20 mm carbon clinchers

ugo.santalucia

Some time ago someone enquired about these. Ignore the description, it's for the 60 mm ones, these are a lot lighter, I seem to recall 360 grams or so. Bargain

http://www.kinokocycles.com/c20-carbon-rim.html

whosthedaddy

Ugo.
What hubs and spokes would you recommend with these and how much to build?

ugo.santalucia

Hubs depend on your budget, with a 20 mm rim you can use anything with a large-ish flange: Novatec, Miche Primato among the reasonably priced ones... Dura Ace, Hope and DT Swiss 350 among the expensive ones. Spokes: no point in using bladed ones with shallow rims, so DT comp/DT revs or Sapim Race/ Laser.
Building fee is pretty much standard across the board around 25 pounds per wheel.

This is what Max Broby (who designed the rims) told me in an e-mail a few months ago

QUOTE
BrobyCarbon was born out of the total lack of strong and reasonably priced full carbon clincher rims approx 4 years ago.

At the time I personally wanted a 20-25mm low profile full carbon clincher rim that would offer my own choice of hubs, spokes, build etc.

In essence our brand is based around the idea of a custom made rim to suit the personal requirements and riding style of a given rider. Hence the typical choice of 28h for added strength and wider choice of hubs.

We offer 25, 38, 50, 60 and 88mm profiles in both tubular and full carbon clinchers. In either 3K, 12K or UD layups - with a matt or gloss finish.

We mainly sell the rims on their own to shops and wheel builders in both Europe and the US - but also offer direct customer sales and builds.

We have several sponsor agreements with clubs in Denmark and the UK to offer trade prices on all rims - and work with Rapha Condor's pro team mechanics for building the wheels.

We can offer Tune, Chris King, Hope, PowerTap, Campag and Miche hubs at very competitive prices - and recommend building with Sapim CXRay or DT Revolution spokes and nipples - with Sapim nipple glue.

Normally we consolidate approx 3-4 production runs a year for all the bespoke layups - but try to always keep some stock of matt 3K 28-hole C20, C40, and C50 clinchers and tubs.

If you can indicate which profile heights you would want - I'll be happy to offer your the best possible unit price.

llen

Hi Ugo

I'm sorry for my total ignorance but please could you help.

I've been looking for some new wheels for a little while and have been considering all the usual factory wheels but also noticed that the guys on here suggest that a good set of hand builts offer more bang for you buck. I live in South Wales and so the vast majority of my riding is usually uphill on the dragon ride climbs. I'm about 78kg in weight. With that in mind, would you consider these a good option for me? If so how much would a typical set cost with decent(ish) hubs and spokes. Also, I've read on here about braking issues with carbon rims. Should I worry about this?

Many thanks in advance for your help and once again sorry for any numpty questions I may have asked.

Cheers
Len

ugo.santalucia

Yes, you should worry about braking, especially in the wet and no, carbon is not for everyday use. Unless you have disc brakes, there isn't a good reason to ride carbon rims (especially clinchers)... however, people do want them, mainly for the look, hence the thread

llen

Thanks for the rapid reply. I won't lie, like many people I do like the aesthetics but I'm not gonna compromise my safety. I'm not the greatest descender (i prefer going up!!!!). I'll keep looking.

Cheers

cycleclinic

I was looking on that site for the other rims you mention ugo but no others where are they.

I cannot find any for sale anywhere apart from that 60mm deep one. They look on paper.

I agree carbon rims would be great with disc brake wheels which is why I am looking as I am building such a bike for my wife.

As for braking issues with carbon rims they are very real but I have the similar issues with single pivot brakes on one of my bikes and the rather useless KCNC brakes on another. It is possible to learn your around these issues and live.

mroli

The Broby clinchers are better than the Tokyo Fixed ones?

http://www.kinokocycles.com/sale/deadly-discs-20mm.html

ugo.santalucia

mroli wrote:

The Broby clinchers are better than the Tokyo Fixed ones?

http://www.kinokocycles.com/sale/deadly-discs-20mm.html

I saw those too... I think going for a 435 grams shallow carbon rim is a bit of a nonsense... you can get plenty of alloy rims in that weight range with the same profile without any of the carbon drawbacks... they must be pretty strong, however at that price, they are competitive with the equivalent alloy

Bar Shaker

On the subject of carbon clinchers, I found the Mavic video very interesting for their 40C s.

I would love some of them but they are eye wateringly expensive.

http://vimeo.com/mavic/mavic-cosmic-car ... clincher-w

ugo.santalucia

Bar Shaker wrote:

On the subject of carbon clinchers, I found the Mavic video very interesting for their 40C s.

I would love some of them but they are eye wateringly expensive.

http://vimeo.com/mavic/mavic-cosmic-car ... clincher-w

I had a pair in my hands last week, they are nice but yes, too expensive for what they are...

http://paolocoppo.drupalgardens.com/con ... u-buy-them

designman

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Bar Shaker wrote:

On the subject of carbon clinchers, I found the Mavic video very interesting for their 40C s.

I would love some of them but they are eye wateringly expensive.

http://vimeo.com/mavic/mavic-cosmic-car ... clincher-w

I had a pair in my hands last week, they are nice but yes, too expensive for what they are...

http://paolocoppo.drupalgardens.com/con ... u-buy-them

I was looking at buying a pair of the new Mavic Cosmic Carbone C40's for next year, but as you say they are expensive for what they are, what would be an alternative to these wheels?
As Ugo states on his website, you can buy a pair of hand built wheels on the best hubs and with the best spokes for a fraction of the cost, bare in mind I would want clinchers not Tubs.

ugo.santalucia

designman wrote:

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Bar Shaker wrote:

On the subject of carbon clinchers, I found the Mavic video very interesting for their 40C s.

I would love some of them but they are eye wateringly expensive.

http://vimeo.com/mavic/mavic-cosmic-car ... clincher-w

I had a pair in my hands last week, they are nice but yes, too expensive for what they are...

http://paolocoppo.drupalgardens.com/con ... u-buy-them

I was looking at buying a pair of the new Mavic Cosmic Carbone C40's for next year, but as you say they are expensive for what they are, what would be an alternative to these wheels?
As Ugo states on his website, you can buy a pair of hand built wheels on the best hubs and with the best spokes for a fraction of the cost, bare in mind I would want clinchers not Tubs.

You have to ask yourself if you really need carbon rims... bearing in mind there is nothing special about them... they are fashion