Aleksandr Kolobnev (Katusha) tests positive in Tour
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Rick Chasey wrote:I was saying this over dinner this evening - we're due a positive or two.
Do people care about this one? Can't say I have any reaction to this - just non.
*shrugs*
It is funny how some get the shittier end of the stick than others, happy to Contador bash until the cows come home even without official evidence and conviction, this fella gets caught red handed and nobody gives a sh*t.
Double standards for some out there in my book. :roll:0 -
Riis almost matches the hog for the number of ex riders that have been caught doping.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0
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biggish name rider but I expect either the B sample won't be handled properly or some other techicality and he will be let off
Isn't doping a criminal offence in France now so if the French really want to stop this he should be arrested and sent to gaol.
What i'd like to see is one day a rider come clean and say how not just his current team but ex team and managers are all complicite in all of this, instead he'll get the sack and try and wriggle out of it and come back in a year0 -
LeicesterLad wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:I was saying this over dinner this evening - we're due a positive or two.
Do people care about this one? Can't say I have any reaction to this - just non.
*shrugs*
It is funny how some get the shittier end of the stick than others, happy to Contador bash until the cows come home even without official evidence and conviction, this fella gets caught red handed and nobody gives a sh*t.
Double standards for some out there in my book. :roll:
It's a question of scale. Kolobnev is decent rider but he hasn't won a race since 2007 - he's just another name on a long list. Contador, on the other hand, is the biggest name in the sport - he matters.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Rick Chasey wrote:His dope chat grates.
I'd prefer a Ligget and Sherwan style "he doped, it's a shame. Anyway, this château..."
Totally disagree. Ligget and Serwan's style totally brushes over the fact that cycling has a lot to still do to put its house in order. Harmon stands up for what he believes and I would prefer to listen to him all day every day.http://www.georgesfoundation.org
http://100hillsforgeorge.blogspot.com/
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Did I misunderstand/read to much into it. But I thought that Millar when interviewed (Sunday I think) implied that the crashes/melee for the front were a result of an levelling out of the peloton in terms of speed. Was I to infer drugs made the sport safer
Alex Kol.... who?0 -
I didn't think so. I thought he just said it was faster and that people were taking more risks.0
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RichN95 wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:I was saying this over dinner this evening - we're due a positive or two.
Do people care about this one? Can't say I have any reaction to this - just non.
*shrugs*
It is funny how some get the shittier end of the stick than others, happy to Contador bash until the cows come home even without official evidence and conviction, this fella gets caught red handed and nobody gives a sh*t.
Double standards for some out there in my book. :roll:
It's a question of scale. Kolobnev is decent rider but he hasn't won a race since 2007 - he's just another name on a long list. Contador, on the other hand, is the biggest name in the sport - he matters.
Given his role in Vino's 2010 LBL win, I recon Gilbert might have other ideas 0 -
LeicesterLad wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:I was saying this over dinner this evening - we're due a positive or two.
Do people care about this one? Can't say I have any reaction to this - just non.
*shrugs*
It is funny how some get the shittier end of the stick than others, happy to Contador bash until the cows come home even without official evidence and conviction, this fella gets caught red handed and nobody gives a sh*t.
Double standards for some out there in my book. :roll:
What you mean apart from the official evidence of an A and B sample failure?
As Rich said it is also scales. Contador is the biggest name in the current peloton, Kolobnev is a bit part player who chances his arm at the end of a race and gets caught plus I think most people expect Katusha riders to be doping so it's just expected.0 -
He'll most likely try the Iljo Keisse approach (tested positive for same substance) and claim it was from a tainted supplement.sherer wrote:biggish name rider but I expect either the B sample won't be handled properly or some other techicality and he will be let off
Only if the Police can prove the doping occurred within France (ie caught with drugs in a team car rather than just testing positive for a substance he could have taken in another country).sherer wrote:Isn't doping a criminal offence in France now so if the French really want to stop this he should be arrested and sent to gaol.
Read David Millar's book. He shops Cofidis and Saunier Duval and told the UCI SD were upto no good.sherer wrote:What i'd like to see is one day a rider come clean and say how not just his current team but ex team and managers are all complicite in all of this, instead he'll get the sack and try and wriggle out of it and come back in a year0 -
LeicesterLad wrote:It is funny how some get the shittier end of the stick than others, happy to Contador bash until the cows come home even without official evidence and conviction, this fella gets caught red handed and nobody gives a sh*t.
Double standards for some out there in my book. :roll:
If Contador's positives had come out during the race and he'd withdrawn/been suspended by his team while he waited for his B sample to be tested, all the while protesting his innocence about a dodgy steak, maybe there would have been a similar reaction to Kolobnev positive, just a bit bigger to reflect their respective profiles.
For me, it was the fact that positives didn't come out until the end of September, that they appeared to be hushed up by the UCI and were eventually leaked by the Lab, that even having had 3 months to get his story straight it was so full of holes it was laughable, that his federation took until January to decide not to ban him, that the WADA/UCI appeal to CAS took so long to formulate and then was postponed until after this year's event, that we still don't know who won last year & even this years result could be changed.
That for me is why I would boo Contador if I saw him riding down my street and why Kolobev's ejection from the tour raises a 'meh'.0 -
tarquin_foxglove wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:It is funny how some get the shittier end of the stick than others, happy to Contador bash until the cows come home even without official evidence and conviction, this fella gets caught red handed and nobody gives a sh*t.
Double standards for some out there in my book. :roll:
If Contador's positives had come out during the race and he'd withdrawn/been suspended by his team while he waited for his B sample to be tested, all the while protesting his innocence about a dodgy steak, maybe there would have been a similar reaction to Kolobnev positive, just a bit bigger to reflect their respective profiles.
