Hope Hubs

yellowv2
yellowv2 Posts: 282
edited October 2013 in Road buying advice
I was thinking. of using Hope RS Mono hubs in a wheelbuild with Archetype rims, with the front radially laced, which according to the Hope website is ok.
However I saw on a website that these hubs should not be built radially, so I asked Hope.
They say that their hubs should not be laced radially, as it pulls on the hubs and can cause the bearings to become loose. Their website still says they can be, all rather confusing!
Has anyone used them in a radial build and if so what are your experiences?

Comments

  • They offer a wide range of hole counts... 16 and 20 can only be built radially, you can't cross a 16 holes. With 24 you have a choice of radial or 2 cross... 28 and above needs to be crossed. If you are worried, use spoke head washers, they protect the flange too
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  • yellowv2
    yellowv2 Posts: 282
    Ugo, thanks, obvious really.
    Although it does make their reply to my question rather odd.
  • yellowv2 wrote:
    Ugo, thanks, obvious really.
    Although it does make their reply to my question rather odd.

    There are a few things to avoid

    1) lacing a 32 H front radial (or a 28 unless it is a 28 that takes radial)
    2) Using too high tension... 900 Newtons for a front wheels is enough
    3) Fitting the spoke in the flange without a washer
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  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    I think hope comment about radial lacing making the bearings coming loose is CYA. Not an issue. Radial lacing is more prone to unwinding spoke so I think it is wise to put up to 1000N on the front spokes, 900N is enough for crossed lacing though. Spoke washers are only needed if there is any play with the spoke under tension in the spoke hole. I have yet to encounter an issue with radial lacing and spokes unwinding/spokes breaking or bearing coming loose so why use them if no problem occurs with the hubs/spokes I use. Hubs with thick flanges hold the spoke head better and tight spoke holes in some helps help more. A build I have to do with Royce hubs which a thin 3mm thick flange might actually benefit from spoke washers so I will use some on this build. The problem with using washer on hubs with thick flanges like Miche e.t.c is the sapim spoke will not sit properly with a washer and it just feels wrong to me. DT Swiss spokes might be different hence ugo's recomendation.

    I agree though 28H and 32H hubs should never be radially laced. I get asked to do this sometimes and my reply is find another wheel builder for that.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • The problem with using washer on hubs with thick flanges like Miche e.t.c is the sapim spoke will not sit properly with a washer and it just feels wrong to me. DT Swiss spokes might be different hence ugo's recomendation.

    You've got to set them with a concave punch, then they do sit nicely. DT makes one which actually fits Sapim's heads better than it does fit its own brand
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  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Well I would go to those length if I actually got a problems but since I do not see spoke issues with the hub I use without washers it become extra effort for no gain. For some hubs/spoke combo's it might actually be of benefit I will concede that like the Royce one's I have to do shortly, punch at the ready for these.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • giant_man
    giant_man Posts: 6,878
    I'm wondering if Hope's discs hubs are any good, much better priced than CK I gotta say ...
  • giant man wrote:
    I'm wondering if Hope's discs hubs are any good, much better priced than CK I gotta say ...

    The Hope PRO 2 are very good... better than the PRO 3 infact... better seals.
    For CX I would get those, maybe with a steel freehub if you are very powerful (or want to ride cheap cassettes)
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  • giant_man
    giant_man Posts: 6,878
    giant man wrote:
    I'm wondering if Hope's discs hubs are any good, much better priced than CK I gotta say ...

    The Hope PRO 2 are very good... better than the PRO 3 infact... better seals.
    For CX I would get those, maybe with a steel freehub if you are very powerful (or want to ride cheap cassettes)
    Are these not a MTB hub? Do Hope not do a road-specific disc hub as yet?
    Also, the options are confusing, I need 28F AND 32R, you can have 28 135mm - 10mm or 12mm OR QR. The same for 32 hole. WTF?
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,673
    giant man wrote:
    Also, the options are confusing, I need 28F AND 32R, you can have 28 135mm - 10mm or 12mm OR QR. The same for 32 hole. WTF?
    and that all depends on the rear axle size. you will be wanting the QR version.

    and what do you think the difference would be between a road or an MTB hub as they now have the same O.L.D. for use with discs?

    and I would never run a hope hub Radially laced.
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  • giant_man
    giant_man Posts: 6,878
    nicklouse wrote:
    giant man wrote:
    Also, the options are confusing, I need 28F AND 32R, you can have 28 135mm - 10mm or 12mm OR QR. The same for 32 hole. WTF?
    and that all depends on the rear axle size. you will be wanting the QR version.

    and what do you think the difference would be between a road or an MTB hub as they now have the same O.L.D. for use with discs?

    and I would never run a hope hub Radially laced.
    I honestly haven't got a clue, hence my question
  • giant man wrote:
    giant man wrote:
    I'm wondering if Hope's discs hubs are any good, much better priced than CK I gotta say ...

    The Hope PRO 2 are very good... better than the PRO 3 infact... better seals.
    For CX I would get those, maybe with a steel freehub if you are very powerful (or want to ride cheap cassettes)
    Are these not a MTB hub? Do Hope not do a road-specific disc hub as yet?
    Also, the options are confusing, I need 28F AND 32R, you can have 28 135mm - 10mm or 12mm OR QR. The same for 32 hole. WTF?

