What's the average speeds on the Tour de France

sigorman85
sigorman85 Posts: 2,536
edited July 2013 in Road general
Was wondering what average speeds they get on the stages?I no there is mountain stages an all that but I would like to no just out of intrest

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  • jezzpalmer
    jezzpalmer Posts: 389
    The couple of days ago they said in commentary that the ave of the whole tour so far was 43kph, so just under 27mph.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    up to 30 mph on flat stages; up to 23mph on very hilly stages... about 25-26 mph in stages with minor climbs
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  • sigorman85
    sigorman85 Posts: 2,536
    Wow that makes me feel un fit cheers for the info guys
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    sigorman85 wrote:
    Wow that makes me feel un fit cheers for the info guys

    Sure, but bear in mind in a large peloton you can ride probably 4-5 mph faster as an average, at least on a flat stage
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  • Buckie2k5
    Buckie2k5 Posts: 600
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    sigorman85 wrote:
    Wow that makes me feel un fit cheers for the info guys

    Sure, but bear in mind in a large peloton you can ride probably 4-5 mph faster as an average, at least on a flat stage

    that still doesnt make me feel any better lol
  • Mikey23
    Mikey23 Posts: 5,306
    About twice as quick as me then ...
  • rob21
    rob21 Posts: 284
    Mikey23 wrote:
    About twice as quick as me then ...
    and me :lol:
  • lc1981
    lc1981 Posts: 820
    This Guardian article has average speeds for every edition of the Tour up to last year's.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    lc1981 wrote:
    This Guardian article has average speeds for every edition of the Tour up to last year's.


    The average over 3500 Km doesn't make much sense, is not representative of anything... some days are 30 mph, others 20...
    I think what the OP means is what speed are these guys capable of... which can be in excess of 30 mph even over 200+ Km. Interestingly on the mountain stages the average is not far off that of the winner of the Marmotte... which says you don't need to be a PRO to average crazy speed, but as a non PRO you would never be able to beat these guys on the line... if that makes sense...
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  • lc1981
    lc1981 Posts: 820
    Yes, agreed, it's just that I thought it was an interesting additional bit of information.
  • Mickyg88
    Mickyg88 Posts: 289
    Would you like to no, or would you really like to know....
  • AchillesLeftKnee
    AchillesLeftKnee Posts: 713
    Andrew Talansky's data from stage 19.
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  • lawrences
    lawrences Posts: 1,011
    That guardian article has got a lot of the winners wrong.
  • CiB
    CiB Posts: 6,098
    I did a Strava segment the other day and managed 20.6 avg for the couple of miles; Ian Stannard is KOM with 33.4 over the same bit. On that scientifically sound comparison, pro riders are over 50% faster.
  • Pumpkin Positive
    Pumpkin Positive Posts: 392
    Laurens ten Dam is on strava - here's his data for the stage 18 (Alpe d'Huez x2) http://app.strava.com/activities/68289005

    33.3kmh over 170km and 6000m of ascent.
  • lc1981
    lc1981 Posts: 820
    lawrences wrote:
    That guardian article has got a lot of the winners wrong.

    Strangely, a lot of the wrong winners seem to be quite fast.
  • Buckie2k5
    Buckie2k5 Posts: 600
    Pumpkin Positive wrote:
    Laurens ten Dam is on strava - here's his data for the stage 18 (Alpe d'Huez x2) http://app.strava.com/activities/68289005

    33.3kmh over 170km and 6000m of ascent.


    i reckon if he wasnt dragging that garmin up there he wouldve won ;) You would think he would atleast have a garmin with mapping incase he got lost.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    CiB wrote:
    I did a Strava segment the other day and managed 20.6 avg for the couple of miles; Ian Stannard is KOM with 33.4 over the same bit. On that scientifically sound comparison, pro riders are over 50% faster.

    Getting a king of the mountain at 33.4 mph raises a few eyebrows on the consistency of this "mountain"... :wink:
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  • gubber12345
    gubber12345 Posts: 493
    so what kind of speed do these guys avg on a 10% gradient?
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    gubber12345 wrote:
    so what kind of speed do these guys avg on a 10% gradient?

    Depends... if it is a short bump even 20 mph... if it is a long climb, I would say 11-12 mph... I remember Pantani going up the Alpe d'Huez at 15 mph... those were the days... :twisted:
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  • Lycra-Byka
    Lycra-Byka Posts: 292
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    gubber12345 wrote:
    so what kind of speed do these guys avg on a 10% gradient?

