If the thread degenerates into a personal insult exchange, I'll close it in no time... and heads might even roll... :?

rickeverett

group ride waded onto my side of the road this morning - actually had to brake.

Lots of d*cks out there im afraid.

BillyMansell

ugo.santalucia wrote:

If the thread degenerates into a personal insult exchange, I'll close it in no time... and heads might even roll... :?

I don't know what you mean. The thread is entitled "Pig Ignorant" and the OP has highlighted their own pig ignorance by admitting to judging people based upon a single action, an admission that has been most helpful.

Alternatively I would say close it now as the original post was the first and only post to insult anyone so the threads degenerate from the outset.

Any threads that start with an inflammatory title for the sole purpose of insulting others because their actions were discordant with the subjective view of the OP, especially when that view is based upon something that is as open to misinterpretation and abuse as the Highway Code, are unlikely to improve.

ugo.santalucia

BillyMansell wrote:

ugo.santalucia wrote:

If the thread degenerates into a personal insult exchange, I'll close it in no time... and heads might even roll... :?

I don't know what you mean. The thread is entitled "Pig Ignorant" and the OP has highlighted their own pig ignorance by admitting to judging people based upon a single action, an admission that has been most helpful.

Alternatively I would say close it now as the original post was the first and only post to insult anyone so the threads degenerate from the outset.

Any threads that start with an inflammatory title for the sole purpose of insulting others because their actions were discordant with the subjective view of the OP, especially when that view is based upon something that is as open to misinterpretation and abuse as the Highway Code, are unlikely to improve.

What I mean is very clear:

if you say "some road cyclists are pig ignorant" that's fine, it can be a topic of discussion, maybe we can argue on the use of the word "pig", but I like pigs, hence it's not a big issue
If you say user XXX is a pig ignorant, that's a specific insult and it's against the rules (you can find them in the pink banner just above). As people get carried away in these (frankly pointless) discussions, I warn that I will be quick to lock the thread if this happens.

imposter2.0

Glad to see that BR has finally adopted a policy of pro-active moderating. About time.

ugo.santalucia

Imposter wrote:

Glad to see that BR has finally adopted a policy of pro-active moderating. About time.

There is no PRO-Active moderating. However, there is nothing preventing a mod. from reporting a thread and then taking action on it, if it turns sour.
I was passing by, smelled trouble and warned to avoid having to do just that

BillyMansell

ugo.santalucia wrote:

What I mean is very clear:

if you say "some road cyclists are pig ignorant" that's fine, it can be a topic of discussion, maybe we can argue on the use of the word "pig", but I like pigs, hence it's not a big issue
If you say user XXX is a pig ignorant, that's a specific insult and it's against the rules (you can find them in the pink banner just above). As people get carried away in these (frankly pointless) discussions, I warn that I will be quick to lock the thread if this happens.

The flaw in your argument is that if a forum poster says "some road cyclists are pig ignorant" and they are a road cyclist then they could be, by their own definition, pig ignorant as well as a forum poster so to refer to them in ether way could be correct. As to whether the OP was referring to some other cyclists being pig ignorant or themselves as one of those cyclists referred to as pig ignorant, we cannot be certain so both could equally apply.

I agree that these are pointless discussions but it's a quiet Sunday afternoon.

meursault

ugo.santalucia wrote:

What I mean is very clear:

if you say "some road cyclists are pig ignorant" that's fine, it can be a topic of discussion, maybe we can argue on the use of the word "pig", but I like pigs, hence it's not a big issue
If you say user XXX is a pig ignorant, that's a specific insult and it's against the rules (you can find them in the pink banner just above). As people get carried away in these (frankly pointless) discussions, I warn that I will be quick to lock the thread if this happens.

Ooh, Ooh pointless discussion, under socialism the pigs would be regulated by genuine democratic inner tubes.

themekon

I stand by my first post. The lady driver had done the decent thing in slowing to let them out. The decent thing for them to have done would be to have singled out and waved her by. try overtaking cyclists wobbling along three abreast.
I was behind the car for quite a while following them. They knew the car was there but made no attempt to single out. So yes, I would say that is being pig ignorant.
There is a new breed of cyclist out there who have no regard for any other road users.

