Spec me a wheelset please?

cristoff
cristoff Posts: 229
edited June 2013 in Road buying advice
I have just purchased a Felt Z5 2013(black n white)which comes supplied with some Mavic Krsyium which the guy at mt LBS said were not great and pretty unserviceable. I had already decided i was going to spend a bit extra on a better wheelset anyway so here goes;

I have a budget of around £300 (maybe could go to £350)
I weigh 82kg (6ft 2") if this is relevant?
The roads around here are a disgrace so they would need to be durable/hard wearing
I would like some rims but no bigger than 30-40mm purely as i think they look really cool
I am not partuclarly speedy or anything however i would like to feel a big difference when putting the hammer down or climbing. I will use my bike for weekend rides up to 60 miles and the odd sportive of up to 100 miles.
I have never used tubs before, is there a reason to go for them over clinchers?
The wheels would need to go with my bike

thanks in advance, Chris

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  • supermurph09
    supermurph09 Posts: 2,471
    cristoff,I'm just down the road in South Wingfield so can relate to the poor surface comments! £350,you might consider handbuilts. Alpha Wheels in Beeston gave me a couple of quotes, Ultegra hub option came in about £350, Dura Ace & White Industries were aroundt he £500 mark. Archetype rims, sapim spokes.Certainly worth considering.
  • cristoff
    cristoff Posts: 229
    Do you get better value for money going down the handbuilt route?

    What kind of reputation do alpa have?
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  • cristoff wrote:
    I have just purchased a Felt Z5 2013(black n white)which comes supplied with some Mavic Krsyium which the guy at mt LBS said were not great and pretty unserviceable. I had already decided i was going to spend a bit extra on a better wheelset anyway so here goes;

    I have a budget of around £300 (maybe could go to £350)
    I weigh 82kg (6ft 2") if this is relevant?
    The roads around here are a disgrace so they would need to be durable/hard wearing
    I would like some rims but no bigger than 30-40mm purely as i think they look really cool
    I am not partuclarly speedy or anything however i would like to feel a big difference when putting the hammer down or climbing. I will use my bike for weekend rides up to 60 miles and the odd sportive of up to 100 miles.
    I have never used tubs before, is there a reason to go for them over clinchers?
    The wheels would need to go with my bike

    thanks in advance, Chris

    Hi Cristoff, what Ksyriums are they on there? Are you looking to sell? I thought they were decent wheels so your LBS comments surprise me!
    Current bike: 2014 Kinesis Racelight T2 - built by my good self!
  • cristoff
    cristoff Posts: 229
    Apologies, mavic Aksium they are. Yes I will be selling them
  • Ah ok that makes more sense. I might be interested and you're fairly local so let me know!
    Cheers,
    Current bike: 2014 Kinesis Racelight T2 - built by my good self!
  • Bar Shaker
    Bar Shaker Posts: 2,313
    The Felt Z5 comes with Mavic Aksiums. These are a world apart from Mavic Ksyriums.

    Ksyrium Elites a good match for your bike and come in black and white. They are stiff so transfer power very well, especially on tough climbs and anything else at that price range will likely feel dull in comparison. If you want something soft and flexy, these are not the wheels for you.

    Nice bike, by the way!
    Boardman Elite SLR 9.2S
    Boardman FS Pro
  • cristoff
    cristoff Posts: 229
    Ah ok that makes more sense. I might be interested and you're fairly local so let me know!
    Cheers,

    Ok fella, yes I'll definitely be selling them, when I get my new ones. They will be unused and I can let you have first refusal if you like?
  • estampida
    estampida Posts: 1,008
    hope hoops.....
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    edited June 2013
    Bar Shaker wrote:
    Ksyrium Elites ...anything else at that price range will likely feel dull in comparison.

    Rubbish alert :!:
  • cristoff
    cristoff Posts: 229
    spasypaddy wrote:
    fulcrum racing 3s from bike-discount.de

    Was looking at these on wiggle. They seemed pretty reasonable
  • cristoff wrote:
    Ah ok that makes more sense. I might be interested and you're fairly local so let me know!
    Cheers,

    Ok fella, yes I'll definitely be selling them, when I get my new ones. They will be unused and I can let you have first refusal if you like?

    Yes mate, if you wouldn't mind!
    Current bike: 2014 Kinesis Racelight T2 - built by my good self!
  • spasypaddy
    spasypaddy Posts: 5,180
    cristoff wrote:
    spasypaddy wrote:
    fulcrum racing 3s from bike-discount.de

    Was looking at these on wiggle. They seemed pretty reasonable
    great wheelset.
  • cristoff
    cristoff Posts: 229
    spasypaddy wrote:
    cristoff wrote:
    spasypaddy wrote:
    fulcrum racing 3s from bike-discount.de

    Was looking at these on wiggle. They seemed pretty reasonable
    great wheelset.

    Hmmm £325 delivered from bike-discount. De think I may have found a winner :-)
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    cristoff wrote:
    spasypaddy wrote:
    cristoff wrote:
    spasypaddy wrote:
    fulcrum racing 3s from bike-discount.de

    Was looking at these on wiggle. They seemed pretty reasonable
    great wheelset.

    Hmmm £325 delivered from bike-discount. De think I may have found a winner :-)

    Or these http://www.shinybikes.com/campagnolo-zonda-wheelset-2013.html for £275 ?
  • cristoff
    cristoff Posts: 229
    mfin wrote:
    cristoff wrote:
    spasypaddy wrote:
    cristoff wrote:
    spasypaddy wrote:
    fulcrum racing 3s from bike-discount.de

    Was looking at these on wiggle. They seemed pretty reasonable
    great wheelset.


