5 teams looking for 3mill a year for three years for Gilbert
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overall i would prefer him to cav if i was in charge of sky,Cav would put a ceiling on skys grand tour ambitions0
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bennyandrew wrote:overall i would prefer him to cav if i was in charge of sky,Cav would put a ceiling on skys grand tour ambitions
Yep, agree. Gilbert gives you access to many of the classics, and doesn't mess with your GT plans. Cav rather dominates your GT plan. I don't know about the value of €3 million though, that would suggest the team rather needs a cycling obsessed sugar daddy, rather than a hard edged business approach. I wonder what other things would be outside this, the whole image rights issue, and the personal deals, similar to Bertie riding with a Giro helmet when everyone else had Specialized.0 -
well if he is not worth it why would they pay it?the man is box office in Europe.RichN95 wrote:3 million Euros! Good luck to him, but any team paying that isn't getting value for money.0 -
bennyandrew wrote:
well if he is not worth it why would they pay it?the man is box office in Europe.RichN95 wrote:3 million Euros! Good luck to him, but any team paying that isn't getting value for money.
Loads of sports people get contracts that in hindsight the employer would never sign. Do you follow football at all, Winston Bogarde ring any bells. Do you think Sky have had value from Wiggins?0 -
Brad was a gamble ,Gilbert is a proven winner.also if Brad gets a podium place at the tour that gamble would have been worth it.0
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Brad has been worth it for Sky - he is the only GT contender in the UK at the present, he is a household name (as far as any cyclist is) and if Sky couldn't get Cav, as a British team, they HAD to get Wiggins. He means a LOT more to most UK household than Gilbert, even though Gilbert is a proven winner. Brad winning the Dauphine is a pretty big thing too.http://www.georgesfoundation.org
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bennyandrew wrote:Brad was a gamble ,Gilbert is a proven winner.also if Brad gets a podium place at the tour that gamble would have been worth it.
He is a proven winner (I'm not trying argue that he's not an excellent rider), but it's in one day races. By their very nature, success is less guaranteed for their specialists than for GC riders or sprinters. Therefore, Gilbert represents more risk. Lots can go wrong, and as Cancellara found this year, teams will ride specifically against him now. Plus, he's yet to do anything at the Tour which is where the commercial value is.
He's also having his best ever season. You don't get value for money buying anything at peak price.
The most influencial sports book of the last ten years, maybe more, is Moneyball by Michael M Lewis. One thing it teaches is why investing big money in superstars is the wrong way to go.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Shouldn't Sky be trying to educate the British public that there's more to cycling than 3 weeks in July? By signing Gilbert you'd have the classics covered, then the end of season autumn races.
Not that it will happen.All Road/ Gravel: tbcWinter: tbcMTB: tbcRoad: tbc"Look at the time...." "he's fallen like an old lady on a cruise ship..."0 -
Its rumoured that Sky are prepared to stump up €2.3 million for 3 years, but Gilbert is looking for at least another €300K above that.
That works out at about €20 for every kilometre ridden in racing and training.'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
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Apparently he has signed already. Greg Van Avermaet is not happy this morning.0
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mroli wrote:Brad has been worth it for Sky - he is the only GT contender in the UK at the present, he is a household name (as far as any cyclist is) and if Sky couldn't get Cav, as a British team, they HAD to get Wiggins. He means a LOT more to most UK household than Gilbert, even though Gilbert is a proven winner. Brad winning the Dauphine is a pretty big thing too.
I thought of Wiggins as a household name until Sunday when I said I had to watch the last stage of the Dauphine to see if Wiggins could hold on and she said "who?"! Knew I shouldn't have married a Newport girl :roll:
Also not sure about the Dauphine win being a big thing, at least not in this country. I was turning the radio off for the sport bulletins all last week to avoid any news from the race but on Monday realised I needn't have bothered as the only reason his win got mentioned on 5 Live was when a listener sent a text in complaining it hadn't been mentioned!
Gilbert is my favourite rider and I would like to see him at Sky. However, I can't decide if him joining them would be good for the likes of Thomas. Possibly it will give him a chance to get in early breaks in the Classics to take the pressure off chasing for Gilbert which could be a good thing but he could equally end up becoming a domestique at a time he should be pushing for Classics podiums.
Far more sense for him to go to a Belgian or French team where he is a huge name.0 -
Cycling's still a "Cinderella Sport" in the UK. If it doesn't involved a ball or an engine, then it's pretty much invisible. Even some footballer getting a hair transplant will make the front page of a sports' section before a Brit winning anything bar the TdF!Remember that you are an Englishman and thus have won first prize in the lottery of life.0
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OffTheBackAdam wrote:Cycling's still a "Cinderella Sport" in the UK. If it doesn't involved a ball ......
Even Cinderella has a ball in it.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Would Cav really put a dampner on a Sky GC push?
As brilliant as it would be for Sky to have Gilbert, its only going to be British cyclists winning races that is going to catch the imagination of the broader public.0 -
Wiggo back on lead out duty?Cogidubnus wrote:Would Cav really put a dampner on a Sky GC push?0 -
With G in the team I think Brad would be excused that job. Will see anyway what they do to lead out EBH in this years tour0
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Is Lefevre looking for a €3 million stick with which to beat Tommeke?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lefever ... n-for-2012'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
LangerDan wrote:Is Lefevre looking for a €3 million stick with which to beat Tommeke?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lefever ... n-for-2012
Ssh..0 -
Ive forgotten, why have Lotto and Omega split up to form separate teams? And as it stands where are all the current riders going for next year0
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Cogidubnus wrote:Ive forgotten, why have Lotto and Omega split up to form separate teams? And as it stands where are all the current riders going for next year
The two sponsors want different things. One wants to be a big international team winning things and the other wants it to be an almost entirely Belgian team, developing riders. (I think OP are the former and Lotto are the latter, but it may be the other way around)Twitter: @RichN950 -
Cheers Rich0
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I think Lotto realised how much press coverage Gilbert, Van Den Broeck, Hoste got them, compared to guys like Evans, McEwen, who were all just as, if not more, expensive.0
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Great for Gilbert... but Im worried that he wont be able to repeat the success rate... Yes he has been on super form, but a lot of luck is needed too. A lot of things seemed to go Phils way for the last year... A bit like 2009 for Cav**************************************************
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"Even Cinderella has a ball in it."
Bravo that man. I enjoyed that.0
