I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

jairaj

If you must buy a new wheelset then I wouldn't say any of the options where flimsy at all. So unless you're a particularly heavy rider or plan to do large jumps and drops I'd go for the lighter set.

But I'd also take the beginner's advice, re-use your current wheels and go for a significant improvement some time later on.

The Rookie

If your going to buy new, then Superleggera's for sure on a carbon 456, silly to have relatively heavy wheels on that!

paulneenan76

£15o is max. I've budgeted £150 and also it's easier to get past procurement (I mean the fiancé) ;7)
Lighter is great and fits in with the c456 build, and they sound robust enough (but I don't do any big drops or silly stuff )
So the Superleggera's it is - unless anyone can suggest similar quality from another seller?

paulneenan76

Ok I may be being a complete idiot but there seemed to be no fitment options on the Superleggera's? So are these going to fit my needs - 9mm qr / 10mm qr 6 bolt?

Going for gold hubs. Black everything else with C456 build in mind

paulneenan76

Sorry to be a pain but could anyone confirm the Superleggera's on offer at superstar are 9mm qr. 10mm qr and fit 6 bolt?

I had an email back from superstar but I think they were going home as it was just blurb about, well, crap really.

Please help as I need to get them ordered

Many thanks

The Rookie

"NOTE: This wheelset is QR only and not convertable to other systems."!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes stnd 6 bolt disc fitment.

paulneenan76

Thanks the Beginner. Maybe I should change username to "The complete novice"
I am a check, check double check and then check again kind of person. I know it's not big money for wheelset but having to send them back will raise the suspicions of the missus
I'll get them ordered today then. Can't wait.

Hopefully the black on gold hubs will be a nice combo when matched to the On One C456!

Thanks
Paul

The Rookie

They'll look great.... £150 is a lot for a wheelset to me, the most I've paid is £90......

paulneenan76

Ordered - black all round with Gold hubs! Can't wait for their arrival :^)

Running schrader tubes currently so they might not fit if drilled for prestas?
Is putting rotors and cassette on this new set a bit much for a newbie?

70\ʹspenguin

paulneenan76 wrote:

Ordered - black all round with Gold hubs! Can't wait for their arrival :^)

Running schrader tubes currently so they might not fit if drilled for prestas?
Is putting rotors and cassette on this new set a bit much for a newbie?

Do not drill the rims! Just get new tubes! Cheap as chips for a pack of 5.

You will need a specific star alen key for the rotors and a specific cassette removal tool and chainwhip too. Incredibly simple jobs. Id advise buying a little tool set rather than LBS because the tools will pay for themselves before you know it.

Time.to.ride

Hey Defo the above wheel set for cheapness and fairly good quality, although the lightweight option is a serious option too.
I am going ot have this prob with my P7 am deciding to go for a new frame option and i was looking at a carbon 456 as they seem to be a lovely frame although was looking at the maxlight frames could get a good quality light alloy one with a carbon rear end for £450 but not sure what they are like for frames??

{Ps agree with Supersonic on the fork notion too wold be a wise move

supersonic

The carbon/alloy frames have fallen out of fashion, as are heavier than need to be really and don't always provide any benefits. A nice thin alloy or carbon tube for a stay, rather than a re enforced and bonded hybrid tube, usually works better!

paulneenan76

Yes I'll have to weigh up long term gain for short term cost when it comes to buying tools job specific tools. Also my friendly LBS often does supervised work which he doesn't really charge for (this is a mate who started the local ride club) - I guess if he shows us how to do certain things, the less time he spends doing trail side repairs on our bikes

Yes the plan is to get a more complimentary set of forks after the frame swap to the c456. But it's going to have to be a gradual build - well, fairly gradual.

I looked at a few different frames which I'm sure are great but were outside my budget. 456 and carbon 456 are no-brainers for me.

paulneenan76

So the wheelset arrived from superstar today - great speedy device and awesome Haribo!
I'll post some pics when I can.

I do have a problem though - I take it I need to buy the skewers?
I Didn't see any in the box and my old ones are a bit naff and beaten/cheap looking. Stupid of me maybe but it didn't dawn on me they wouldn't be included? I guess this gives me a chance to specify colour at least!

Live n learn I suppose :^)

jairaj

Some wheel sets come with skewers some don't, you need to check before hand.