WindyG

I saw an ignorant pig today, it just waddled around in it's field and just ignored me, how pig ignorant is that!

bernithebiker

WindyG wrote:

I saw an ignorant pig today, it just waddled around in it's field and just ignored me, how pig ignorant is that!

Nice!

As iPete pointed out, 14 riders in single file is not necessarily easier or safer to overtake than 7 x 2 abreast, or even 5 x 3 abreast.

It depends on the type of road, the visibility, etc.

A tractor doing 30km/h takes up pretty much the whole carriageway, and cars manage to overtake those without too much fuss; wait till clear, pull right out, overtake, pull in. All over in seconds.

A long line of riders will (usually) still put you into the oncoming carriageway, but you'll be there much longer as you have to get past such a long line. If a car does come the other way, you've got nowhere to go.

In some conditions, I would say a shorter, wider 'vehicle' is easier to get past than a long thin one.

Common sense is the name of the day...

de_sisti

themekon wrote:

I stand by my first post. The lady driver had done the decent thing in slowing to let them out. The decent thing for them to have done would be to have singled out and waved her by. try overtaking cyclists wobbling along three abreast.
I was behind the car for quite a while following them. They knew the car was there but made no attempt to single out. So yes, I would say that is being pig ignorant.
There is a new breed of cyclist out there who have no regard for any other road users.

@themekon, why didn't you yell out to the group to single out? :idea:

sloppyschleckonds

themekon wrote:

There is a new breed of cyclist out there who have no regard for any other road users.

Any in Sky kit?

Brakeless

So one car was held up for a few minutes by some cyclists. Big %*$)ing deal.

giant_man

No, the OP is correct. They were pig ignorant. I would have thought the same.

Bozman

He's got a point and that's why this shite reputation(f***in cyclists) is starting to rear it's ugly head.
I get grief off non cycling mates about cyclists being two or three abreast and refusing to go single file and I can't defend it, I come across it on narrow roads and it just amazes me that they just don't give a toss. I've even been forced over to the left by a pack of on-coming cyclists, if I'd been a car......?
The sister in-law came up from Surrey this weekend and had a go, apparently she doesn't mind the road closures and organised races which she'll go and watch, it's the big club runs that p1ss her off by refusing to go down to single file....... "even two a breast would be a start", but that's Surrey and cyclist's don't seem to popular there at the mo.

rickeverett

Bozman wrote:

He's got a point and that's why this shite reputation(f***in cyclists) is starting to rear it's ugly head.
I get grief off non cycling mates about cyclists being two or three abreast and refusing to go single file and I can't defend it, I come across it on narrow roads and it just amazes me that they just don't give a toss. I've even been forced over to the left by a pack of on-coming cyclists, if I'd been a car......?
The sister in-law came up from Surrey this weekend and had a go, apparently she doesn't mind the road closures and organised races which she'll go and watch, it's the big club runs that p1ss her off by refusing to go down to single file....... "even two a breast would be a start", but that's Surrey and cyclist's don't seem to popular there at the mo.

THIS happened to me today. Tw**s came out of a junction down onto the hill I was near the top on forcing me to slow and go off into the shite because they were all pushing in. It was a narrow country lane. What if I was a car or Tractor?

There seriously is a issue with poor cycling on the roads now since the increase we have enjoyed over the last couple of years. Seen a hell of a lot fail to signal or look behind too.

dabber

The easier to pass "7 x 2 abreast, or even 5 x 3 abreast" type argument misses the point. A driver may not like having to negotiate passing a single line of 14 riders but is unlikely to get as upset as being delayed by 2/3 abreast groups who they are likely to perceive as having made no attempt to ease their passage.

mfin

giant man wrote:

No, the OP is correct. They were pig ignorant. I would have thought the same.

I agree.

Also, singling out is maybe not the single best thing to do anyway. It's easy to split the group up a little so that drivers can overtake all the riders in sections just for one example. It's good manners to minimise holding up and inconveniencing drivers, this can be done in a variety of ways which be can achieved through different actions for different situations.

themekon

Brakeless wrote:

So one car was held up for a few minutes by some cyclists. Big %*$)ing deal.

I rest my case.

team47b

themekon wrote:

Brakeless wrote:

So one car was held up for a few minutes by some cyclists. Big %*$)ing deal.

