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Rick Chasey wrote:Evans was more exciting because it was unexpected at the time.
He had barely won anything of note before that.
It was the beginning of the new Evans.
He won it wearing the rainbow jersey, think the cat was out of the bag by that point as to Evan's true potential."I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
inkyfingers wrote:On the subject of Andy Schleck, he is an attacking rider when he wants to be but I think what grates is that he only ever shows it for one week in April and for three weeks in July. He just doesn't seem to give a monkey's about any other races, even the more prestigious ones. If you compare him against the other TDF contenders for this year (Evans, Menchov, Wiggins etc) they have all won other "big" stage races as well, whereas Andy has never really tried to win any of them (with the exception of the 2007 Giro). He can only live off that fantastic LBL win for so long.
He's the only rider who can take it to Contador in the mountains.
He's more of a Bruyneel style of 10 years ago. That's how they did it in the early '00s.
The only reason Contador pops up everywhere is because he keeps getting banned. Ban free he'll do Paris Nice and then nothing of note untill the Dauphine and the Tour. Then he calls it a day once he's won.0 -
inkyfingers wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Evans was more exciting because it was unexpected at the time.
He had barely won anything of note before that.
It was the beginning of the new Evans.
He won it wearing the rainbow jersey, think the cat was out of the bag by that point as to Evan's true potential.
Did he? I'm totally getting it mixed up then.
Move along, nothing to see here.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:inkyfingers wrote:On the subject of Andy Schleck, he is an attacking rider when he wants to be but I think what grates is that he only ever shows it for one week in April and for three weeks in July. He just doesn't seem to give a monkey's about any other races, even the more prestigious ones. If you compare him against the other TDF contenders for this year (Evans, Menchov, Wiggins etc) they have all won other "big" stage races as well, whereas Andy has never really tried to win any of them (with the exception of the 2007 Giro). He can only live off that fantastic LBL win for so long.
He's the only rider who can take it to Contador in the mountains.
He's more of a Bruyneel style of 10 years ago. That's how they did it in the early '00s.
The only reason Contador pops up everywhere is because he keeps getting banned. Ban free he'll do Paris Nice and then nothing of note untill the Dauphine and the Tour. Then he calls it a day once he's won.
Never thought i'd defend Bertie, but if you look at his record he has normally turned up at the Tour with two or three good stage race wins under his belt, though admittedly he does normally go into hibernation after the Tour (as we all know, he only bothered with the Vuelta because Astana were barred from the Tour). He's certainly used to "race" more days in a season that Schleck has ever done.
Andy's a fabulous climber, I just think it's a shame we see so little of it. Your comparison to Bruyneel and Armstrong is spot on, Tour or bust."I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Evans was more exciting because it was unexpected at the time.
He had barely won anything of note before that.
It was the beginning of the new Evans.
J-Rod and Gilbert were favourite.
It's basically Ghent Wevelgem for puncheurs.
Wait, so a guy who finished 2nd in a previous edition of FW was a surprise winner?
I think with Evans there was a lot of "he doesn''t attack, he doesn't win" stuff which was just untrue.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Evans was more exciting because it was unexpected at the time.
He had barely won anything of note before that.
It was the beginning of the new Evans.
J-Rod and Gilbert were favourite.
It's basically Ghent Wevelgem for puncheurs.
Wait, so a guy who finished 2nd in a previous edition of FW was a surprise winner?
I think with Evans there was a lot of "he doesn''t attack, he doesn't win" stuff which was just untrue.
He definitely wheel sucked more than he does now. A lot more. He was almost as bad as Leipheimer.
Whether that's due to a slower peloton or whatever is irrelevant.
I remember being surprised when he won.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:inkyfingers wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Evans was more exciting because it was unexpected at the time.
He had barely won anything of note before that.
It was the beginning of the new Evans.
He won it wearing the rainbow jersey, think the cat was out of the bag by that point as to Evan's true potential.
Did he? I'm totally getting it mixed up then.
Move along, nothing to see here.
Rick, you seem to struggle in the mornings. Are you not getting enough sleep or not eating a good, healthy breakfast, i'm genuinely concerned.
"I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
inkyfingers wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:inkyfingers wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Evans was more exciting because it was unexpected at the time.
He had barely won anything of note before that.
It was the beginning of the new Evans.
He won it wearing the rainbow jersey, think the cat was out of the bag by that point as to Evan's true potential.
Did he? I'm totally getting it mixed up then.
Move along, nothing to see here.
Rick, you seem to struggle in the mornings. Are you not getting enough sleep or not eating a good, healthy breakfast, i'm genuinely concerned.
I've actually got work to do... for a change! (am working Asia innit).0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:inkyfingers wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:inkyfingers wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Evans was more exciting because it was unexpected at the time.
He had barely won anything of note before that.
It was the beginning of the new Evans.
He won it wearing the rainbow jersey, think the cat was out of the bag by that point as to Evan's true potential.
Did he? I'm totally getting it mixed up then.
