ROSE & CANYON - sizing and comfort

MarcoX

I'm in the process of buying my first road bike. I been looking around for quite some time now, and I've also been to some local shop to perform test rides. I have on my short list a few options, most likely candidates are:

Canyon Ultimate AL 
Canyon Ultimate CF 

ROSE Carbon Pro-SL
ROSE Pro-RS 
ROSE Pro-SL

However, as you might guess, these bikes are somewhat difficult to buy because ordering the right size is a bit of a gamble. Could you please post your bike size, inseam and length (also arms and torso, if you know) in order to help me and others in the same situation?

While this question might be difficult to answer --- assuming very few have had the opportunity to test many of these, or similar, models --- which model will offer the most comfortable ride? For example, is Canyon extremely stiff? :?

Thanks for your input, and I hope this thread is not another Canyon-or-rose-post...

I am the god of hell fire

I bought a Canyon SLX this year and its a great bike but the geometry is rather eccentric in that I eventually realised it needed a far smaller stem than I have ever used before despite being 6'1"

When I finally accepted this I was outside the Canyon return window so they would only sell me one not swap it
Disappointingly Canyon use a non standard format you can only buy from them so a replacement costs more than it would from CRC or Wiggle despite being a Ritchey branded product

I also had issues with a badly fitted front mech which the UK rep chose not to help me with

Having said that Im still happy with the deal
Just a bit upset with the service offered

Good luck

EKIMIKE

Don't buy a Canyon unless you're 100% confident about what size (not just frame but stem) will fit you. The stem, being 1 1/4, is too much of a pain in the arse to be uhm'ing and ah'ing about.

People invariably get stressed out about it and start blaming Canyon customer service rather than realising that they ordered the wrong size frame for them (see above, sorry to sound like a d!ck but it's true).

As it's your first road bike then i'd suggest it's not so wise to get a Canyon as you don't have anything to measure off of.

The Rose, with a standard steerer/stem size will give you easy options for changing the set-up as you can pick and choose almost any stem on the market.

Rose seems to share an equally decent reputation with Canyon so i doubt you're going to be missing out by choosing one over the other.

MarcoX

That is an interesting point, will it be hard to source a new stem for a Canyon?

Any more views concerning my short list? Also, if you have a Canyon or Rose bike, please post your frame size, length and inseam!

sloppyschleckonds

MarcoX wrote:

That is an interesting point, will it be hard to source a new stem for a Canyon?

Any more views concerning my short list? Also, if you have a Canyon or Rose bike, please post your frame size, length and inseam!

Canyon have an online system for calculating what frame size you may need. Have you tried it?

ju5t1n

MarcoX wrote:

will it be hard to source a new stem for a Canyon?

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... =3&t=64725

4kicks

EKIMIKE wrote:

Don't buy a Canyon unless you're 100% confident about what size (not just frame but stem) will fit you. The stem, being 1 1/4, is too much of a pain in the ars* to be uhm'ing and ah'ing about.

People invariably get stressed out about it and start blaming Canyon customer service rather than realising that they ordered the wrong size frame for them (see above, sorry to sound like a d!ck but it's true).

I got my Canyon in 2007 and was really happy with it, a great, great bike, in fact Im regretting having sold it last year as the two bikes since werent as good.

However, sizing, and hence the stem lenght, is not as straightforward as the above post claims - canyons frames have (had?) an unusual tt to ht relationship - for example I ended up with a 58 tt wheras Id normally have 56 or even 55, being 1m82 cms to get drop right. This has a knock on effect on the stem.
Online bikefits are well and good but its always "garbage in, garbage out" - I did a little experiment asking 3 cycling friends to measure me using the same instructions and the results made frame sizing pretty random. Guy over the phone was really helpful but its not that strightforward, really, and if youre really picky about fit Id think again..Stem sizes for Canyon are further complicated buy the fact that Canyons view is (was?) ANY change to the stem they supply it with immediately violated their frame warranty.. wft??

mat-ster

Stating the obvious.... :?

http://www.canyon.com/_en/tools/pps.html

4kicks

?. its not obvious. Im pointing out why the link you so boldly posted isnt the panacea it appears.

15 posts in and all you can do is post a link. The only thing "obvious" about this thread is that youve sneaked into this gene pool when the lifeguard wasnt looking. crawl back into the primordial slime from whence youve recently emerged, and evolve.

mat-ster

4kicks wrote:

?. its not obvious. Im pointing out why the link you so boldly posted isnt the panacea it appears.

15 posts in and all you can do is post a link. The only thing "obvious" about this thread is that youve sneaked into this gene pool when the lifeguard wasnt looking. crawl back into the primordial slime from whence youve recently emerged, and evolve.

Relax 4kicks.... :shock: Only offering the link as posted above, in light of the fact no one else has.
Canyon will offer individual advice and guidance if you contact them, but you need to get your Biometrics sorted first.

Next you will be telling me you turn left on a bike to turn left (actually you turn right first).

MarcoX

mat-ster wrote:

Stating the obvious.... :?

http://www.canyon.com/_en/tools/pps.html

Obviously I know about that link. However, I have read a lot of posts about it generating poor results, and that it shouldn't be trusted. As a side note, this calculator will probably provide much more reliable results: http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za/CCY?PAGE=FIT_CALCULATOR_INTRO.

Still, real world examples, actual experiences, would be a good complement to calculators.

meesterbond

Just reiterating the above, the calculator on the Canyon site, at least for TT bikes seemed miles off. I'm 5'10 and it had me on an XS frame.

I used the one on the Competitve Cycllist site and then compared geometries and eventually went for a Medium due my longer torso. The Canyon PPS only seemed to vary frame size based on inseam.

To be honest though, whilst Canyon do provide some really good value bikes, for a first bike I'd still suggest a proper fit and then purchase from a decent LBS... even if it means you end up with a lower groupset and wheels the risks are much lower.

MarcoX

Jup, their calculator focuses way too much on the inseam measure. I've been test riding 54's and 56's (other brands), but due to my large inseam measure their PPS suggests 60!