Deda or 3T

MattC59

Well, I'm getting closer to ordering my Enigma Esprit, http://enigmabikes.com/bike/bike-enigma-esprit.html, but I'm somewhat torn on some of the kit (but leaning towards the Deda):

So, do I go for:

Deda ?
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/deda-superzero-white-seat-post/
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/deda-zero100-servizio-corse-white-road-stem/

3T
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=55186
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=55187

with these bars:
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=55185

or something else ?

I was thinking Easton perhaps. Input is welcome.

Cheers.............. Matt

ShutUpLegs

The new 3T stealth stuff may look ok

MattC59

Forgot to mention; the polished frame won't be particularly 'stealth'

napoleond

I'm a big fan of Deda stuff, particularly the RHM bars. I currently use a 3T stem, Deda Zero100 bars and Fizik Cyrano post though!!

But yes, I'd say Deda...

ShutUpLegs

MattC59 wrote:

Forgot to mention; the polished frame won't be particularly 'stealth'

No, but the contrast may focus the eye on the frame

MattC59

ShutUpLegs wrote:

MattC59 wrote:

Forgot to mention; the polished frame won't be particularly 'stealth'

No, but the contrast may focus the eye on the frame

I like your thinking !

ajb72

I'm torn here because I run the alloy version of these bars with the matt black finish arx stem. I love them and the 3T stuff is well made. You will not regret that choice of bars. Also - no way you can mix and match the stem and bars make - got to stick to one brand if possible!

The reason I am torn is because I had a similar 3T seatpost on my old Cervelo and it was a right game to adjust, possibly the most awkward seatpost ever created! Once adjusted correctly it's fine of course, you can just forget about it. Getting it just right was an awful lot of trial and error though. It does flex quite a bit too, adding a huge amount to the comfort of my ride. If you are particularly heavy or want a stiff seatpost you might want to think again.

Wheelspinner

Deda and 3T both lovely, and I quite like the Ritchey carbon parts as well... but I voted other for these:







Have seen the stem and seatpost in an LBS here.... finish is just superb. I'm not normally a big fan of the matte finish carbon stuff, but these parts look and feel delicious.

styxd

What about Zipp? Ive recently got their Zervice Course SL seatpost, seems decent, nice solid clamp anyway. Looks classy in gloss black, the stems look alrite too

napoleond

The Zipp stuff looks pretty good.

The ends of the Enve bars look somewhat phallic...

majormantra

I'm a big fan of 3T stems but I think the seatposts are a bit crap. The Dorico I had looked good but was a pain to adjust. It also has quite widely spaced clamp thingies which meant I couldn't get my saddle far enough forward, so I ended up selling it.

The 3T Palladio looks potentially interesting but it's quite restrictive about saddle rails and given my previous negative experience I'm reluctant to risk my cash.

The other point I'd make is that most of that white kit looks fairly cheesy IMO, the Deda post especially.

napoleond

MajorMantra wrote:

I'm a big fan of 3T stems but I think the seatposts are a bit crap. The Dorico I had looked good but was a pain to adjust. It also has quite widely spaced clamp thingies which meant I couldn't get my saddle far enough forward, so I ended up selling it.

The 3T Palladio looks potentially interesting but it's quite restrictive about saddle rails and given my previous negative experience I'm reluctant to risk my cash.

The other point I'd make is that most of that white kit looks fairly cheesy IMO, the Deda post especially.

The 3T Dorico seatpost is indeed sh!te. Mine's sitting in a box of jumble in my garage.

Hence I'm using a Fizik Cyrano Carbon, the clamp/adjustment is just sooooo much better (in fact, better than owt else I've tried).

If going Deda, defo go black...

MattC59

Well that's thrown a spanner in the works

I was considering the Deda in white as I'm considering having a polished frame with white detailing, but that's not finalised yet. Thee Zipp stuff does indeed look lovely, as doees the Enve, but I don't think I've seen the Enve stuff for less than £180 for each item and the bars are considerably more. (My budget is very quickly running away from me !!)

The next question, is cranks................
Not that keen on the shape of the Ultegra or DA cranks, ie I don't know as they'll look quite right with the frame. Any thoughts ? I'd considered the Fulcrum RS http://www.wiggle.co.uk/fulcrum-racing-r-torq-rs-chainset/.

Cheers............ M

racingcondor

I use Deda Zero100 on both bikes (SuperZero seat posts) and really like it (2 bikes 1 with black finishing kit the other white). I would consider the 3T ErgoNova though as a similar bar.