Move along, nothing to see here.
Rick, you seem to struggle in the mornings. Are you not getting enough sleep or not eating a good, healthy breakfast, i'm genuinely concerned.
I've actually got work to do... for a change! (am working Asia innit).
So have I, am just working myself into it..."I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
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Rick Chasey wrote:He definitely wheel sucked more than he does now. A lot more. He was almost as bad as Leipheimer.
Whether that's due to a slower peloton or whatever is irrelevant.
I remember being surprised when he won.
You do know there is a difference between wheelsucking and hanging on? It normally at the finish where you see the difference, the wheelsucker will usually sprint past everyone else to win the race/stage. Don't remember Evans winning a huge number of races in the past.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:The only reason Contador pops up everywhere is because he keeps getting banned. Ban free he'll do Paris Nice and then nothing of note untill the Dauphine and the Tour. Then he calls it a day once he's won.
Wrong, check his palmares. The only reason you don't know is because you are selective in what you watch. Week long stages he has a ton. FW he rode twice. LBL also.
I don't have to provide more in depth about Contador as he is a Certified Heavyweight, attacking and winning rider; consistently.
Evans you are thinking of is about 4 years old. Before then he couldn't compete as he was a clean rider up against a field of dopers. He did very well considering.Contador is the Greatest0 -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadel_Evan ... highlights
Pretty impressive huh, over a long long period.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Woah.
Hate on Rick morning.
FF - Contador's ideal season goes like this. Win Paris-Nice. Token showing in Fleche and LBL, ideally top 10 - maybe keep Vino/other teammate happy by helping him out. Strongish effort in the Dauphine - Win the Tour. Hibernate till Paris-Nice. Maybe a Tour of Catalunya thrown in if he's not in form.
Anything else he races is mickey mouse or he doesn't care.
Now for sure, Contador keeps in better condition through the season than Schleck, so he's often in better race winning form, but he only really cares about stage races that either start or finish in Paris.
The rest he's done, Giro, Vuelta, etc - were done because he was fighting the doping forces.
Now greased - you're right, he was always hanging on. That's still DUUUULL.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Anything else he races is mickey mouse or he doesn't care.
He is a specialist stage racer and has a palmares of those from low to the very best.
The Giro is Heavyweight.
The Vuelta is Heavyweight.
Disregarding those is silly.
He loves the Giro especially.
He always enters races to win. Never soft tap. That is why he is great, that is why the fans love him.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Woah.
Hate on Rick morning.
Just ban everyone! Go on, you have the power!Rick Chasey wrote:Now greased - you're right, he was always hanging on. That's still DUUUULL.
Yeah, defo! But then it's OK, that's not how he rides now.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Woah.
Hate on Rick morning.
What do you expect? You're 'The Man' now. The establishment. A grubby little moderater who's sold out to the internet police. Darth Chasey.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Hanging on to such illustrious coat tails as Lance Armstrong, Floyd Landis, Jan Ulrich..? Damn right he did well just to hang on! Did anyone clean have a chance against a Blue Train that we know now was running on EPO? (even if it's driver "wasnt" :roll: ). Evans has nt changed, the people (and the repective hematocrit levels) he's riding against have changed. Good on him - he's a bit of a funny charachter but that does nt mean he' boring!
Rick - i think you re taking iains chart to seriously- Remember he's a man who hates cycling and watches it as a unique form of self-harm!We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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RichN95 wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Woah.
Hate on Rick morning.
What do you expect? You're 'The Man' now. The establishment. A grubby little moderater who's sold out to the internet police. Darth Chasey.
It's administrator to you Mr.0 -
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RichN95 wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Woah.
Hate on Rick morning.
What do you expect? You're 'The Man' now. The establishment. A grubby little moderater who's sold out to the internet police. Darth Chasey.
You say that now. Wait until Bike Radar, Episode V, "The UCI Strikes Back" and it turns out he's your father.'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
Bicycle racing is a sport of patience. Racing is licking your opponent’s place clean before starting on your own.
After one kilometer, a minuscule rider with a lack rag-mop attacks: Despuech. Baloney. This race lasts 140 kilometers. Despuech is crazy. He is only showing us that he doesn’t stand a chance in hell. He knows it too, but still it’s a fact: he has to choose between finishing at the back after shining, or finishing at the back after not having shone at all.
Every once in a while someone along the road lets us know how far behind we are. A man shouts: ‘Faster!’ He probably thinks bicycle racing is about going fast.
Every time I take a pull up front, I feel it: I’m strong today. So what if I attack right here? Then my chances would be reduced. Correct.
From Tim Krabbe's 'The Rider'
Don't necessarily agree with all this but it is a great book and you should read it if you haven't.Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:
Evans you are thinking of is about 4 years old. Before then he couldn't compete as he was a clean rider up against a field of dopers. He did very well considering.
So is that you admitting that Contador doped?"I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
Oh and by the way, Darth Chasey made me laugh out loud in the office."I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0
