Pro4 Endurance or GP 4 Seasons?

Coach H

Oh no not another 'what tyre thread :roll:

I have searched and not found exactly what I am looking for.

So Krylion Carbons are no more and my rear had a side wall tear. What to do?
I could go for the Pro4 Endurance, but my search has suggested these are not the direct replacement to the Krylions that Michelin would have us believe.
GP 4 Seasons it is then, but is it? I have never ridden these, having been on Krylions for my winter bike for the last 6 years, so what are peoples opinions?

iPete

I picked up the Pro4 'endurance' in Autumn and they are anything but, fine in the dry but used in the wet they cut on glass v.easily. Since giving up on those I've been rolling on GP4 all winter, not a single puncture. Purely anecdotal but I hope not to use the Pro4 again.

danlikesbikes

Can't comment on the Pro4 but as per iPete I too have the GP 4 season on my winter bike for the last 2 years and been out in most conditions and to date have not suffered a puncture.

iPete

Sorry, got them mixed up!


...want to buy a slightly used set of Pro4 endurance tyres?

Dadmo

Same here - not yet had a puncture with GP 4 Seasons. Best winter tyre I know of.

fast as fupp

4 seasons are like riding on those solid tyres that used to be on kids bikes

bendertherobot

Conversely I put thousands of miles in on Pro 4 without a flat and punctured GP4's several times.

cycleclinic

4 seaons again. Verdestein tri comp fortezza are ment to be pretty good as are Vittoria Rubino's. However the 4 speason I know are excellent.

deswahriff

...between them, Michelin and Continental know all there is to know about tyres, they invest hugely in R and D - you really can't go wrong with either choice.
Whether you puncture or not is largley down to luck and your local road conditions....and of course, everyone has their favourite based on their own experience...for me its Michelin , I'll be replacing my Krylions with PRO4 Endurance...

Omar Little

My experience of the GP4 Seasons is that they cut on glass in the wet very easily (which is a shame because they have great grip in the wet) and Pro4 Endurance has better protection. Although i think these things are partly down to luck and also dependent on where you ride and the type of debris that is causing the problem - in some parts of the country it is glass, some parts it is flints, some parts hawthorns etc - ifferent tyres standup to each thrat in a different way.

Although that being said i dont have Pro4 on at the moment and instead have been using a set of durano plus on the bike over the winter and i've been pretty impressed with them. I only put them on because i had a spare set that i'd got for free and had to wait on new tyres being delivered....had expected them to be heavy, poor grip and a poor ride (like a 23c version of marathon plus) so thought i'd be putting them on for a weekend then taking them off again when the new tyres arrived. But i've just kept them on, will change when the summer comes but as a winter tyre ive liked them.

ilm_zero7

fast as fupp wrote:

4 seasons are like riding on those solid tyres that used to be on kids bikes

I agree. but dont think you are comparing like-with-like. Pro Race 4 service course are a better tyre, and on a par with Conti GP 4000's for puncture resistance.

I have Conti Force and attack GP, but did no more than 5-6 rides on the 4 seasons before I took them off and consigned them to the ' if all else fails bin - they were horrible !

deswahriff

..forgot to say, the one practical thing you can do to avoid punctures is to run 25mm tyres, but you probablly all know this...

Coach H

Thanks everyone for taking the time to reply.

Although there is plenty of conflicting advice (both here and other sources) on balance the 4 seasons have won the day and a pair are on order (in 25's of course, this is for the winter bike).

The really question that remains is why oh why did Michelin tamper at all with the Krylions? Just stamping the sidewall with a new logo would have surficed :roll: Bah Humbug, I blame those pesky kids!

deswahriff

..probably too late for you, but here's a recent review
http://road.cc/content/review/76068-michelin-pro4-endurance-tyre

ADIHEAD

I've got Pro 4 standards on race bike, very impressed and durable compared to Pro3. Conti 4 season 23's on 2nd summer wheelset - very impressed, ride fine with latex tubes and grip well, only puncture when worn down. My favourite for the winter though is Schwalbe Durano folding 25mm's. Not one puncture despite terrible conditions in over a year's riding - many wet summer rides also! Front still like new, rear a bit cut up but very little wear and as I say, no punctures. They come up pretty wide though, as wide as the 28mm GP4 fitted to a mate's CX bike.