Great attack by Sagan, fair play, great ride. Wheelie over the line - complete [email protected]
Can't do one either eh?
Yeah don't understand the problem. McEwen used to wheelie over every HC summit on the Tour.
And Chiappucci used to bunny hop them.
Personally, I didn't particularly like the wheelie there.
He's won the race, he can celebrate how he wants.
If he wins Flanders, I want to see him walk across the line, bike above his head, then toss it to the floor and walk off.
But there are limits to what is acceptable. He can't stick two fingers up for example. A sprinter pulling a wheelie over a mountin pass that's taking the wee wee out of themselves and the climb. It's something else when you've just won a race, it could be construed as taking the wee wee out of your competitors. If I was his mum I'd tell him how proud I was of him but to wind his neck in a little.
Exactly that. He don't need to act like some arrogant tool. FWIW I like Sagan, especially when he rides like this and doesn't just follow wheels, he is a class act. I just think pulling wheelies over the line is a d1ck head thing to do. As for the analogy about playing with your mates in the park, that's fine if he is riding with his mates but he isn't, it's a pro race. You don't see any pro footballers pulling that trick.
But ah well, each to their own...
When a true genius appears in this world, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
If I was his mum I'd tell him how proud I was of him but to wind his neck in a little.
If you were my mum and I'd just won a big race against the best cyclists in the world I'd hand you the bike and suggest you to show me next week the correct way it should be done. I don't get why the guy can't have some fun while doing his work.
You should work for the UCI. You get to wear beige slacks and a blazer, and could spend your time making new regulations about UCI-sanctioned (i.e. boring, tedious) finish line celebrations.
Great attack by Sagan, fair play, great ride. Wheelie over the line - complete [email protected]
Can't do one either eh?
Yeah don't understand the problem. McEwen used to wheelie over every HC summit on the Tour.
And Chiappucci used to bunny hop them.
Personally, I didn't particularly like the wheelie there.
He's won the race, he can celebrate how he wants.
If he wins Flanders, I want to see him walk across the line, bike above his head, then toss it to the floor and walk off.
But there are limits to what is acceptable. He can't stick two fingers up for example. A sprinter pulling a wheelie over a mountin pass that's taking the wee wee out of themselves and the climb. It's something else when you've just won a race, it could be construed as taking the wee wee out of your competitors. If I was his mum I'd tell him how proud I was of him but to wind his neck in a little.
Exactly that. He don't need to act like some arrogant tool. FWIW I like Sagan, especially when he rides like this and doesn't just follow wheels, he is a class act. I just think pulling wheelies over the line is a d1ck head thing to do. As for the analogy about playing with your mates in the park, that's fine if he is riding with his mates but he isn't, it's a pro race. You don't see any pro footballers pulling that trick.
But ah well, each to their own...
There are limits to what you think are acceptable. Under the rules there are no limits. And who's he hurting? If it annoys his competitors, well they should just beat him and then he won't get to celebrate. As to your footballers point, I give you
"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
A young guy has just won a big race in the grand manner, and has a bit of fun at the finish which the crowd loves. What's the problem? He's not showing anyone up, he's just celebrating. If other riders don't like it, or think he is taking the piss, the answer is simple - stop him winning. Preferably by working together to bring him back, instead of just letting him ride away and waiting for everyone else to chase. THAT is taking the piss, out of sponsors and spectators.
It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
If I was his mum I'd tell him how proud I was of him but to wind his neck in a little.
If you were my mum and I'd just won a big race against the best cyclists in the world I'd hand you the bike and suggest you to show me next week the correct way it should be done. I don't get why the guy can't have some fun while doing his work.
You should work for the UCI. You get to wear beige slacks and a blazer, and could spend your time making new regulations about UCI-sanctioned (i.e. boring, tedious) finish line celebrations.
Hi nice to meet you. I'm not sure I deserved that but if you were my son I'd teach you how to have a discussion without resorting to personal attacks. That was entirely unnecessary. I'm sure Sagan couldn't care less what I think, but I'm entitled to think it's childish. For what it's worth I wouldn't seek to impose any rules on finish line celebrations, I would hope that riders were adult enough to know what the limits should be and when they don't that their team has a word/instills discipline as has been done in the past.
If I was his mum I'd tell him how proud I was of him but to wind his neck in a little.
If you were my mum and I'd just won a big race against the best cyclists in the world I'd hand you the bike and suggest you to show me next week the correct way it should be done. I don't get why the guy can't have some fun while doing his work.
You should work for the UCI. You get to wear beige slacks and a blazer, and could spend your time making new regulations about UCI-sanctioned (i.e. boring, tedious) finish line celebrations.
Hi nice to meet you. I'm not sure I deserved that but if you were my son I'd teach you how to have a discussion without resorting to personal attacks. That was entirely unnecessary. I'm sure Sagan couldn't care less what I think, but I'm entitled to think it's childish. For what it's worth I wouldn't seek to impose any rules on finish line celebrations, I would hope that riders were adult enough to know what the limits should be and when they don't that their team has a word/instills discipline as has been done in the past.
