Canyon Aeroad vs Scott Foil?

BorisJohnson80

Anyone out there ridden both a Foil and a Aeroad? Looking to upgrade from a CAAD10 to a bike that will be mostly used for group rides / sportives but also capable of being used for the occasional tri with the addition of some aero bars. I've ridden a '12 Foil 20 which was superb, but the wheels and Sram Force of the 2013 Aeroad CF 7 make it appealing price wise. However I've a nagging feeling the frame itself is not up to the Scott's and the lack of a chance to give one a try is a concern. Anyone who has had a blast on both able to shed some light on which way to go?

teebs_123

Not ridden a Canyon but own a Scott Foil 20 with Mavic Cosmics. I've done 2000 miles on it since April and its been faultless. There are a few Scott owners on here. Might be worth trying the weight weenies forum as a few members there are running the Canyon.

Grill

I too have a Foil 20. Put 3000 miles on it in 2.5 months before retiring it for winter and it's been perfect. I run Kysirum Elites which have also been bombproof. The reviews of the Aeroad are not all that great and the fact that you can't demo one makes it a riskier purchase.

I bought mine at Epic Cycles so fitting was included and it was priced much lower than anywhere else. Highly recommended.

BorisJohnson80

Thanks for that - hardly ever hear a bad word about the Foil and 90% sure thats what I'll end up with. Would be looking at slightly less miles but good to see they hold up well. Read some of the mixed reviews on the canyon but will check out WW.

styxd

What are the negative reviews regarding the Canyon out of interest?

I'm sure at least one pro tour team used the Aeroad frame...........

Regardless, I'd keep the Caad and get a couple of sets of decent wheels for it. One for your group rides and one for TT's.

Grill

Most are based around the Aeroad being soft, especially on the front end, and the lack of response on power transfer. Then there's always the claimed aero benefit of the frame which is hard to take seriously as they did zero wind tunnel or cfd testing. Basically all they did was compare frontal area and equate less = better which is the engineering equivilant to alchemy. I you look at Scott's process then Canyon's efforts become even more laughable as the Foil was actually designed, developed, and tested with a rider (something most other companies don't do).

bisoner

Aeroad owner here. Let me start with the 'Aeroad' is soft sillyness. I also read the Bikeradar review before getting the bike but based on the fact the frame was used by Gilbert and now the Rodriguez of Team Katusha on the Tour, I ended up being a little confused. Saying all this, I'd probably side with the experiences of a Pro (who could use the CF SLX if he wanted to as that is the so called Canyon 'climber and sprint' bike) but chose to use the 'flopsy' Aeroad.

Anyway, my experiences of my Aeroad over the past few months:

1) A proper all round bike - climbs great and wants to be ridden fast.
2) Very comfortable bike - the seatpost definitely helps.
3) It feels alot stiffer than my previous bike - Boardman Team Carbon.
4) Not sure about the aero benefits but it certainly puts you in an aggressive riding position but still maintains number 2) above.
5) I had unreliable SRAM Rival and now have bullet proof Dura Ace (groupset was main reason for a new bike).
6) It's great value for money.
7) It looks fantastic.
8) It has plenty of adjustment to help you find a comfortable position - a downside is that can't try it out before you buy.

I don't have much experience of the Foil but know some guys with Scott bikes and like them alot. I have to admit that getting a new bike is largely down to whether you like the look of it. Most of the other stuff is sales guff.

Grill

bisoner wrote:

I don't have much experience of the Foil but know some guys with Scott bikes and like them alot. I have to admit that getting a new bike is largely down to whether you like the look of it. Most of the other stuff is sales guff.

This.

It's highly unlikely that owners of either bike will slag them off.

dru

I am not an owner of a Scott Foil Bike - I hate them, particularly the Scott Foil 20 of Mr Grill, that when we did a back to back test in September acheived a 200 yard benefit over a 12 hour ride compared to my aluminium Cervelo S1.

I'll throw the S1 in the ring as well, its a good allround frameset, can eat up the miles or the climbs, is comfortable for short or long distances, races, audaxs oh and the 12 hout time trial tes that I am refering to above.

Biggest problem with S1's is that they are no longer produced, but secondhand frame sets come up regularly enough.

mallorcajeff

Grill wrote:

bisoner wrote:

I don't have much experience of the Foil but know some guys with Scott bikes and like them alot. I have to admit that getting a new bike is largely down to whether you like the look of it. Most of the other stuff is sales guff.

Have to agree with this in most parts 99% of us wouldnt tell the newer model from the last one im sure most of it is sales talk. I ride A Scott Addict and love it, Did toy with changing it for the Aeroad and then thought will I notice the difference? Probably not, And both bikes are better than me which is also the case for a lot of us, so Im sticking with the Scott. Have to say been faultless in the last 11 months and Ive put 10 thousand miles on mine this year. Great brand. I love the canyons too but that would be for the Look of it and Im not spending £5000 to change the "look of my bike"

Buy what you like the look of and what fits. Personally Im tempted by the Value For Money of the Canyons but having had such a good Experience I have no need to look elsewhere next time.

Ride what you want to most reviews are contradictory online anyway. Some reviews they are great some they are terrible. Ride one and make your own mind up its your money and your ar5e thats sat on it all day.