I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

70\ʹspenguin

paulneenan76 wrote:

http://imageshack.us/a/img402/6263/imagekvv.jpg

Hopefully these links goes to a imageshack photo of my new wheelset etc form superstar.

http://imageshack.us/photo/photo/18/imagexda.jpg/

Such a shame you had to spoil them with those vile tyres

paulneenan76

70\'sPenguin wrote:

paulneenan76 wrote:

http://imageshack.us/a/img402/6263/imagekvv.jpg

Hopefully these links goes to a imageshack photo of my new wheelset etc form superstar.

http://imageshack.us/photo/photo/18/imagexda.jpg/

Such a shame you had to spoil them with those vile tyres

how very dare you!! Yeah they are a marmite tyre but I love them - both look and performance. Had Conti verts before which I'd go back to once I kill these off - or get the Pana's again lol.

The Rookie

70\'sPenguin wrote:

Such a shame you had to spoil them with those vile tyres

Your computer must have a virus and be redirecting you away from the real pics :roll: :roll:

paulneenan76

Update on how I'm finding my new Superstar wheelset!!

Well, just Awesome. The uplift in performance has been excellent and I'm well chuffed. Along with a good service, new cables and a new X7 rear mech, I'm loving it and can't wait to get it all on to a C456 (come on On One drop the price again please).

After a rubbish night ride on Thursday (poor route choice), I managed to get out on the Woburn trails for a few hours early this morning with my brother. Trails held up well considering the poor weather and we had great fun :^)

Here's a pic

http://imageshack.us/a/img534/3086/imagewjr.jpg

The Rookie

That shed needs some work, not sure I'd have leant my bike on it!

paulneenan76

The Beginner wrote:

That shed needs some work, not sure I'd have leant my bike on it!

Yeah it's not a well maintained property but it is in a prime Woburn location - It's the start and end point for 3 trails

The Rookie

Clearly the shed could use some upgrades, some benches, sides that look like a fart won't blow them over, a decent roof and a bike rack.....most importantly what colour anodizing for the fittings.....

mrmonkfinger

The thick end of a grand to end up with all your old components on an on-one frame and a new fork?

Crazy.

paulneenan76

mrmonkfinger wrote:

The thick end of a grand to end up with all your old components on an on-one frame and a new fork?

Crazy.

I don't understand what you're saying here - thick end of a grand? A large percentage of my current bike ports over -leaving a c456 frame, front mech, headset, seatpost and clamp which won't. I will get some Rockshox Revs to compliment the frame but its not needed straight away. Everything I've done, upgraded, changed, since I got back on a bike has been to a budget. This will continue with the On One Carbon 456 frame. However, I could go buy the frame bundle from On One and still build a complete bike for £250 less than a grand. So, not sure what you mean, but I don't see it as "crazy", but a very cheap and easy option even at on ones current price point.

But if you'd like to expand on your point, I'm happy to listen.

Ta

mrmonkfinger

The opening post was talking about doing things on a budget.

making do with building it using some of my less decent parts (wheelset and fork) and porting everything else over

but wait

the wheelset arrived from superstar today - great speedy device and awesome Haribo!

and

once I've factored in another £100 for a couple of bits I need and the build cost my LBS would charge I'm looking at nearly a grand and not the budget build I have vowed to undertake

nearly a grand, plus £150 for a wheelset.

I could go buy the frame bundle from On One and still build a complete bike for £250 less than a grand

or is it £750?


This is not doing things on budget, that is all.

paulneenan76

FYI - thus far, I've not purchased anything specifically for the C456 build. Several parts on my Kraken have been replaced for nearly new used or new in the sale, saving a significant amount in the process. As I said previously in response to just buying the frame bundle from on one, this does not fit in with what I want to achieve in terms of budget, so at the current price, £750, whilst good value, it's not a viable option. In terms of the £150 on a wheelset? By any standard this is good value and fits perfectly with my aims here. I desperately needed new hubs but the cost and rebuild was not viable on a wheelset of some 5years. I had a budget (based on a missed opportunity from Madison) and I stuck to it - and I'm well happy.

Everything I've bought and will buy, will be to my budget and represent good value to me. I will need 2-3 parts but i will source them cheap new or cheap used. I could source the frame 2nd hand but this is something I've ruled out for a number of good reasons. I would like new forks to go with the frame swap but they have to meet my criteria. They don't have to be new and I don't have to have them until after the frame swap (not ideal but I'll make do). In terms of building it up, I don't feel comfortable doing this, and it's not good value if I balls it up, so I'll have to get help here which will cost. I admit its not good value but a friend has now offered to supervise for the price of a few beers - so I'll be learning and saving - jobs a good'un.

I'll get this done - hopefully. At that time, please let me know if you think I've achieved a budget C456 build, and what you might have do e differently.

mrmonkfinger

paulneenan76 wrote:

FYI - thus far, I've not purchased anything specifically for the C456 build.

sorry, I missed that about the wheelset

paulneenan76 wrote:

what you might have do e differently.

be far more flexible on frame choice
go second hand or new-old-stock
consider buying a complete new bike & keeping the frame/forks & stripping the remaining parts and selling them
or just sell the kraken complete, and buy a whole new bike

The Rookie

My MTB is always work in progress (next mod' is definately, well maybe, going 1x9), so reframing for me would just be another 'upgrade' (admittedly with a few extra frame specific bits), bikes are nearly always worth more sold in bits rather than whole which is why when building some of the families bikes I buy a 'good used' donor and then usually make a profit on what I don't need, how my wifes bike with new frame, saddle, forks and headset cost just £75 (most stuff Deore/LX level) to build.