I rest my case.

A perfect example of the false-consensus effect.

My case is resting too

Colinthecop

themekon wrote:

So if you were in a group of riders that then called into the café in Mountsorrel at about 10.45 this morning, a word of advice, pack up cycling, you're just a bunch of tossers.

No takers yet....?


:oops:

BillyMansell

Colinthecop wrote:

themekon wrote:

So if you were in a group of riders that then called into the café in Mountsorrel at about 10.45 this morning, a word of advice, pack up cycling, you're just a bunch of tossers.

No takers yet....?


:oops:

I bet they're all quivering wrecks having been brought to book by an internet vigilante.

adam0bmx0

madasahattersley wrote:

I was on a group ride this morning and it felt horrendously dangerous. I do almost all of my training alone, so I'm not used to the constant feeling of thinking your holding people up. Even in the days when I used to do lots of group riding I never felt like this. Generally if it's a small (5 or less) group of really experienced riders riding as a really tight knit group and being courteous you're fine, but it's groups of 12+ weekend warriors who are so new to cycling they don't know how to act on the road that damage our reputation. I feel MUCH more at ease when training alone.

After today I agree with you! Went out with a club in the Bristol area and would mostly be at the front, with a couple of others and wait for the rest of the group at the top of hills (was not a competitive club, more social with a few quick riders and laid back) never had any near misses or dodgy riding.

Moved to London, went out with a club today i'm thinking of joining and it was a bit chaotic! One scenario for example, riding two abreast about 12 riders, narrow lane, car coming at us ahead, road narrows, front lot slam on brakes, back lot then have no time to react and unfortunately someone at the back went down after losing his front wheel. He was ok fortunately.

The group did thin out to 6 in the end felt much safer, still a few hairy moments though! So yea, do agree solo is more favorable, especially in wet/damp road conditions.

kajjal

Round our way most road or mountain bikers are very friendly, say hello when you pass them and ask if you need any help if you are by the road side fixing a puncture etc.

There are the usual few ignorant or arrogant riders. My view is if a rider is causing a hold up for too long just get off the road and let the traffic pass we are not competing in the Tour de France. I did this when a large horse lorry was unable to get past me a while ago and they waved thanks as they passed.

The pack of ten or so riders I came across yesterday had a sizeable queue of traffic behind them and showed no intention of getting out of the way on a winding country lane with no easy over taking spots.

To me it is just arrogance to do this and shows no respect for other road users.

Mikey23

My limited experience of being in these groups, being behind these groups and having my ear bent by friends and family about these groups is that they are not being 'pig ignorant' at all. The less experienced group in my club have this reputation because they are less experienced and because they are in too large a group to self regulate or be effectively marshalled. The faster more experienced ones hang out in smaller gangs, know what they are doing and don't present a hazard to themselves or to other road users.

I have brought this up with my own club but there is little that can be done as people want to ride together in groups but few are willing to take responsibility to lead or assist in the group so they tend to be sent out in a gaggle of 20 to 30 with fairly limited control. So perhaps the answer for the complainers is to get down to their local club and offer their services which means of course that they can pass on all their skills to those that clearly need them...

kajjal

madasahattersley wrote:

I was on a group ride this morning and it felt horrendously dangerous. I do almost all of my training alone, so I'm not used to the constant feeling of thinking your holding people up. Even in the days when I used to do lots of group riding I never felt like this. Generally if it's a small (5 or less) group of really experienced riders riding as a really tight knit group and being courteous you're fine, but it's groups of 12+ weekend warriors who are so new to cycling they don't know how to act on the road that damage our reputation. I feel MUCH more at ease when training alone.

That's my view as well and most of my road riding is alone as it is more relaxing.

leodis75

Have you been on a group ride of 12+ riders and every time a car approaches from behind go into single file? Don't be daft, its not only dangerous but how do you manage that with every car? The highway code states cyclists can ride two abreast, if the car cannot pass due to space then I would have thought they would have to wait to pass, you don't see as many drivers moaning about been stuck behind a tractor for miles as you do moaning about cyclists.

To me it is just arrogance to do this and shows no respect for other road users.

Get over yourself, your argument falls flat on its ass when I say drivers should show respect to slower road users and wait until its safe to overtake.