Shimano 105 - What does it mean?

earth
earth Posts: 934
edited August 2013 in Road general
Where does the name come from?

It sicks out in the lineup as the only name that is a number. Sora, Tiagra, *105*, Ultegra, Dura Ace.

Comments

  • doug5_10
    doug5_10 Posts: 465
    2300 is a number . . . although that is now Claris for 2014.

    No idea for 105, developed from Golden Arrow/105 in late 80's, there have been theories on here before about it, can't remember any of them though!
    Edinburgh Revolution Curve
    http://app.strava.com/athletes/1920048
  • Alitogata
    Alitogata Posts: 148
    Lot of people have asked the same question in countless cycling fora.. But I wonder...why don't we send a mail to Shimano to ask them? :D
  • chris_bass
    chris_bass Posts: 4,913
    10 speed and 5th in the shimano road series? that's a complete guess though!
    www.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes
  • Alitogata
    Alitogata Posts: 148
    Chris Bass wrote:
    10 speed and 5th in the shimano road series? that's a complete guess though!

    It wasn't always a 10sp groupset. When it was first released in the mid 80s was a six speed groupset. No .. the 105 number name has nothing to do with the speeds.

    But I know how they gave the name.

    It was late at night and Mr Tagashiro was finishing the last details with Mr Nagushi with lot of sake and noodles..

    When Mr Tagashiro asked Mr. Nagushi, "how are we going to name the groupset" Mr Nagushi misheard ( he had drunk a lot of sake) and thought that he asked him "how old is your dad" ( in Japanese language these sound the same ) and replied 105 ( Japanese people live long) and then Mr Tagashiro replied "wow.. nice name! You are a genius Yoshi. Let's name it 105." Later when they realized the mistake, ( a couple of weeks later when they met again) it was too late to change it so they left it this way.. :P :P :lol:
  • Perhaps a reference to alloy used. There is a system of numbers used to classify alloys used in industry
  • ju5t1n
    ju5t1n Posts: 2,028
    I remember when Ultegra was called Shimano 600
  • hopak
    hopak Posts: 193
    105 things that can go wrong with it ?
  • desweller
    desweller Posts: 5,175
    I think you're over-thinking this.

    It's just a brand name.
    - - - - - - - - - -
    On Strava.{/url}
  • Alitogata
    Alitogata Posts: 148
    Ok here is what I found.
    Number 5 is very important number in Japanese and generally in Buddhist tradition of Asian countries and also represents the element of metal. I don't know if this has anything to do with the choice of the number but for sure they wouldn't use numbers 4 or 9 as these considered as unlucky, because they sound same in Japanese language with the words death and suffering. ( interesting... :o )

    Source 1here

    Source here for how important is number 5 in their culture.

    Source 3 here

    Now I have to find what the numbers 10 or 100 mean for Japanese culture. ( perhaps don't mean anything at all..but a little google search doesn't hurt after all on this Sunday night).

    ( do we over-thinking it??? :D )
  • Alitogata
    Alitogata Posts: 148
    Pffff. don't spoil it.. it is funny and interesting.

    Sora means "sky" in Japanese.
    And 2300 is 2+3= 5 <--- five is good, four is bad..

    I want to find what 100 or 10 means. Perhaps the number 105 sounds like something good in Japanese. :) ( com' mon.. help me a little). :lol:
  • chris_bass
    chris_bass Posts: 4,913
    I can't help you, it's BS

    +1

    arent Tiagra and durable ace riddled with 4s and 9s?
    www.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes
  • desweller
    desweller Posts: 5,175
    It's probably a secret message to an underground cabal of self-flagellating monks. Who also ride bicycles.
    - - - - - - - - - -
    On Strava.{/url}
  • earth
    earth Posts: 934
    Al Kidder wrote:
    Perhaps a reference to alloy used. There is a system of numbers used to classify alloys used in industry

    I thought that might be how Dura Ace got its name - Duraluminium.
  • earth
    earth Posts: 934
    DesWeller wrote:
    It's probably a secret message to an underground cabal of self-flagellating monks. Who also ride bicycles.


    That was my other theory.
  • hipshot
    hipshot Posts: 371
    In 1986 Shimano added the SIS and SLR features to its Exage 500EX groupset, and it was renamed 105. At the same time, they discontinued a whole host of former groupsets like the 200GS, 300GS, 400GS, and 500EX giving them names like Dura-Ace ( Duralumin alloy + Ace 'best') Ultegra = ( ultimate" + Integrity) I read somewhere that they wanted a name that evoked workmanlike qualities for the lower high end groupset. Quality with affordability. The most successful branded consumer item - with the strongest customer awareness in Japan - during the mid/late 1980s and which also happened to have the qualities Shimano was trying to promote was Levis 501 jeans, hence 105. Better than 'Qual-Afforda' I suppose.
  • earth
    earth Posts: 934
    hipshot wrote:
    In 1986 Shimano added the SIS and SLR features to its Exage 500EX groupset, and it was renamed 105. At the same time, they discontinued a whole host of former groupsets like the 200GS, 300GS, 400GS, and 500EX giving them names like Dura-Ace ( Duralumin alloy + Ace 'best') Ultegra = ( ultimate" + Integrity) I read somewhere that they wanted a name that evoked workmanlike qualities for the lower high end groupset. Quality with affordability. The most successful branded consumer item - with the strongest customer awareness in Japan - during the mid/late 1980s and which also happened to have the qualities Shimano was trying to promote was Levis 501 jeans, hence 105. Better than 'Qual-Afforda' I suppose.


    Very plausible.

    Tiagra?
  • Mikey23
    Mikey23 Posts: 5,306
    Rhymes with erectile dysfunction drug therefore symbol of virility...
  • Alitogata
    Alitogata Posts: 148
    Mikey23 wrote:
    Rhymes with erectile dysfunction drug therefore symbol of virility...

    That's right too... :lol:
  • chris_bass
    chris_bass Posts: 4,913
    Mikey23 wrote:
    Rhymes with erectile dysfunction drug therefore symbol of virility...

    would that not make it a symbol for needing assitance to be virile?
    www.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes
  • simonhead
    simonhead Posts: 1,399
    I heard that is was actually designed by an Irishman who had a spanish mother, when the big cheeses asked him what its called he mistook "whats its name" for "whats your name" to which he answered "Juan O'fyfe".
    Life isnt like a box of chocolates, its like a bag of pic n mix.
  • diamonddog
    diamonddog Posts: 3,426
    105 - is it the full groupset price if bought from chinese supplier on flea bay? :wink:
  • dunno what it means but this link dates it as far back as 1983....

    http://www.velo-pages.com/main.php?g2_itemId=7179
  • Anagram of 'Shimano One Oh Five':

    Minions heave hoof.

    Sorted.
  • Alitogata
    Alitogata Posts: 148
    diamonddog wrote:
    105 - is it the full groupset price if bought from chinese supplier on flea bay? :wink:

    In which currency.?? :lol: Yuan or something else?
  • marcusww
    marcusww Posts: 202
    simonhead wrote:
    I heard that is was actually designed by an Irishman who had a spanish mother, when the big cheeses asked him what its called he mistook "whats its name" for "whats your name" to which he answered "Juan O'fyfe".

    What about Juan Hero Fyfe!