Shimano groupsets
mrbrightside
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I'm looking at purchasing a new groupset from the shimano family and airing towards dura ace 9000. However is DA twice as good as ultrega inline with the price?
I love the Ui2 due for the gadget factor and self trimming however my bike is electronic groupset equipped/compatible.
Then there SRAM Red - a significant weight saving over the DA, cheaper even when considering changing the bottom bracket.
I love the Ui2 due for the gadget factor and self trimming however my bike is electronic groupset equipped/compatible.
Then there SRAM Red - a significant weight saving over the DA, cheaper even when considering changing the bottom bracket.
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I would try out SRAM Red if you haven't already, at the very least just see how the levers feel. Realistically the difference between top end groupsets is going to be minimal, it's all about how each feels to you. Some people just prefer the fit of the levers of one or another.
However, the 9000 Dura Ace is a whole new level - they have improved the changing and now its worthy of the Dura Ace badge
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I guess it depends if you want your bike to be the best possible regardless of cost.
Wasn't a fan of 6700, liked 7900 but 9000 is definitely a notch up. Have bikes with 7900 and 9000 and both ride well, but the gear shifting on the 9000 is so easy and smooth, on the FD you feel you have to be over shifting it moves over so easily, but so far the shifting has been spot on. Interestingly for 9000 they gone back to a trimming function on the big ring, I assume because of the addition of the 11 cog.
If money is a concern It may be worth waiting for the new 11 speed Ultegra to come out as it will probably have many of the improvements passed down from the 9000.
No need to wait for Ultegra 6800 as you can already buy bikes with it fitted.
http://www.rosebikes.com/content/news/s ... tegra-6800
I also have SRAM rival, Apex & various Campag Ergo, UT & PT imo there's much more difference between campag groupsets than Shimano & SRAM.
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Errr... difference is night and day between 6700 and 7900. I have identical frames that are specced with both and 6700 doesn't hold a candle to 7900, especially in regards to braking and smoothness of shifts. 7800 was fine the amount of positivity on rear shifting wasn't necessary and it's not like 7900 is vague.
You're right in that 9000 is on a whole other level. Makes Di2 only necessary for TT bikes.
7900 is much nicer overall. The shifting is more precise, the braking is more responsive. However, I really like the Di2 shifters on the Ultegra bike, as they have limitless shifting - the option to keep a button held down to shift across all the gears.
I haven't tried the new DA 9000, but it has the limitless shifting as well on the 9070. If you will use the bike a lot, DA is worth it, but then replacing parts is a lot more expensive (and buying the matching pedals). However, not all parts need replacing that often and the parts that do are the parts that can be replaced by Ultegra without reducing performance by much (cassette, chain).
I recently bought a compact c/s in preparation for a mountainous holiday, but I opted for 6700 due to the price saving. I will also replace my cassette with an Ultegra one when it goes as well. But the money I save will no doubt be put into something else!
It's mostly about what you want. DA looks great and has a bigger feel-good factor, but if your budget only stretches to Ultegra, then there is nothing wrong with that - it is still fantastic. But Di2 is a must
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Tiagra mostly seems to be for manufacturers to hit a desired price point. Especially since it's 10-speed compatible.
e.g. Trek 3.1 is mostly 105 but a Tiagra front mech, the only reason I can think of is they needed to reduce the build cost by £5 per bike..
Agreed, I have 7800 and it's far smoother than my other bike's 6700. I suspect a lot of this is due to the cable routing. I liked the machined and polished look of 7800 too.
DA9000 looks nice, but it's 11 speed cassette isn't compatible with a lot of existing wheels. So check it'll fit before you buy.
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I think you have already answered your question. Buy the one YOU want.
As for twice as good? I think you know the answer to that one too.
How much better? Well if it allows you to finish a sportive 30 seconds faster then probably not worth it. If it allows you to finish a race 30 seconds faster then totally worth it.
What about in the other direction how is the 6700 Ultegra v 5700 105? It's a while since I have purchased road groupset, the price of them seems pretty close (c.£150 if you shop around). How is the performance of the two and what are the key differences? Have always run older 105 in the past but with the small price difference the Ultegra is tempting!!
The difference IME is worth the £150. On shifting the rear, probably very little difference, but I found shifting from the little to the big ring on Ultegra to be a breeze, way easier than 105.
(Based on riding a Trek 2.1 with 105 and Trek 3.5 with Ultegra)
Are fulcrum racing 3's 11 speed compatible? Presumably the cassette is wider??
Does going 11 speed more new wheels will be required. Will stick to ultegra if so...