For me, it was the fact that positives didn't come out until the end of September, that they appeared to be hushed up by the UCI and were eventually leaked by the Lab, that even having had 3 months to get his story straight it was so full of holes it was laughable, that his federation took until January to decide not to ban him, that the WADA/UCI appeal to CAS took so long to formulate and then was postponed until after this year's event, that we still don't know who won last year & even this years result could be changed.
That for me is why I would boo Contador if I saw him riding down my street and why Kolobev's ejection from the tour raises a 'meh'.
You just summed up my previous arguement on another thread, the whole saga is down to fu*k ups and delays from the UCI and CAS, so not really Contadors fault is.0 -
LeicesterLad wrote:
You just summed up my previous arguement on another thread, the whole saga is down to fu*k ups and delays from the UCI and CAS, so not really Contadors fault is.
Not Contador's fault? You mean apart from taking the drugs in the first place, correction, allowing the drugs to inadvertently enter His Holiness's bloodstream? And don't forget the ONLY reason the CAS hearing was delayed till AFTER the Tour was because Contador's legal team requested it. WADA were ready to go on June 6 or thereabouts, but conceded they could NOT enforce the hearing date set.Open One+ BMC TE29 Seven 622SL On One Scandal Cervelo RS0 -
Harmon will be especially whingey since he always goes on about how he likes Kolobnev, and how he's always 'so lean and muscular' all year round.0
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Why would you use HCT (the substance he was banned for)? It reduces blood volume and water retention by kidneys. Wikipedia also says that 95% of it ends up unchanged in your urine.
Presumably to go along more interesting drugs?0 -
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Rick Chasey wrote:Why would you use HCT (the substance he was banned for)? It reduces blood volume and water retention by kidneys. Wikipedia also says that 95% of it ends up unchanged in your urine.
Presumably to go along more interesting drugs?
As Bronzie says, it;s also used as a masking agent and Shane Ward got caught using it a while ago too, along with another diuretic. Although why Ward would want to use steriods is beyond me..0 -
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I've been in the cyclingnews clinic this morning (I feel dirty) and I think the answer is: everything.Rick Chasey wrote:What does it mask, steroids, EPO...?
It masks by diluting your urine, hence reducing the concentration of whatever metabolites are in it that you are trying to hide.0 -
davelakers wrote:redddraggon wrote:
I feel unloved.............
I start a thread first and Im ignored.
All hail Ademort. :roll:
I think that's the difference a clear thread title makes 0 -
Wheelspinner wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:
You just summed up my previous arguement on another thread, the whole saga is down to fu*k ups and delays from the UCI and CAS, so not really Contadors fault is.
Not Contador's fault? You mean apart from taking the drugs in the first place, correction, allowing the drugs to inadvertently enter His Holiness's bloodstream? And don't forget the ONLY reason the CAS hearing was delayed till AFTER the Tour was because Contador's legal team requested it. WADA were ready to go on June 6 or thereabouts, but conceded they could NOT enforce the hearing date set.
Im not even that keen on Contador, im merely stating why is it one rule for one one rule for anohter, just because one of them has the class and talent to win races and the other doesn't. (don't say Contador wins through doping, because if that was the case, the rest of the Peloton would be winning race after race, Kolobnev Included. Yes, although it is unproven, Contador may have innitially took the substance, but as for Contadors fault for making a 'request'? Excuse me if i am wrong, but can you not say no to a request?
Notice the amount of 'oh poor Vino' after his crash, are we allowing him off the hook for being a cheat because his name is not Alberto?0 -
Aaaargh. It's proven. He hasn't even denied it. Because it's proven.LeicesterLad wrote:Yes, although it is unproven, Contador may have innitially took the substance0 -
avoidingmyphd wrote:
Aaaargh. It's proven. He hasn't even denied it. Because it's proven.LeicesterLad wrote:Yes, although it is unproven, Contador may have innitially took the substance
Sorry i should have worded that differently, i mean proven he took it intentionally...0 -
Intent is irrelevant.0
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Pross wrote:Intent is irrelevant.
Like i said, i'm not argueing his Guilty, merely that he gets stick for things out of his control, and gets stick where others don't.0 -
LeicesterLad wrote:...
Like i said, i'm not argueing his Guilty, merely that he gets stick for things out of his control, and gets stick where others don't.
It has not yet been proved once and for all, that contador's clenbuterol ingestion was 'out of his control'.
he states he knowingly ate beef brought over the the border by a friend from an small store, that had been in the car all day, whe nhe could have had a nice fresh steak from a store down the road. The cow had been raised and killed in a country that has ZERO recorded contamination of beef.
At the least that shows extremely poor judgement from someone who knows they have to be careful of what they eat.
most likely source of clenbuterol, given all info, is from an infusion of previously stored blood.
this is not taking into account the plasticisers apparently found in his sample.--
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andrewjoseph wrote:this is not taking into account the plasticisers apparently found in his sample.
Apparently is the right word. The plasticiser issue was never mentioned in the UCI report.0 -
The Mad Rapper wrote:
Apparently is the right word. The plasticiser issue was never mentioned in the UCI report.
I know, the cowards. just 'cos it's not approved yet!--
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sampras38 wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Why would you use HCT (the substance he was banned for)? It reduces blood volume and water retention by kidneys. Wikipedia also says that 95% of it ends up unchanged in your urine.
Presumably to go along more interesting drugs?
As Bronzie says, it;s also used as a masking agent and Shane Ward got caught using it a while ago too, along with another diuretic. Although why Ward would want to use steriods is beyond me..
It was Shane Warne...he claims he took it to supposedly lose some weight and improve his appearance. He got a 1 year ban for it.0