Serious question - what should the limits be, in your opinion?
It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
Some one on twitter mentioned that it can't be disrespectful if none of the other riders are around to see it. Quite like that rule actually, if you re on your own then you can do Whatever you like, if there are others then you need to be more respectful!
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
- @ddraver
If I was his mum I'd tell him how proud I was of him but to wind his neck in a little.
If you were my mum and I'd just won a big race against the best cyclists in the world I'd hand you the bike and suggest you to show me next week the correct way it should be done. I don't get why the guy can't have some fun while doing his work.
You should work for the UCI. You get to wear beige slacks and a blazer, and could spend your time making new regulations about UCI-sanctioned (i.e. boring, tedious) finish line celebrations.
Hi nice to meet you. I'm not sure I deserved that but if you were my son I'd teach you how to have a discussion without resorting to personal attacks. That was entirely unnecessary. I'm sure Sagan couldn't care less what I think, but I'm entitled to think it's childish. For what it's worth I wouldn't seek to impose any rules on finish line celebrations, I would hope that riders were adult enough to know what the limits should be and when they don't that their team has a word/instills discipline as has been done in the past.
Serious question - what should the limits be, in your opinion?
Showing respect to the race and the competitors and acting like a grown up professional that you are. I think pulling a wheelie, kissing your biceps, sucking a dummy etc are childish and disrespectful. Just like sticking two fingers up is disrespectful. That's how I feel about it. I'm not going to feel differently. It makes me dislike the man while maintaining huge respect for his massive talent. It's all a little immature alpha-male for me.
"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
If I was his mum I'd tell him how proud I was of him but to wind his neck in a little.
If you were my mum and I'd just won a big race against the best cyclists in the world I'd hand you the bike and suggest you to show me next week the correct way it should be done. I don't get why the guy can't have some fun while doing his work.
You should work for the UCI. You get to wear beige slacks and a blazer, and could spend your time making new regulations about UCI-sanctioned (i.e. boring, tedious) finish line celebrations.
Hi nice to meet you. I'm not sure I deserved that but if you were my son I'd teach you how to have a discussion without resorting to personal attacks. That was entirely unnecessary. I'm sure Sagan couldn't care less what I think, but I'm entitled to think it's childish. For what it's worth I wouldn't seek to impose any rules on finish line celebrations, I would hope that riders were adult enough to know what the limits should be and when they don't that their team has a word/instills discipline as has been done in the past.
Serious question - what should the limits be, in your opinion?
Showing respect to the race and the competitors and acting like a grown up professional that you are. I think pulling a wheelie, kissing your biceps, sucking a dummy etc are childish and disrespectful. Just like sticking two fingers up is disrespectful. That's how I feel about it. I'm not going to feel differently. It makes me dislike the man while maintaining huge respect for his massive talent. It's all a little immature alpha-male for me.
That's fair enough. Myself, I'm happy for a rider to show some emotion and enjoy a big win, but I can see why it could be seen as disrespectful. I would hope that if a rider celebrates like that, he's doing it through exuberance and not as a taunt to the other riders. I think Sagan's wheelie is the former. I like to see things like that, and the wheelie is a sort of trademark of his.
It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
If I was his mum I'd tell him how proud I was of him but to wind his neck in a little.
If you were my mum and I'd just won a big race against the best cyclists in the world I'd hand you the bike and suggest you to show me next week the correct way it should be done. I don't get why the guy can't have some fun while doing his work.
You should work for the UCI. You get to wear beige slacks and a blazer, and could spend your time making new regulations about UCI-sanctioned (i.e. boring, tedious) finish line celebrations.
Hi nice to meet you. I'm not sure I deserved that but if you were my son I'd teach you how to have a discussion without resorting to personal attacks. That was entirely unnecessary. I'm sure Sagan couldn't care less what I think, but I'm entitled to think it's childish. For what it's worth I wouldn't seek to impose any rules on finish line celebrations, I would hope that riders were adult enough to know what the limits should be and when they don't that their team has a word/instills discipline as has been done in the past.
Serious question - what should the limits be, in your opinion?
Showing respect to the race and the competitors and acting like a grown up professional that you are. I think pulling a wheelie, kissing your biceps, sucking a dummy etc are childish and disrespectful. Just like sticking two fingers up is disrespectful. That's how I feel about it. I'm not going to feel differently. It makes me dislike the man while maintaining huge respect for his massive talent. It's all a little immature alpha-male for me.
Why/how are they disrespectful?
"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
Johan Museeuw winning Roubaix and pointing to his leg?
Bartoli, I think it was, walking across the line holding up his bike?
Those ok by you?
"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
So you're only allowed to have an opinion if you a) compete, b) the competitors have the same opinion?
I realise other people don't share my views that is fine, I defend your right to have them, I'd hope that others would accord me the same.
