Guiding prices
rob39
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Hi all
A local estate who have natural trails varying in difficulty, have asked me if I would think about providing some MTB guiding within their grounds for families and more experienced MTB tourists, over the weekends. Unfortunately they are quite new to this as I am and they have asked me to look into what charges they could apply without alienating themselves from the market. Anyone have any idea what I could expect to charge for myself for leading individuals and groups???
A local estate who have natural trails varying in difficulty, have asked me if I would think about providing some MTB guiding within their grounds for families and more experienced MTB tourists, over the weekends. Unfortunately they are quite new to this as I am and they have asked me to look into what charges they could apply without alienating themselves from the market. Anyone have any idea what I could expect to charge for myself for leading individuals and groups???
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Do you have any qualifications for it, first aid training, mtb leader training, etc?0
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And depends on the trails. Whether they need a guide. Not many do.I don't do smileys.
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Private estate I take it?
It's going to come down to what people are prepared to pay, but if it's some posh place that attracts rich folk to stay there with loads of money and bike stuff is a bonus bit to them then they may pay up a decent amount to get someone to show them round. If it's a dedicated thing for people on bikes to go on holiday there they may be looking for cheap lodging and pay little or nothing to ride there, maybe hire a bike etc. Kind of a Centre Parcs thing.
But yeah, if it's formal stuff, quals, training, insurance and all that have to be covered. The cost of these go in your fees.0 -
Is there a law that says you have to have mtb guiding/first aid quals to do this sort of thing? I doubt it. But the estate will have public liability insurance which will most probably lead onto needing quals/training for the insurance to cover your activities.
How is this going to work? Are they going to employ you or will you contract to them/be self employed? Also remember in mind that regardless of how much it costs in other places you need to make sure it's worth your while, because you'll have costs such as bike wear and tear etc.0 -
Yea private estate but geared toward the general public and not the toffs. Trail wise there are some long distance natural trails (some quite faint) which takes you into the backend of the middle of no where over moor and forestry and the potential of getting lost is high. More family otientated trails in and around the estate with basic features to give them a taste of what the wild trails have to offer (basic rocky trails, drop offs and technical climbs/descents with easy options). I seeing the oportunity for offering training days now the more I look at it.
Going to be mainly weekends and evenings and self employed with the estate taking there cut
Training wise no formal training but years of experience and I have led groups before. (at the moment you don't require any formal training but I suppose it does look more professional if there is a qualification. This is what I'm aiming for over the next 12 months. I have a first aid certificate pluse I'm a nurse so thats covered.)0 -
Might be more than 'look professional' when you lose a couple of kids over a rocky drop. You might get your posterior sued.
Can't see the estate letting you do it without insurance.I don't do smileys.
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Parktools0 -
rob39 wrote:. . . some long distance natural trails (some quite faint) which takes you into the backend of the middle of no where over moor and forestry and the potential of getting lost is high.
. . .basic rocky trails, drop offs and technical climbs/descents . . .
What CoolDad said ^^
What you're describing might be described as, "the defendant then asked my client to ride his bike over a sheer drop", for which some considerable amount of public liability insurance would come in handySpecialized Roubaix Elite 2015
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Assuming the trails are half decent, and you advertise it well then it could be good. Can't see it bringing in much more than pocket money for you though. Skills sessions could work well too if you can get a good reputation going.
Insurance? No one has insurance for when you ride over Llandegla or Cannock, Surely a simple 'own risk' disclaimer applies here?
Whats the length of the trails you're talking about?0 -
danlightbulb wrote:Insurance? No one has insurance for when you ride over Llandegla or Cannock, Surely a simple 'own risk' disclaimer applies here?
The Forestry Commission (Cannock owners) doesn't have Public Liability Insurance.. don't know about Llandegla... so for individuals it's at you own risk
However if you're an MTB guide/coach (qualified or not) then PL insurance would be wise.0 -
Especially as you would, for all intents and purposes, be a representative of the private estate. If they didn't insist on it they'd be pallookas*
*Legal term for morons.I don't do smileys.
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Parktools0 -
No quals are required but insurance related to the activity are a must (quite possibly legal- it is for other activities) How it gets done is up to you ie estate or you pay. Insurance is easy to sort if you have quals.
As for price, well you charge what you think people will pay, making sure your outgoings are less than your income!
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Delved a bit more deeper into what they want to achieve etc and spoke to a large number of fellow MTB in this area,and it aint worth it, leaving well alone.
many thanks for all the sound advice.0