    Hmmm £325 delivered from bike-discount. De think I may have found a winner :-)

    Or these http://www.shinybikes.com/campagnolo-zonda-wheelset-2013.html for £275 ?

    Nice looking
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,301
    If Mavic cannot be serviced, then Fulcrum 3 cannot be serviced and Shimano or Campagnolo cannot be serviced either. It depends what is the definition of servicing...
    You can change the bearings in all the above wheels, you can true them... but if it comes to rebuilding them or replacing a rim, then the economics make it impossible... if it comes to replacing broken spokes it is possible, but spokes are not always in stock and you can't use just "any spoke"... you can be lucky and find them straightaway or have to ground them for 6 weeks waiting for a replacement spoke... it can be a lottery. Mavic limitations in this respect are shared with all the main manufacturers that use proprietary parts
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  • cristoff
    cristoff Posts: 229
    I'm not sure what he meant by that comment?
  • pkripper
    pkripper Posts: 652
    cristoff wrote:
    I'm not sure what he meant by that comment?

    basically handbuilts are generally easier to service and/or repair than proprietry wheelsets.

    Personally, I've got both and have had no problems getting either repaired in reasonable timeframes - the biggest delay has always been mechanic availability.

    Oh, and the fulcrum 3's are nice wheels, as are ksyriums.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,301
    cristoff wrote:
    I'm not sure what he meant by that comment?

    Can this help?

    http://paolocoppo.drupalgardens.com/con ... ding-wheel
    left the forum March 2023
  • cristoff
    cristoff Posts: 229
    cristoff wrote:
    I'm not sure what he meant by that comment?

    Can this help?

    http://paolocoppo.drupalgardens.com/con ... ding-wheel

    Cool article, thanks for the help
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,301
    pkripper wrote:
    cristoff wrote:
    I'm not sure what he meant by that comment?

    basically handbuilts are generally easier to service and/or repair than proprietry wheelsets.

    Personally, I've got both and have had no problems getting either repaired in reasonable timeframes - the biggest delay has always been mechanic availability.

    Oh, and the fulcrum 3's are nice wheels, as are ksyriums.

    I was talking specifically about wheels that use proprietary parts... there are factory wheels that don't, American Calssics for instance... many others don't, so repairs are generally less of a drag... if then one likes the idea of going bespoke, that's fine too, of course
    left the forum March 2023
  • Bar Shaker
    Bar Shaker Posts: 2,313
    cristoff wrote:
    I'm not sure what he meant by that comment?

    He makes wheels by hand and has nothing good to say about any of the big wheel brands, despite their £mm R&D budgets, state of the art manufacturing and materials development, their finite analysis design depts and their competition heritage.

    There is a place for hand builts and they can be good low to medium spec wheels that can be reuilt, but they are not the answer to everything by a long, long way. I have only seen ones that look a bit 'beard and sandals' to me but there may be better ones.

    Personally, I like stiff climbing wheels, so I am Ksyrium fan. If they ever wear out, I will buy some more. After two years of hard use, my last set showed no signs of any wear. They are rated as amongst the most reliable wheels you can buy, as you would expect from a massive wheel company like Mavic. Each to their own.
    Boardman Elite SLR 9.2S
    Boardman FS Pro
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,301
    Bar Shaker wrote:
    cristoff wrote:
    I'm not sure what he meant by that comment?

    He makes wheels by hand and has nothing good to say about any of the big wheel brands, despite their £mm R&D budgets, state of the art manufacturing and materials development, their finite analysis design depts and their competition heritage.

    There is a place for hand builts and they can be good low to medium spec wheels that can be reuilt, but they are not the answer to everything by a long, long way. I have only seen ones that look a bit 'beard and sandals' to me but there may be better ones.

    Personally, I like stiff climbing wheels, so I am Ksyrium fan. If they ever wear out, I will buy some more. After two years of hard use, my last set showed no signs of any wear. They are rated as amongst the most reliable wheels you can buy, as you would expect from a massive wheel company like Mavic. Each to their own.

    Spot on...

    I only intervened to clarify... the OP seems concerned about serviceability and I made clear what the shopkeeper means and that it applies to other brands and not just Mavic. No generalizations, I made clear what are the brands which are hard to "service".
    I have no interest in steering the OP towards hand built wheels
    left the forum March 2023
  • cristoff
    cristoff Posts: 229
    Probike in Hucknall, Scott who owns it is a former pro cyclist
  • cristoff
    cristoff Posts: 229
    cristoff wrote:
    Ah ok that makes more sense. I might be interested and you're fairly local so let me know!
    Cheers,

    Ok fella, yes I'll definitely be selling them, when I get my new ones. They will be unused and I can let you have first refusal if you like?

    Yes mate, if you wouldn't mind!

    No problem
  • iwantblue
    iwantblue Posts: 134
    I was quite keen on Campag Zonda's as I happen to think they look great, but being a lardarse' I checked out the max rider limit and was too close for comfort..... I then looked for availability of spokes and really struggled, no doubt LBS's will have contacts that I wouldn't, but packs I did find for earlier versions of these wheels were approx £30 for a half dozen, and even then I didn't find ones for the latest Zonda's so Handbuilt became a better option for me to consider, read lots of good reviews for them though.