Wheely Need Advice II

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  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    NapoleonD wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Sorry, but this notion that spares are not available for factory wheels is unadulterated nonsense. People need to stop saying it.

    If you break a spoke you are much more likely to be able to get DT revolutions / Sapim CX Eays etc straight away than, say a Campag straight pull bladed spoke...

    But it is possible to buy straight pull, bladed spokes, regardless of whether you buy them from Campag - so not sure what the problem is.

    The implication being pushed here is that factory wheels are impossible to repair if they break - which is bullsh1t.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    Imposter wrote:
    NapoleonD wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Sorry, but this notion that spares are not available for factory wheels is unadulterated nonsense. People need to stop saying it.

    If you break a spoke you are much more likely to be able to get DT revolutions / Sapim CX Eays etc straight away than, say a Campag straight pull bladed spoke...

    But it is possible to buy straight pull, bladed spokes, regardless of whether you buy them from Campag - so not sure what the problem is.

    The implication being pushed here is that factory wheels are impossible to repair if they break - which is bullsh1t.

    Nothing is impossible, it can be impractical though... Sort of... Campagnolo also use a set of washers for their wheels which are not always possible to recycle... and come with their hefty priced sets of spare spokes.
    Besides, where do you buy 1 x straight pull CX ray of the length you want? I am aware of Starbike in germany, but I am not sure they will sell you one spoke and if they do, you will probably still pay a hefty fee for delivery.

    This is fairly recent stuff

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  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    Imposter wrote:
    The implication being pushed here is that factory wheels are impossible to repair if they break - which is bullsh1t.

    I have not said any such thing.
    smidsy wrote:
    They tend to be built with straight pull spokes using alloy nipples and low spoke counts. This combination is often fine (but the heavier you are the more likely issues will arise) until you actually want to service the wheel. By this time the nipples are often siezed, the parts are like unobtainium and even if you can get the spares the cost is quite often prohibitive.

    I am not sure why you persist with your argument. Are you president of the factory wheels association? :lol:
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  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    smidsy wrote:
    I have not said any such thing.

    I don't think anyone said you did.
    smidsy wrote:
    Are you president of the factory wheels association? :lol:

    Yes I am. Presumably you are president of the 'incessant handbuilt bores' association?
  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    Actually just a normal bloke who believes in something and has grown to dislike he media circus of large factories telling us that we need x, y and z.

    The only people that benefit are the manufacturers. They are on a win/win. You buy their (expensive) wheels and then when they have a problem you pay through the nose for spares or have to junk them and buy another (expensive) set from them.

    I simply want to let it be known that there is a (very good) alternative.
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  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    smidsy wrote:
    Actually just a normal bloke who believes in something and has grown to dislike he media circus of large factories telling us that we need x, y and z. .

    So it's ok to sell every other product in the known universe using these marketing methods - but not wheels, right?
  • napoleond
    napoleond Posts: 5,992
    Imposter wrote:
    NapoleonD wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Sorry, but this notion that spares are not available for factory wheels is unadulterated nonsense. People need to stop saying it.

    If you break a spoke you are much more likely to be able to get DT revolutions / Sapim CX Eays etc straight away than, say a Campag straight pull bladed spoke...

    But it is possible to buy straight pull, bladed spokes, regardless of whether you buy them from Campag - so not sure what the problem is.

    The implication being pushed here is that factory wheels are impossible to repair if they break - which is bullsh1t.

    Break a spoke on fancy factory wheel on a cycling holiday, go to shop, they don't have any in. But they carry DT/Sapim and will do it for you there and then. Happy days.
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  • WarlKicken
    WarlKicken Posts: 224
    I appreciate all advice, 100%, please don't think I ignore it. I just don't understand enough about wheels to know what to ask for. Factory equals easier (lazy). So maybe this approach;

    I am light, 62kg, I ride Wildcats at about 1890g (I think; there or there abouts). I love climbing but lack a bit of power so any weight advantage would be ace. I've found some Campagnolo Bullet C50 Ultras for just shy of 800beans. I'd ultimately like to spend about 700. DAce off the table and Zipps far too expensive. Camps look snazzy and come in at just over 1500g....
  • napoleond
    napoleond Posts: 5,992
    Get the campags. I'd never by Zipps again.
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  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    WarlKicken wrote:
    Camps look snazzy and come in at just over 1500g....

    It's a lot of money to save the equivalent weight of half a loaf of bread - which, incidentally, would equate to a very small handfull of seconds when climbing Mont Ventoux. If weight is your goal, then there are lighter wheels for less. On the other hand, if you simply have an irrational urge to buy deep sections then just ignore all the advice on this thread (and others like it) and just go out and buy whatever you want.
  • wishitwasallflat
    wishitwasallflat Posts: 2,927
    WarlKicken wrote:
    I appreciate all advice, 100%, please don't think I ignore it.
    I just don't understand enough about wheels to know what to ask for
    . Factory equals easier (lazy). So maybe this approach;

    I am light, 62kg, I ride Wildcats at about 1890g (I think; there or there abouts). I love climbing but lack a bit of power so any weight advantage would be ace. I've found some Campagnolo Bullet C50 Ultras for just shy of 800beans. I'd ultimately like to spend about 700. DAce off the table and Zipps far too expensive. Camps look snazzy and come in at just over 1500g....

    For me it really does not need saying that you should buy whatever you want - I don't care - BUT - if the genuine reason you aren't thinking of hadnbuilt is indeed
    I just don't understand enough about wheels to know what to ask for
    . Then all you need do is email someone like Harry Rowland and say - I am light, 62kg, I ride Wildcats at about 1890g (I think; there or there abouts). I love climbing but lack a bit of power so any weight advantage would be ace. I've found some Campagnolo Bullet C50 Ultras for just shy of 800beans. I'd ultimately like to spend about 700. DAce off the table and Zipps far too expensive. Camps look snazzy and come in at just over 1500g... ask him what he would reccomend as a handbuilt alternative - or aks ugo or wheelsmith ...

    The point is if that is the genuine reason it's poop - if you fancy/prefer factory built then that's no problem - enjoy whatever you get - but don't labour under the illusion that handbuilts are only for people with knowledge of wheels - they ain't :D
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    wishitwasallflat wrote:
    but don't labour under the illusion that handbuilts are only for people with knowledge of wheels - they ain't :D

    That much has already been proven on this thread.. ;)
  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    Imposter wrote:
    wishitwasallflat wrote:
    but don't labour under the illusion that handbuilts are only for people with knowledge of wheels - they ain't :D

    That much has already been proven on this thread.. ;)

    Yawn! :|
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  • binkybike
    binkybike Posts: 104
    My mate had some Campag Zonda's they were excellent wheels and lasted a number of years without serious issue (although the rear needed to be trued more often than I would put up with, but i suspect that is to do with the LBS not doing it properly), but eventually the rims wore down and he tried to replace them, basically it was no go without a massive wait and alot of money. He ended up with some Eurus, which are awesome wheels by all accounts, although have a quiet freehub which is disappointing. i imagine he will be in the same boat in a few years when one part wears out.

    There is nothing wrong with factory wheels to RIDE, many are excellent, my Bontrager wheels are lovely for example. however they are not as easy to fix as handbuilts (in the vast majority of cases), this is a fact.

    People have different priorities, I like the idea of someone I have met and is not anonymous has made wheels especially for me, some people don't.... people will give advice based on what they think is important, why is this a problem?

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