sportive geometry bikes, am i missing any?

rOcKeTdOg
rOcKeTdOg Posts: 25
edited May 2013 in Road buying advice
looking for long ride comfort rather than out and out race, but do like a bit of in the drops action so other than

Trek Domane
Giant Defy
Merida Ride
Cube Agree
Spesh Roubaix
Planet X RT58

what others are out there?
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Comments

  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    Just about any road bike on the market will do the job for you - not just the ones you've listed.
  • asprilla
    asprilla Posts: 8,440
    Scott CR1
    Spesh Secteur (Alu Roubaix)
    Trek Madone is fairly relaxed
    Aren't Bianchi C2Cs relaxed as well?
    I was looking at Canyons the other day and was surprised be the head tube length
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    The list is huge.
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  • rOcKeTdOg
    rOcKeTdOg Posts: 25
    Imposter wrote:
    Just about any road bike on the market will do the job for you - not just the ones you've listed.

    not after a short head tube, nose on the stem or a million headset spacer special just to bring the bars up style though, sportive geometry is shorter TT, longer HT & wheelbase, so no, not all road bikes are the same
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  • rOcKeTdOg wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Just about any road bike on the market will do the job for you - not just the ones you've listed.

    not after a short head tube, nose on the stem or a million headset spacer special just to bring the bars up style though, sportive geometry is shorter TT, longer HT & wheelbase, so no, not all road bikes are the same

    Why bother asking advice then?
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  • brettjmcc
    brettjmcc Posts: 1,361
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  • rOcKeTdOg
    rOcKeTdOg Posts: 25
    Why bother asking advice then?
    was kinda hoping someone would read the original post properly, maybe that was too much to ask, ah well :roll:
    pain is temporary,glory is forever
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    rOcKeTdOg wrote:
    Why bother asking advice then?
    was kinda hoping someone would read the original post properly, maybe that was too much to ask, ah well :roll:

    So Asprillas advice doesn't count then? I thought it was quite helpful. TBH, if you all you can be bothered to do is spend 10 minutes finding a random small selection before asking the forum to do the bulk of your research for you, you can hardly expect that positive a response :wink:

    Got to say, I admire your post rate! :lol:
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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    rOcKeTdOg wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Just about any road bike on the market will do the job for you - not just the ones you've listed.

    not after a short head tube, nose on the stem or a million headset spacer special just to bring the bars up style though, sportive geometry is shorter TT, longer HT & wheelbase, so no, not all road bikes are the same

    Nowadays short head tubes are not so common at all, so Id say the choice is vast for you.
  • Brassknocker
    Brassknocker Posts: 209
    Imposter wrote:
    Just about any road bike on the market will do the job for you - not just the ones you've listed.
    ..that's not actually true (or particularly helpful) is it.


    ...anyway, you should definitely include Focus Izalco Ergoride into the list.
    http://www.focus-bikes.com/int/en/bikes ... g30-g.html
    It's been mentioned already, but the Giant Defy .... also consider the Sensa Giulia.
    http://www.merlincycles.com/bike-shop/b ... -2013.html

    All have relatively short toptubes & longer headtubes.

    You could quite easily avoid a stack of spacers with either of those (especially the Ergoride). Also think about shallow drop bars, being on the drops is much more comfortable and easier on the neck/back.
  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    rOcKeTdOg wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Just about any road bike on the market will do the job for you - not just the ones you've listed.

    not after a short head tube, nose on the stem or a million headset spacer special just to bring the bars up style though, sportive geometry is shorter TT, longer HT & wheelbase, so no, not all road bikes are the same

    Looks like someone bought into all the marketing... :roll:
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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    Grill wrote:
    rOcKeTdOg wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Just about any road bike on the market will do the job for you - not just the ones you've listed.

    not after a short head tube, nose on the stem or a million headset spacer special just to bring the bars up style though, sportive geometry is shorter TT, longer HT & wheelbase, so no, not all road bikes are the same

    Looks like someone bought into all the marketing... :roll:

    Who, you mean you with all your Scotts?? :);)
  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    It's only because I can't afford Storcks. :D
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  • passout
    passout Posts: 4,425
    You could probably just flip the stem & mess with spacers/bars on many road bikes and have a similar ride as a result.
    But how about a Look 566 anyway?
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  • dwanes
    dwanes Posts: 954
    Its best not to get hung up on the sportive theme. I started looking at these but in the end got a Giant TCR over the 'Sportive' Defy because it felt more comfortable to ride.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    Imposter wrote:
    Just about any road bike on the market will do the job for you - not just the ones you've listed.
    ..that's not actually true (or particularly helpful) is it.

    Actually - it is perfectly correct. Leaving aside the debatable issue of 'sportive geometry' for a moment, it is eminently possible to ride a sportive on any road bike - or indeed any type of bike. Sportives are, after all, just road rides. It is possible to achieve the position he appears to favour on any bike - the only thing left to consider if whether he has too many spacers or not, which is an aesthetic issue, not a practical one. So yes, it was helpful - and practical.

    Ironically, the Sensa you link to has near identical geo to my Tarmac (marketed as a race bike).
  • passout
    passout Posts: 4,425
    edited May 2013
    Imposter wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Just about any road bike on the market will do the job for you - not just the ones you've listed.
    ..that's not actually true (or particularly helpful) is it.

    Actually - it is perfectly correct. Leaving aside the debatable issue of 'sportive geometry' for a moment, it is eminently possible to ride a sportive on any road bike - or indeed any type of bike. Sportives are, after all, just road rides. It is possible to achieve the position he appears to favour on any bike - the only thing left to consider if whether he has too many spacers or not, which is an aesthetic issue, not a practical one. So yes, it was helpful - and practical.

    Ironically, the Sensa you link to has near identical geo to my Tarmac (marketed as a race bike).

    I agree although there is nothing at all wrong with looking for suitable bike for sportives. I know becauce I started to do more distance & less speed in recent years. I took my Look (565 which is the same geometry as the 585) bike, put the spacer below the stem rather than above, flipped the stem (15 degrees - 100mm) and swapped to some wider & more shallow/compact bars. I also use 25mm tyres. The result is slightly slower but very much more comfortable bike. Over distance I actually think its faster because I use ther drops much more, even when tired. The ride position now feels very similar to my old winter trainer which is a sportive bike. In effect I'm slightly less stetched out and the front is higher - isn't that what a sportive bike offers? I'd look at the geometry of each bike, whether it be labelled sportive or not.
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  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    passout wrote:
    I'd look at the geometry of each bike, whether it be labelled sportive or not.

    And, additionally, look at your own geometry. If you have short legs and a long torso, then a standard 'racy' frame, will actually give you a Sportive position by default whereas a specific Sportive geometry might see you too upright.
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  • Coach H
    Coach H Posts: 1,092
    Rolf F wrote:
    passout wrote:
    I'd look at the geometry of each bike, whether it be labelled sportive or not.

    And, additionally, look at your own geometry. If you have short legs and a long torso, then a standard 'racy' frame, will actually give you a Sportive position by default whereas a specific Sportive geometry might see you too upright.

    Almost Rolf, but if like me you have matching short arms to go with those short legs and a resulting saddle to bar drop of only 30mm then you need (relatively) long top tube, long head tube, short seat tube.

    I agree with others though, sort your contact points out and THEN geometry to suit (regardless of marketing description)
    Coach H. (Dont ask me for training advice - 'It's not about the bike')