    Disc hub is only PRO 2... road or MTB doesn't matter. You need a rear 135 QR and a front QR
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  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Hope Pro2 are the sucessor to the Hope XC Pro hubs I have. They are still going after many miles of off road abuse and I do mean abuse .through floods, mud and more. CK hubs are a bit overpriced I think and you are right to think there are cheaper alternatives that do the same job just as well.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • giant_man
    giant_man Posts: 6,878
    I just think they're a bit overkill on the project I have in mind. I would buy CK hubs (coupled with suitably expensive rims) but not for what I want to do presently. Good to hear Hope kit is reputable.
  • giant man wrote:
    I just think they're a bit overkill on the project I have in mind. I would buy CK hubs (coupled with suitably expensive rims) but not for what I want to do presently. Good to hear Hope kit is reputable.

    If you keep your project secret, you won't get much in the way of good advice maybe?
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  • petemadoc
    petemadoc Posts: 2,331
    I think we should have a "wheels" sub forum...
  • PeteMadoc wrote:
    I think we should have a "wheels" sub forum...

    If there was a framebuilder on the forum we could have interesting topics about frames... but at the moment they all come down to what is the cheapest carbon frame I can import from the far east? Technically not very informative.
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  • Why would you want to use Hope hubs anyway with all that noise that the freehub makes. Why not choose one a bit quieter? Dura Ace possibly?
  • yellowv2
    yellowv2 Posts: 282
    First of all because I use Campagnolo group, also I don't mind the noise and the RS mono 3 are apparently quieter anyway, my alternative would be to use PMP.
  • Kangarouge wrote:
    Why would you want to use Hope hubs anyway with all that noise that the freehub makes. Why not choose one a bit quieter? Dura Ace possibly?

    The noise is the best bit! Horses for courses.
    yellowv2 wrote:
    First of all because I use Campagnolo group, also I don't mind the noise and the RS mono 3 are apparently quieter anyway, my alternative would be to use PMP.

    Caution of Hope for use with Campag, I hear there is a new freehub that works with 11 speed but not sure that hubs are supplied with it yet. You need to check that out and be sure. If you're on Campag why not go for Record? Suppose you would be limited to 32 hole only, not sure if that is an issue....maybe Record rear, Hope front......
  • iPete
    iPete Posts: 6,076
    Kangarouge wrote:
    Why would you want to use Hope hubs anyway with all that noise that the freehub makes. Why not choose one a bit quieter? Dura Ace possibly?

    a) scare pedestrians
    b) remind me that I'm not pedalling
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Record rear and Hope front stop swearing please. Record hubs are nearly perfect, they would be perfect if they came in other drillings and lush silver.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • Velonutter
    Velonutter Posts: 2,437
    I had a look at the Hope Hubs at the Cycleshow, I know their excellent reputation for endurance proceeds them, but I could help noticing that the hubs on display were quite stiff and didn't roll too brilliantly either, is it a matter that if you want good hubs you have to forsake their roll-ability?
  • Velonutter wrote:
    I had a look at the Hope Hubs at the Cycleshow, I know their excellent reputation for endurance proceeds them, but I could help noticing that the hubs on display were quite stiff and didn't roll too brilliantly either, is it a matter that if you want good hubs you have to forsake their roll-ability?

    It's the seals... good seals mean rolling resistance... you can get cheap hubs on Ebay from China that roll almost endlessly... once built they do so for 100 miles give or take

    EDIT: thing is us road cyclists are very ignorant when it comes to bicycle components. MTBikers are a lot more savvy as they see immediately the drawbacks of cheap components, lack of proper seals, badly built wheels, bad bearings etc. MTBikers like Hope and Shimano stuff. We should buy what they buy. the average road cyclist confuses a smooth rolling bearing with a quality one. If you buy the cheapest sealed bearing on the market it is infinitively smoother than the most expensive money can buy... but of course it will give you infinitively more problems too
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  • yellowv2
    yellowv2 Posts: 282
    I would love to use Record hubs but I would like silver or red and probably go for 24/28, maybe even 20/24. So if they were available in 24/28, they would indeed be perfect. The problem is..... Too much choice!
  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    Hope are really nice and the Pro 3 are not really that noisy, seem less less noisy than the Pro2 for example.
    Yellow is the new Black.
  • smidsy wrote:
    Hope are really nice and the Pro 3 are not really that noisy, seem less less noisy than the Pro2 for example.

    They have the same free hub so they must sound the same
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  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Or think of the nosiy freehub as a reminder to start pedalling.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    They have the same free hub so they must sound the same

    All I can say is my experience is that my 3's are less noisy than the several 2's in our club.

    Or perhaps I am closer to their freehub than mine :lol:
    Yellow is the new Black.
  • smidsy wrote:
    They have the same free hub so they must sound the same

    All I can say is my experience is that my 3's are less noisy than the several 2's in our club.

    Or perhaps I am closer to their freehub than mine :lol:

    You can change the pitch by changing the lubrication type... tune up your free hub :D
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