    Depends... if it is a short bump even 20 mph... if it is a long climb, I would say 11-12 mph... I remember Pantani going up the Alpe d'Huez at 15 mph... those were the days... :twisted:

    Does his record still stand? Anyone beat it?

    For the hill climb not coke snorting.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    Lycra-Byka wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    gubber12345 wrote:
    so what kind of speed do these guys avg on a 10% gradient?

    Depends... if it is a short bump even 20 mph... if it is a long climb, I would say 11-12 mph... I remember Pantani going up the Alpe d'Huez at 15 mph... those were the days... :twisted:

    Does his record still stand? Anyone beat it?

    For the hill climb not coke snorting.

    Don't think any PRO will beat it... these days they go up in 39-40 minutes at best... however a NON PRO full of EPO like Jamie Burrows could have a go at it... :mrgreen:
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  • bernithebiker
    bernithebiker Posts: 4,148
    gubber12345 wrote:
    so what kind of speed do these guys avg on a 10% gradient?

    The best times up Alpe d'Huez give a speed of 21km/h, but it's 8%, so a fast pro time up 10% would be about 18km/h, but I reckon the back end of the peloton may well be down at 14 to 16km/h.

    If as an amateur you can hold 10km/h, you're doing quite well......!
  • Lycra-Byka
    Lycra-Byka Posts: 292
    bernithebiker wrote:
    gubber12345 wrote:
    so what kind of speed do these guys avg on a 10% gradient?

    The best times up Alpe d'Huez give a speed of 21km/h, but it's 8%, so a fast pro time up 10% would be about 18km/h, but I reckon the back end of the peloton may well be down at 14 to 16km/h.

    If as an amateur you can hold 10km/h, you're doing quite well......!

    I feel sick thinking about those speeds up there. I would be glad to make it up without stopping even on a borrowed triple with a 32tooth bail out.

    Does anyone recall a rider of the TdF quitting the race on it? Got to have happened!?
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    Lycra-Byka wrote:
    bernithebiker wrote:
    gubber12345 wrote:
    so what kind of speed do these guys avg on a 10% gradient?

    The best times up Alpe d'Huez give a speed of 21km/h, but it's 8%, so a fast pro time up 10% would be about 18km/h, but I reckon the back end of the peloton may well be down at 14 to 16km/h.

    If as an amateur you can hold 10km/h, you're doing quite well......!

    I feel sick thinking about those speeds up there. I would be glad to make it up without stopping even on a borrowed triple with a 32tooth bail out.

    Does anyone recall a rider of the TdF quitting the race on it? Got to have happened!?

    As a climb is over-rated... it's not a wall, any pro can do it no problem... just a matter of time. The Zoncolan in the eastern Italian alps is one where you will see sprinters giving up and getting in the car... but that's well over 12% average and even the best climbers use compact chain sets
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  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    I managed 12 kph avg up the Alpe during the Marmotte this year, not so good when you convert it to real money, still after over 160 km i was pretty happy with that. fyi thats 69 mins compared to a pro 39 mins :?

    Hats off to those chaps
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    itboffin wrote:
    I managed 12 kph avg up the Alpe during the Marmotte this year, not so good when you convert it to real money, still after over 160 km i was pretty happy with that. fyi thats 69 mins compared to a pro 39 mins :?

    Hats off to those chaps

    That's very decent. Projecting my times on similar climbs in the Alps and Pyrenees, on a good day I should be able to do 64-65 minutes... but not after 160 Km... I never felt the urge to travel down and try... I don't really like motorway-style climbs
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  • bernithebiker
    bernithebiker Posts: 4,148
    Managed between 52 and 56 minutes depending on which Strava segment you use, on Thursday, but it was very busy and had to unclip a few times due to traffic.
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    Lycra-Byka wrote:
    bernithebiker wrote:
    gubber12345 wrote:
    so what kind of speed do these guys avg on a 10% gradient?

    The best times up Alpe d'Huez give a speed of 21km/h, but it's 8%, so a fast pro time up 10% would be about 18km/h, but I reckon the back end of the peloton may well be down at 14 to 16km/h.

    If as an amateur you can hold 10km/h, you're doing quite well......!

    I feel sick thinking about those speeds up there. I would be glad to make it up without stopping even on a borrowed triple with a 32tooth bail out.

    Does anyone recall a rider of the TdF quitting the race on it? Got to have happened!?


    No pro would quit because the hill was a bit tough. You don't GET to be a pro unless riding up there is easy for you. These guys are supreme athletes. Highly trained and with not a pick of fat on them. Pros only quit if they're ill or injured or if you're Cipollini and you fancy the beach rather than the mountains.

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