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davieseedaviesee Posts: 6,386
edited July 2012 in Road buying advice
Current set up is silver Campagnolo Scirocco wheels on a Colnago Master.

Problem is that they are 4 years old and running out of life.
Simple enough you would think but I am of the opinion that only silver wheels will match the chrome of the Master.
Have you tried to find silver wheels these days? Or hubs?

I am looking for combination suggestions to research. Factory built or hand built, both are fine by me.

Ideally I would have went for Mavic Open Pros on Record hubs using DT Swiss spokes but that option is not available in silver.

Anyone with suggestions?
Yes. It is a vanity bike :wink:
None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
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  • BobbinogsBobbinogs Posts: 4,841
    Why not go for old school on fleabay? I recently had some fantastic wheels made up using some Campag Veloce hubs from about 2000 that are so minty fresh that I regularly expect to find a white bear sat on top. Spokes were DT Swiss Competition, as recommended by Ugo, and they are very nice too. The wheels cost a total of £200 for the pair!

    I did look around for some different rims (viewtopic.php?p=17208576) but ended up settling for Open Pro for the 32/32 Veloce hubs this time around but will go for some IRD Cadence for the Record hubs (28/36 combo, which Mavic don't do) I have that need to be rebuilt later this year.
  • deswellerdesweller Posts: 5,175
    If the hubs are OK then you could get them rebuilt onto new rims?
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  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 28,045
    PM sent.

    A master demands traditional wheels, it looks odd with modern radial builds
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  • davieseedaviesee Posts: 6,386
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    PM sent.

    A master demands traditional wheels, it looks odd with modern radial builds

    Good point!
    PM on it's way.
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • davieseedaviesee Posts: 6,386
    DesWeller wrote:
    If the hubs are OK then you could get them rebuilt onto new rims?
    Front hub bearings are shot (pothole damage?) and not worth fixing.
    Rear rim was very out of true. I have straightened it but fear that some spokes are over tensioned.
    Also, 4 years & @ 10k miles out of a set of "budget" wheels isn't too bad. :P
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  • deswellerdesweller Posts: 5,175
    What's your budget?

    There's nothing that forumites love more than engaging in vicarious vanity purchases, is there.
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  • davieseedaviesee Posts: 6,386
    DesWeller wrote:
    What's your budget?

    There's nothing that forumites love more than engaging in vicarious vanity purchases, is there.
    I would probably have to start having doubts upwards of £600 :P
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 28,045
    As I said, for your bike, only hand builds... 28 spokes if you want them light, 32 for a sturdier build... There is no other option.

    Campagnolo hubs in silver might still be possible to find, but not the new record
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  • billreaybillreay Posts: 26
    How about Mavic Open Pros, DT Swiss spokes and Royce hubs. Should be around £600 and will last a long, long time.
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 28,045
    billreay wrote:
    How about Mavic Open Pros, DT Swiss spokes and Royce hubs. Should be around £600 and will last a long, long time.

    Pretty, but largely overpriced.... A set of ambrosio zenith (novatec) hubs will last almost as long at a fraction of the cost. Besides, I am not sure Royce does light options... Buying British is ok, but I do not see all this engineering quality in a Royce hub to justify the price tag.
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  • thegreatdividethegreatdivide Posts: 5,798
    Just bought a pair of Mavic Open Pro CD rims, silver ACI spokes and Ambrosio Zenith hubs for my Master build. They look great.
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 28,045
    Good choice... Just built a set of open pro on novatec. The 2012 open pro look much improved over the older ones... Mavic strikes back...
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  • deswellerdesweller Posts: 5,175
    Everyone's got Open Pros.

    How about IRD Cadence rims on American Classic hubs? That should consume a fair portion of your budget :D.
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  • davieseedaviesee Posts: 6,386
    DesWeller wrote:
    Everyone's got Open Pros.

    How about IRD Cadence rims on American Classic hubs? That should consume a fair portion of your budget :D.
    I hear where you are coming from.
    Two problems though.......
    There may be a reason that everyone has Open Pros. :wink:
    American Classic hubs on an Italian steel frame running Campagnolo? :?:

    I do like lateral thinking though :lol:
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  • APIIIAPIII Posts: 2,010
    I've been considering the same thing for an upcoming steel build. I will probably go for either Velocity A23's or another set of aeroheads in silver and Royce hubs. I don't think I want to stretch to Chris King hubs, and it seems as though Phil Wood only do Shimano compatible hubs. I have a set of Ambrosio nemesis tubs with record hubs that are lovely and may just use them if they suit the build.
  • deswellerdesweller Posts: 5,175
    daviesee wrote:
    DesWeller wrote:
    Everyone's got Open Pros.

    How about IRD Cadence rims on American Classic hubs? That should consume a fair portion of your budget :D.
    I hear where you are coming from.
    Two problems though.......
    There may be a reason that everyone has Open Pros. :wink:They are SHEEPLES!!! That's why :D.
    American Classic hubs on an Italian steel frame running Campagnolo? :?: S'pose. Traditionalist. They are allegedly very light and very smooth though, although as they're well outside my budget I can't comment from experience.

