Scott Foil 20 2013

frederixx
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Hi,
I'd like to get some opinions on that bike. I'm really close to buying it but i need to make sure i get all the cons before doing so.
I'm also a bit concerned that it might be uncomfortable for longer rides +3h
Thank you
I'd like to get some opinions on that bike. I'm really close to buying it but i need to make sure i get all the cons before doing so.
I'm also a bit concerned that it might be uncomfortable for longer rides +3h
Thank you
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I would ride it beforehand seems obvioous? I recon it will be fantastic. Its more race geo than others but i dont think it eill be uncomfortable plus 3 hours. My addict is fine for 7 hours in the saddle.0
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[waits patiently for Grill to see this thread]“Training is like fighting with a gorilla. You don’t stop when you’re tired. You stop when the gorilla is tired.”0
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Present!
Clearly I love the Foil. I finally got back on my 2013 after a few months on my winter bike (GT) and I made me realize just how much I missed it. Yes it's a stiff bike, but I find it incredibly comfortable (even on 115psi 23c tyres and a 110 gram full carbon saddle). I got a bit carried away with it yesterday an took it on a 90 miler in th afternoon before heading to the track with it in the evening. I've done many centuries on my Foils as well as a 12hr time trial and it is my ride of choice for both 24hr TTs I've entered this year (12hr is now on the Plasma). I would do the Bryan Chapman Memorial 600k and the LEL on it it took full guards.
My GT is now for sale and my old Foil has now been promoted to winter duty because I now realize I've been selling myself short by riding inferior product (in comparison). It builds up very light (both are sub 7kg one with Ultegra and the other with DA), and the stiffness mean that it instantly responds up hills and in a sprint. Steering input is direct and stable even on fast technical descents.
Are there cons to the Foil? Possibly. If you're used to a hybrid with 28c tyres at 90 psi it might lack the compliance, and it does have aggressive geometry with a short head tube, but that's why they make the CR1.English Cycles V3 | Cervelo P5 | Cervelo T4 | Trek Domane Koppenberg0 -
You won't hear a bad word about Scott bikes, across the range. Just make sure it fits well.0
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I have a Scott Speedster s20 and I love it, it might be one frame size too small, but its still a great bike and its taken me to Paris so can't complain.
Question to the experienced guys with more than one bike, when you say stiffness and instant response, what do you mean exactly? I obviously only know one road bike and its not carbon so cannot make any differentiation...Scott Speedster S20 Roadie for Speed
Specialized Hardrock MTB for Lumps
Specialized Langster SS for Ease
Cinelli Mash Bolt Fixed for Pain
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ShutUpLegs wrote:You won't hear a bad word about Scott bikes, across the range. Just make sure it fits well.
I have one gripe, they completely messed up with the CR1. The frame used to be spot on, headtube is now too tall. Even with the stem slammed it's just too upright. Fair enough they made the Foil the more aggressive race bike to replace the Addict and changed the CR1 into a 'sportive' (hate the use of that word!) bike but what about people who just wanted an updated/newer version of the first generation CR1, with the same geometry? I had a 2006 version and the frame was spot on. Nothing I've ridden since comes close to the way that thing goes when you point it up a hill. I regret selling that bike!
Surely they could of just introduced a more relaxed frame in it's own right?
Never ridden a Foil. I think it would lead to my Enigma on the For Sale board.“Training is like fighting with a gorilla. You don’t stop when you’re tired. You stop when the gorilla is tired.”0 -
goonz wrote:Question to the experienced guys with more than one bike, when you say stiffness and instant response, what do you mean exactly? I obviously only know one road bike and its not carbon so cannot make any differentiation...
There is no delay on the stroke- i.e. instant energy transmission. A frame that's too damp or soft will absorb your power before translating it to the road, whereas frames like the Foil or Addict put the power down instantaneously. When you're out of the saddle on hard climbs it's an absolute pleasure and makes you want to go that much harder.English Cycles V3 | Cervelo P5 | Cervelo T4 | Trek Domane Koppenberg0 -
Grill wrote:goonz wrote:Question to the experienced guys with more than one bike, when you say stiffness and instant response, what do you mean exactly? I obviously only know one road bike and its not carbon so cannot make any differentiation...