paulneenan76

mrmonkfinger wrote:

paulneenan76 wrote:

FYI - thus far, I've not purchased anything specifically for the C456 build.

sorry, I missed that about the wheelset

paulneenan76 wrote:

what you might have do e differently.

be far more flexible on frame choice
go second hand or new-old-stock
consider buying a complete new bike & keeping the frame/forks & stripping the remaining parts and selling them
or just sell the kraken complete, and buy a whole new bike

These are good considerations. The thing is, in terms of being flexible on frame choice, I suppose I could be flexible on colour/undecaled carbon456 frame but not on the frame design (was thinking steel 456 but carbon does it for me).
2nd hand is a consideration but buying a carbon bike in this way seems very risky. Old stock is far more likely and I am keeping my eye out.
Buying a donor bike for frame and forks? I get it but I'm put off by outlay initially and then selling a load of parts + kraken frame & forks. Also, complete C456's fetch good money!

Sell the Kraken and buy a new complete C456? Again I think it's too expensive and less fulfilling.

mrmonkfinger

paulneenan76 wrote:

2nd hand is a consideration but buying a carbon bike in this way seems very risky.

Why so?

would you say the same about steel or alu?

paulneenan76

No I'd feel more comfortable checking over a used steel or Alu frame - Carbon is out of my comfort zone. My friend has a custom Trek Carbon and has a good knowledge on this. His advice was to steer clear as the opportunity to get a bum deal is bigger with things like hard to see damage, weakening through impact, difficult to detect. I'm not saying I won't, but I'd rather not as I don't feel comfortable putting trust and faith in a 2nd hand seller.

felix.london

How about a set of these for your C456?

Rock Shox Sektor RL Solo Air Forks 2011;
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=81585

Looks like a good price to me

paulneenan76

felix.london wrote:

How about a set of these for your C456?

Rock Shox Sektor RL Solo Air Forks 2011;
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=81585

Looks like a good price to me

Thanks for pointing these out - they are a bargain. Sadly I need QR only (and I want black lol) but I take it the Sektors should be a consideration along with the Revs, depending on price of course?

70\ʹspenguin

FWIW if you have the SS switch hubs, it is ridiculously simple to change the axle to accommodate any fork you like. Worth noting because sometimes the real bargains are to be had with the non standard QR forks.

felix.london

70\'sPenguin wrote:

FWIW if you have the SS switch hubs, it is ridiculously simple to change the axle to accommodate any fork you like. Worth noting because sometimes the real bargains are to be had with the non standard QR forks.

+1

Adapters cost a tenner each

paulneenan76

felix.london wrote:

70\'sPenguin wrote:

FWIW if you have the SS switch hubs, it is ridiculously simple to change the axle to accommodate any fork you like. Worth noting because sometimes the real bargains are to be had with the non standard QR forks.

+1

Adapters cost a tenner each

I've got the Superleggera's and they're QR only sadly.

paulneenan76

A few parts arrived today - some I need due to size; seatpost, clamp etc., some are bargains purchased as Christmas presents (wont get hands on till Christmas Day), like stem and bars!!

It's started. Looking for bargain C456 frame and new forks. Decided 2nd hand frame should be a consideration.

Paul

The Spiderman

I would put a wnated ad on the singletrackworld forum.There are lots of C456 owner on there.

70\ʹspenguin

The Spiderman wrote:

I would put a wnated ad on the singletrackworld forum.There are lots of C456 owner on there.

+1

booyaka

What size of C456 are you looking for? I'm likely to be upgrading my c456 frame (large 20") shortly to a FS so frame will be up for sale.

paulneenan76

70\'sPenguin wrote:

The Spiderman wrote:

I would put a wnated ad on the singletrackworld forum.There are lots of C456 owner on there.

+1

Good shout - will have a go with singletrack.

paulneenan76

booyaka wrote:

What size of C456 are you looking for? I'm likely to be upgrading my c456 frame (large 20") shortly to a FS so frame will be up for sale.

Thanks Booyaka - but I'm the wrong side of 6ft so it's 18" frame for me.

Why have you decided to change? What you got in mind for your full-Suss?

booyaka

No particular reason to change - C456 is a great frame but fancy giving some enduro's a go this year, and whilst the c456 is a great bike, I would happily keep it, it's a one bike rule in my house from the missus!!

It's a great frame at a steal of a price even new - you won't go wrong with it!

paulneenan76

booyaka wrote:

No particular reason to change - C456 is a great frame but fancy giving some enduro's a go this year, and whilst the c456 is a great bike, I would happily keep it, it's a one bike rule in my house from the missus!!

It's a great frame at a steal of a price even new - you won't go wrong with it!

My missus has the same rule. She also has the; how much did that cost, why do you need that, what's wrong with what you got, why do you keep falling off, phrase book!!

Yeah I'm desperate for one. At £499 there a bargain but the fact they always drop the price means I'm having to patiently wait for the next on one sale.
Good luck with the enduro.

paulneenan76

Ok so it's finally done. Had a few teething problems along the way but nothing major. Thanks to Alex, Richard, James and Stuart at Roy Pinks Cycles of Newport Pagnell for all their help - great as always. There is/will be a full build thread linked in the 456 owners thread if you're interested.


Paul

PS - This is quite close to my budget but went over by paying for the unexpected (bearings in 4month old hubs etc). I could have done this frame swop for under £500 all in but wanted the little extras. If it was for a winter hack/2nd bike, I would have scrimped. Either way, I love it.

Cheers