If you're looking to get new skewers I can highly recommend any of the Shimano ones. The closed cam design are by far the best skewers I've used.

paulneenan76

Thanks Jairaj. I'll give superstar a call as I'm away from home a couple of days and won't be able to check whether there's any hidden in the bottom of the box.

I take it QR skewers are pretty much standard in terms of fit and length? I understand that some might be better than others in terms of reliability and stability, and of course, value for money.

Thanks

The Rookie

MTB skewer's are different at the rear to Road, otherwise yes, standard.

Get Shimano Deore, I have an XT and it weighs the same as the Deore anyway (May be different year), Skewers are the only place I keep my Weight Weenie tendancies in check, I have lots of lighter external style but stick with Shimano.

paulneenan76

Well, All arrived safely from superstar, and; along with my new SRAM X7 rear derailleur, new slime tubes and Panaracer xc fire pro's, is now at Roy Pink's Cycles of Newport Pagnell to be fitted. I know that having an LBS do this is not best use of money which could saved for the C456, but it's easier, less of my time (which I'm short of) and less costly to sort when I cock it up.

Will post a photo when all home!

Thanks...

paulneenan76

All done, all fitted. Will be bringing home tomorrow when I'll up-load some pics. But the difference these superstar Superleggera's have made is huge.

OH NO!! On One have upped the price of the carbon 456 back to its original £499 from £399!!!!! Having missed out on the recent £299 offer, i cant justify that outlay.

what is On One doing to me :^(

jairaj

Just wait a few more weeks and they'll prob have them back on sale. On One prices are like the stock market; all ways going up and down.

paulneenan76

jairaj wrote:

Just wait a few more weeks and they'll prob have them back on sale. On One prices are like the stock market; all ways going up and down.

Let's hope so. I'm gagging for this frame now and can't justify 500 notes at this time of year.

Cheers

Paul

The Rookie

They have to put it up now so they can 'reduce' it for the end of season sale.....

paulneenan76

The Beginner wrote:

They have to put it up now so they can 'reduce' it for the end of season sale.....

I like your thinking "the beginner". Card is waiting to be spanked as soon as the price drops .

In the mean time I guess I'll look out for some of the parts I will need which won't port over.

Oh and some forks - Revs or Sektors?

paulneenan76

I just got back from my normal "Lumens Loonies" Thursday night group ride and the new wheelset has definitely improved the bike. With the Panaracer xc fires, it feels so much lighter, responsive and flows better - let alone the cool free hub noise and quicker pick up. The new bottom bracket has helped immensely and the new x7 rear mech along with a gear overhaul and sonic clean from Roy Pinks cycles has made me even more itching for the C456. Don't get me wrong, my Kraken frame doesn't let me down but something lighter, cooler and with the ability to become a trail monster is a priority.

The only negative? We did the Woburn trails tonight looped with lots of bridleway and the rainy conditions meant my bike went from bloody gleaming to caked in pooh in minutes still, getting it dirty was FUN!!

Cheers

Paul.

felix.london

paulneenan76 wrote:

new slime tubes

paulneenan76 wrote:

it feels so much lighter

It would feel even lighter with some normal tubes in...those things weigh a ton!

paulneenan76

felix.london wrote:

paulneenan76 wrote:

new slime tubes

paulneenan76 wrote:

it feels so much lighter

It would feel even lighter with some normal tubes in...those things weigh a ton!

You are most definitely right about the wait of slime, however, it's thorn bush trimming time and regardless of what tyres and what pressure you run, you will get multiple punctures in one night - 3 fixes is max I've had, but that's with 10-12 thorns lol. It's thorny round here.

felix.london

sounds like a nightmare!

The Rookie

Slime tubes can be a thorny subject........

The Rookie

On-one now have
456Carbon at £499
Whippets at £249 for a 20" in yellow, £349 for 16in red/white, now or other sizes at end of this month, also undecalled.......

paulneenan76

The Beginner wrote:

On-one now have
456Carbon at £499
Whippets at £249 for a 20" in yellow, £349 for 16in red/white, now or other sizes at end of this month, also undecalled.......

I have my heart set on an 18" 456 black matte with grey decals. I have the complete build sorted in my head now (black n gold like my wheelset). I'm undecided on forks though??