There is no delay on the stroke- i.e. instant energy transmission. A frame that's too damp or soft will absorb your power before translating it to the road, whereas frames like the Foil or Addict put the power down instantaneously. When you're out of the saddle on hard climbs it's an absolute pleasure and makes you want to go that much harder.
Does this kind of talk really on apply to carbon bikes or alu also? My speedster from what I could tell gets me up hills pretty well but again I have nothing to compare against apart from a MTB. I may try to test ride a carbon bike in the summer and try to determine the differences...Scott Speedster S20 Roadie for Speed
Specialized Hardrock MTB for Lumps
Specialized Langster SS for Ease
Cinelli Mash Bolt Fixed for Pain
n+1 is well and truly on track
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Carbon bikes have a greater propensity to show this kind of response, but I find it's only noticeable on certain models- typically those that are quite stiff on the BB and headtube. Wheels make a big difference too as if they flex whilst climbing you won't feel the same type of response.
It was really noticeable for my coming from the GT to the Foil even when my legs weren't at their best.English Cycles V3 | Cervelo P5 | Cervelo T4 | Trek Domane Koppenberg0 -
Is your GT an alu or carbon?
Also why the massive love for Scott's? No disrespect or anything, just wondered what made you like them so much.Scott Speedster S20 Roadie for Speed
Specialized Hardrock MTB for Lumps
Specialized Langster SS for Ease
Cinelli Mash Bolt Fixed for Pain
n+1 is well and truly on track
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I like Scotts too - I have a Scott Spark LTD mountain bike.
But if you're looking at the Foil you should probably check out the Specialized Venge too, very similar idea, guess it depends on the best deal you can find, and which you prefer the look of. I think the Venge looks more 'organic', smoother.
Re. Headtube size, these have increased over recent years as most amateur riders prefer a more upright position, but it does make it tricky for those of us that don't......I've had to get a long -30' stem with no spacers on the already 'racey' SL4 Sworks.0 -
GT is 7005 Alu and quite a good bike in it's own respect, just doesn't hold a candle to the Foil.
I managed a ski/board shop in the Alps for many years and was always impressed by not just the quality of Scott products (anyone who hasn't skied Crusades is missing out), but also their reps and aftersales service. I don't swing from the nuts of any company, but Scott bikes tend to have spot on geometry for me and have been solid so as a result I always check out their line when I'm looking at a new bike. The reason I have two Foils is that one was damaged in transit (being repaired) and insurance bought me a new one. My next bike will probably be a Storck as I've lusted after one for a while,
I'm in the process of building an audax/touring machine and I can assure you that it's not a Scott!English Cycles V3 | Cervelo P5 | Cervelo T4 | Trek Domane Koppenberg0 -
Nice, I will definitely be looking at Scott again when I am ready to buy a carbon, but my heart seems to lean towards a Focus/Willier/Ridley. Mainly on the looks!Scott Speedster S20 Roadie for Speed
Specialized Hardrock MTB for Lumps
Specialized Langster SS for Ease
Cinelli Mash Bolt Fixed for Pain
n+1 is well and truly on track
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jordan_217 wrote:ShutUpLegs wrote:You won't hear a bad word about Scott bikes, across the range. Just make sure it fits well.
I have one gripe, they completely messed up with the CR1. The frame used to be spot on, headtube is now too tall. Even with the stem slammed it's just too upright. Fair enough they made the Foil the more aggressive race bike to replace the Addict and changed the CR1 into a 'sportive' (hate the use of that word!) bike but what about people who just wanted an updated/newer version of the first generation CR1, with the same geometry? I had a 2006 version and the frame was spot on. Nothing I've ridden since comes close to the way that thing goes when you point it up a hill. I regret selling that bike!
Surely they could have just introduced a more relaxed frame in it's own right?
Never ridden a Foil. I think it would lead to my Enigma on the For Sale board.
If the CR1 is too upright for you then I suspect the Foil will be spot on. I'm glad they changed the CR1 as it means an inflexible auld knacker like me gets a cracking frame with a decent bit of comfort
Test ride the Foil, you know you want to.......0 -
jordan_217 wrote:ShutUpLegs wrote:I have one gripe, they completely messed up with the CR1. The frame used to be spot on, headtube is now too tall. Even with the stem slammed it's just too upright.
Thats not a gripe about the product though.0