I have noticed that the white stem and bars are getting a tan though, they are definitely more cream than white these days (2 years old).

styxd

Full gloss black stuff would look nice. Zipp SL stem and post and SRAM Rival cranks? Or some campags?

napoleond

Rotor cranks are excellent...
I prefer my 3D+ over my SRAM Red.

You could always go left field with a Tune crank/BB combo!

MattC59

NapoleonD wrote:

Rotor cranks are excellent...
I prefer my 3D+ over my SRAM Red.

You could always go left field with a Tune crank/BB combo!

I had a look at the Rotor cranks, the Agilis look very nice. The tune look nice too, do they run on a square taper BB ? Don't tell me I'd have to splash out on a Royce BB ? :roll:

(as I said, the budget seems to be running away from me !! )

napoleond

As well as ST, Tune also do a proprietary 'six pack' bb/crank which is reputedly bl00dy excellent...

MattC59

The Tune Fastfoot crank and Sixpack BB do look nice. Stiff and very light, they might be one for the short list

LangerDan

MattC59 wrote:

The Tune Fastfoot crank and Sixpack BB do look nice. Stiff and very light, they might be one for the short list

Over the past few years, Fair Wheel Bikes have been running crank tests where, among other things, they've measured the crank deflections for a given load. The Tune doesn't score very highly for stiffness and isn't particularly light either.

Link here

napoleond

To be fair , an enigma ti frame isn't particularly light or stiff. It's not the be all and end all...

MattC59

I was going to say, as I don't race, and have no intention to, I don't think I'll particularly notice.

jonomc4

I am different from others here - I went for the Zipp Service Course SL (handlebar and stem) - Alloy but lighter and stiffer than most carbon equivalents - got to say I am really happy with the choice - it is rock solid and so light. For a seatpost I used the money I saved buy the Zipp stuff to buy the Ritchey pro logic carbon stem, which once you have it set right is very light - though you need to put a lot of strength into the tightening of the one bolt system for it to hold still I haven't had it long enough to give a true opinion.

As for cranks I went for the Sram Red/Black BB30 cranks - all I know is, where my feet and hands go - there are no wobbles!

Ber Nard

How about a Thomson stem and seat post? I think they'd look nice against a polished frame. They look pretty understated too, which would help set off the Enigma frame.

Rob

noiseboyfeetman

Originally I voted 3T, but after today's failed ride i'm changing my mind to Deda. My 3T Palladio seat post snapped right in half on me this morning whilst descending at some speed. Those people doing the Hampshire Hilly Hundred today probably thought to themselves "that fella wants to raise his saddle a bit" and how I wish I could!

majormantra

Nasty! Was it the main shaft that broke? Which version?

noiseboyfeetman

MajorMantra wrote:

Nasty! Was it the main shaft that broke? Which version?

Palladio Pro.....

majormantra

Damn - don't see many broke alu seatposts. (Or carbon these days, for that matter.)

Any clue as to why it went?

noiseboyfeetman

MajorMantra wrote:

Damn - don't see many broke alu seatposts. (Or carbon these days, for that matter.)

Any clue as to why it went?

I think it went because I was out for my usual Sunday ride when I stumbled across the Hampshire Hilly Hundred route and decided to follow the signs for a while, a family cheered me on in Owslebury thinking I was part of it, then 5 minutes later the post snapped. Apart from that I can think of no reason why it went!

majormantra

noiseboyfeetman wrote:

MajorMantra wrote:

Damn - don't see many broke alu seatposts. (Or carbon these days, for that matter.)

Any clue as to why it went?

I think it went because I was out for my usual Sunday ride when I stumbled across the Hampshire Hilly Hundred route and decided to follow the signs for a while, a family cheered me on in Owslebury thinking I was part of it, then 5 minutes later the post snapped. Apart from that I can think of no reason why it went!

For an alu post to fail like I would have thought that either it must have suffered corrosion or some kind of damage must have caused a stress riser that led to fracture. It is odd though.

noiseboyfeetman

MajorMantra wrote:

noiseboyfeetman wrote:

MajorMantra wrote:

Damn - don't see many broke alu seatposts. (Or carbon these days, for that matter.)

Any clue as to why it went?

I think it went because I was out for my usual Sunday ride when I stumbled across the Hampshire Hilly Hundred route and decided to follow the signs for a while, a family cheered me on in Owslebury thinking I was part of it, then 5 minutes later the post snapped. Apart from that I can think of no reason why it went!

For an alu post to fail like I would have thought that either it must have suffered corrosion or some kind of damage must have caused a stress riser that led to fracture. It is odd though.

Indeed. Apparently 3T products have a 2 year warranty so I shall see what the shop has to say on Monday as its only just over a year old.