That wasn't directed at you. It was a genuine question.
Im absolutely fine with people disagreeing with me. I just like to understand their thinking
"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
Winning is great. Winning is enough. I feel that showing off when winning is disrespectful. For me it cheapens the victory. I want to like Sagan, I think he is extremely talented but I just can't actually like him when he acts like that. He's the kind of guy you see all the time acting like a show-off in a bar and you just know to avoid them.
This may of course be because as a child I was taught this the hard way. I was grounded by my parents and suspended from the school team after I showed off after winning a cross country running race.
Winning is great. Winning is enough. I feel that showing off when winning is disrespectful. For me it cheapens the victory. I want to like Sagan, I think he is extremely talented but I just can't actually like him when he acts like that. He's the kind of guy you see all the time acting like a show-off in a bar and you just know to avoid them.
This may of course be because as a child I was taught this the hard way. I was grounded by my parents and suspended from the school team after I showed off after winning a cross country running race.
Fair enough. For the record, im not a showy, demonstrative type. I just like to see people bring a bit of fun to a sport which can, at times, be a bit earnest.
"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Exactly that. He don't need to act like some arrogant tool. FWIW I like Sagan, especially when he rides like this and doesn't just follow wheels, he is a class act. I just think pulling wheelies over the line is a d1ck head thing to do. As for the analogy about playing with your mates in the park, that's fine if he is riding with his mates but he isn't, it's a pro race. You don't see any pro footballers pulling that trick.
But ah well, each to their own...
You should work for the UCI. You get to wear beige slacks and a blazer, and could spend your time making new regulations about UCI-sanctioned (i.e. boring, tedious) finish line celebrations.
I know, no Cycling, no Hockey Girls! Seriously it's like I'm in Algeria already!
(calm down Simon! :shock: )
- @ddraver
There are limits to what you think are acceptable. Under the rules there are no limits. And who's he hurting? If it annoys his competitors, well they should just beat him and then he won't get to celebrate. As to your footballers point, I give you
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1391308-10-of-the-most-iconic-goal-celebrations-in-world-football
@gietvangent
A young guy has just won a big race in the grand manner, and has a bit of fun at the finish which the crowd loves. What's the problem? He's not showing anyone up, he's just celebrating. If other riders don't like it, or think he is taking the piss, the answer is simple - stop him winning. Preferably by working together to bring him back, instead of just letting him ride away and waiting for everyone else to chase. THAT is taking the piss, out of sponsors and spectators.
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Matthieu Ladagnous FDJ +23"
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Hi nice to meet you. I'm not sure I deserved that but if you were my son I'd teach you how to have a discussion without resorting to personal attacks. That was entirely unnecessary. I'm sure Sagan couldn't care less what I think, but I'm entitled to think it's childish. For what it's worth I wouldn't seek to impose any rules on finish line celebrations, I would hope that riders were adult enough to know what the limits should be and when they don't that their team has a word/instills discipline as has been done in the past.
Serious question - what should the limits be, in your opinion?
- @ddraver
Showing respect to the race and the competitors and acting like a grown up professional that you are. I think pulling a wheelie, kissing your biceps, sucking a dummy etc are childish and disrespectful. Just like sticking two fingers up is disrespectful. That's how I feel about it. I'm not going to feel differently. It makes me dislike the man while maintaining huge respect for his massive talent. It's all a little immature alpha-male for me.
@gietvangent
+1
Not really no.
That's fair enough. Myself, I'm happy for a rider to show some emotion and enjoy a big win, but I can see why it could be seen as disrespectful. I would hope that if a rider celebrates like that, he's doing it through exuberance and not as a taunt to the other riders. I think Sagan's wheelie is the former. I like to see things like that, and the wheelie is a sort of trademark of his.
Why/how are they disrespectful?
@gietvangent
So you're only allowed to have an opinion if you a) compete, b) the competitors have the same opinion?
I realise other people don't share my views that is fine, I defend your right to have them, I'd hope that others would accord me the same.
Bartoli, I think it was, walking across the line holding up his bike?
Those ok by you?
@gietvangent
That wasn't directed at you. It was a genuine question.
Im absolutely fine with people disagreeing with me. I just like to understand their thinking
@gietvangent
Lol, I suppose that should be something I consider although I would award it to the person demonstrating the best in the race rather than the win.
Winning is great. Winning is enough. I feel that showing off when winning is disrespectful. For me it cheapens the victory. I want to like Sagan, I think he is extremely talented but I just can't actually like him when he acts like that. He's the kind of guy you see all the time acting like a show-off in a bar and you just know to avoid them.
This may of course be because as a child I was taught this the hard way. I was grounded by my parents and suspended from the school team after I showed off after winning a cross country running race.
Fair enough. For the record, im not a showy, demonstrative type. I just like to see people bring a bit of fun to a sport which can, at times, be a bit earnest.
@gietvangent