    I do like lateral thinking though :lol:
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  • davieseedaviesee Posts: 6,386
    Well,
    After speaking to Big Al I have narrowed it down, and added more questions.

    Keeping the bike Italian would mean going for Ambrosio.
    Excellence rims for my weight and road surfaces.
    Ambrosio hubs would obviously match.*

    Spokes? DT Swiss would probably be a default choice but are Saipem worth the premium.

    *It is a vanity bike being upgraded when replacements are required to end up with a dream bike.
    My budget is higher but then Royce are not Italian and need expensive locknuts for Campagnolo 11 speed.

    Stay Italian, save money and possibly have regrets. :?:
    Possibly upgrade but move away from Italian and spend more cash. :?:

    Comments?
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • huuregeilhuuregeil Posts: 780
    Bear in mind that Ambrosio hubs are not Italian, they're just rebadged taiwanese. For Italian, you want silver PMP hubs, will look super with that build. Far better quality than the ambrosios too, and not as expensive as Royce.
  • davieseedaviesee Posts: 6,386
    huuregeil wrote:
    Bear in mind that Ambrosio hubs are not Italian, they're just rebadged taiwanese. For Italian, you want silver PMP hubs, will look super with that build. Far better quality than the ambrosios too, and not as expensive as Royce.
    Good to know. Just what I was looking for.
    Unfortunately, I am more than aware that most of my "Italian" bike has Far East origins.
    It's just an illusion but it's keeping me happy :wink:
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • davieseedaviesee Posts: 6,386
    Well, the order is in.

    I finally settled on Ambrosio Excellence rims (32 & 32) due to my weight :oops:
    DT Swiss spokes & Royce hubs. All in silver.

    I can't wait to get them fitted but I have 2 weeks in Mallorca to tide me over :wink:
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 28,045
    daviesee wrote:
    Well, the order is in.

    I finally settled on Ambrosio Excellence rims (32 & 32) due to my weight :oops:
    DT Swiss spokes & Royce hubs. All in silver.

    I can't wait to get them fitted but I have 2 weeks in Mallorca to tide me over :wink:

    Very good choice... Ambrosio Excellence is the best all round rim and it doesn't feel heavy at all. These days I prefer to use ACI DB to DT Swiss, much cheaper, equally good and a touch lighter than DT Comp.
    Remove the Excellence sticker, the wheel looks much better without

    Enjoy them!
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  • davieseedaviesee Posts: 6,386
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Remove the Excellence sticker, the wheel looks much better without

    Enjoy them!
    That's what I did with the Campagnolo Scirocco labels :wink:
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 28,045
    daviesee wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Remove the Excellence sticker, the wheel looks much better without

    Enjoy them!
    That's what I did with the Campagnolo Scirocco labels :wink:

    You will find that fitting a tyre on an Ambrosio rim is a LOT easier than on the Sciroccos!
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  • davieseedaviesee Posts: 6,386
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    You will find that fitting a tyre on an Ambrosio rim is a LOT easier than on the Sciroccos!
    So I have been told. :P
    Makes the expense worthwhile already :wink:
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • thegreatdividethegreatdivide Posts: 5,798
    Pics when they’re fitted!

    FYI - I was helping a friend film the Scottish Bike Show at the weekend and we interviewed the infamous Derek Wheelsmith. He had a pair of Ambrosio Nemesis clinchers on his stand. I never knew they existed - I nearly cried. Looks like I’m going to have to save up for another pair of wheels for the Master :shock:

    Info on the front page http://www.wheelsmith.co.uk/
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 28,045
    thegreatdivide wrote:
    Pics when they’re fitted!

    FYI - I was helping a friend film the Scottish Bike Show at the weekend and we interviewed the infamous Derek Wheelsmith. He had a pair of Ambrosio Nemesis clinchers on his stand. I never knew they existed - I nearly cried. Looks like I’m going to have to save up for another pair of wheels for the Master :shock:

    Info on the front page http://www.wheelsmith.co.uk/

    he Escellence is a copy of the nemesis, so a nemesis clincher shouldn't be too dissimilar form an excellence...
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  • davieseedaviesee Posts: 6,386
    thegreatdivide wrote:
    Pics when they’re fitted!

    You asked.

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  • BobbinogsBobbinogs Posts: 4,841
    They look lovely and perfect for the bike. Good choice.
  • thegreatdividethegreatdivide Posts: 5,798
    Lovely! :-)

    I must get my Master built soon...
  • davieseedaviesee Posts: 6,386
    Update:-

    Went on my first "proper" ride yesterday.

    Smooth, smooth, smooth! Possibly helped by Open Paves* but very impressed.

    *Then again, I had them on my other wheels too. (Sciroccos and Mavic Open Pros/Record hubs).
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
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