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Capitalism isn't working.

15peter2015peter20 Posts: 293
edited May 2011 in The bottom bracket
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  • AggieboyAggieboy Posts: 4,014
    It is. I'm doing fine thanks. Bye.
    "There's a shortage of perfect breasts in this world, t'would be a pity to damage yours."
  • ZachariahZachariah Posts: 782
    It's certainly true that those with the least capital end up doing the most work.
  • SmellTheGloveSmellTheGlove Posts: 715
    ...and neither is my front mech
    "Consider the grebe..."
  • verylonglegsverylonglegs Posts: 3,569
    You are posting about capitalism not working on a forum where many members have probably spent four figure sums on bikes and equipment. Hmmn.
  • Smokin JoeSmokin Joe Posts: 5,669
    You are posting about capitalism not working on a forum where many members have probably spent four figure sums on bikes and equipment. Hmmn.
    And we have a lifestyle that is the envy of most of the world's population.

    Capitalism may be censored , but it is nowhere near as censored as the alternatives.
  • tebbittebbit Posts: 604
    As someone who lives in a Soviet built flat in a Soviet built town, I will never complain about Barratts again, capitalism it is the least censored alternative as said previously.
  • tebbittebbit Posts: 604
    As someone who lives in a Soviet built flat in a Soviet built town, I will never complain about Barratts again, capitalism it is the least censored alternative as said previously.
  • cornerblockcornerblock Posts: 3,228
    tebbit wrote:
    As someone who lives in a Soviet built flat in a Soviet built town, I will never complain about Barratts again, capitalism it is the least censored alternative as said previously.

    You've not moved then?
  • Frank the tankFrank the tank Posts: 6,806
    It works better for some than others.

    Whatever political system is in place there will be winners and losers. Whoever runs the show, fact is, for most people who post on here we'll have to keep working and being taxed.
    Tail end Charlie

    The above post may contain traces of sarcasm or/and bullsh*t.
  • AnonymousAnonymous Posts: 79,692
    15peter20 wrote:
    Discuss.

    I know it's well rubbish.

    Sodding capitalism just allowed me to buy a lovely new bike I wanted, I even had a choice! And due to some cheeky censored in the financial sector setting up a company to supply credit I don't even have to pay for it all at once. And get this, they won't even allow me to pay interest on the loan! 0%, takes the pi55 doesn't it?

    But seriously, capitalism works right up until the point people get greedy. It's greed and corruption that's more the problem.
  • ScrumpleScrumple Posts: 2,666
    Lazy attempt to counter my thread about socialsim. Lacking wit, conviction, content, and merit (1st post)

    Proves my point. Lazy, idle socialists.

    Do not discuss. Aggieboy's comment should have been the end of this one!

    The end.
  • BarteosBarteos Posts: 657
    Materialism, greed and selfishness aren't as bad as the insanity.
    Capitalism for me, thank you very much.
  • The basic law of capitalism is you or I, not both you and I.
    Karl Liebknecht

    Seems to sum up the UK over the past 30 years or so.
  • cornerblockcornerblock Posts: 3,228
    Scrumple wrote:
    Lazy attempt to counter my thread about socialsim. Lacking wit, conviction, content, and merit (1st post)

    Proves my point. Lazy, idle socialists.

    Do not discuss. Aggieboy's comment should have been the end of this one!

    The end.

    Welcome back. It's been too long.
  • markos1963markos1963 Posts: 3,724
    Co operative, beneficial and peacful anarchy is surely the way to go? Why do we need power hungry socialist/capitalist/communist/liberal dictators telling what to do for their own gain? If we work to look after the weak, care for our own and better the world for all, banish invididual greed then the world would be a far better place.


    Oh and ban all organised religion.
  • Cleat EastwoodCleat Eastwood Posts: 7,510
    markos1963 wrote:
    Co operative, beneficial and peacful anarchy is surely the way to go? Why do we need power hungry socialist/capitalist/communist/liberal dictators telling what to do for their own gain? If we work to look after the weak, care for our own and better the world for all, banish invididual greed then the world would be a far better place.


    Oh and ban all organised religion.

    Totally agree.

    trouble is there are people like scrumple who are so afraid and riddled with insecurities that they need certain power structures to make themselves feel 'valued'. Notice in the other thread the use of the word qurantine; you quarantine things you are afraid of. Such a shame people live such cowardly lives when I bet you at heart he's probably a decent man, (or woman).

    Anyway off to see man u get tonked.
    The dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life when he resigns
    momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself.
  • ScrumpleScrumple Posts: 2,666
    Anarchy doesn't work -

    Look at nature: the fittest survive.

    We are too weak as a species to self govern. Power structures would grow again, dog eat dog.

    Reality
  • ClankClank Posts: 2,323
    Anarchy can't work. In a power vacuum tyranny will always prevail.
    How would I write my own epitaph? With a crayon - I'm not allowed anything I can sharpen to a sustainable point.

    Disclaimer: Opinions expressed herein are worth exactly what you paid for them.
  • woodnutwoodnut Posts: 562
    Are you a sad rightwing crackpot?

    Politics of fear and terror your thing?
    Crowing about money your bag?
    Bleating about unfair tax rates your cup of tea?
    Obsession with having more STUFF your penchant?
    Withering tirades against "waste in public services" your daily highlight?
    Comprehensive school hatred your hobby?
    "Those immigrants/loonys/cripples get more than me" your cry?
    I am a banker [but can't explain my value to anyone] your motif?
    What do them civil servants/ binmen/ nurses do all day, what a waste - your views on the value (or not) of public service?
    You believe ( for some unfathomable reason) that you are an important person and hence should have perks and a private life that would make Rasputin blush.

    Please gibber here and spare the rest of us from your short sighted and foolish blather. Or, move to America, PLEASE.

    I'm not coming back here - please keep yourself amused.
  • ScrumpleScrumple Posts: 2,666
    At last, a worthy opponent....

    Still more Barca v Man U though, sorry.
  • woodnut wrote:
    Are you a sad rightwing crackpot?

    yep that would be a fair assessment of scrumple!!
  • verylonglegsverylonglegs Posts: 3,569
    woodnut wrote:
    Comprehensive school hatred your hobby?

    Why not? I went to one and it was shite.
  • Jez monJez mon Posts: 3,809
    Capitalism isn't working....but all other philosophies have proven to be even more flawed.

    Soviet communism...well someone here was complaining that we in the UK were slaves. :roll:

    Chinese communism...well it's capitalism,

    The old feudal system...erm well, it wouldn't work in an industrialised society, plus again, it's pretty much slavery

    Anarchism? Wouldn't work

    Communism seems fine, until you learn about human nature, at which point it becomes clear that it doesn't work and could never be implemented, it's always going to get to the dictatorship stage and then the people in power will refuse to give it up...

    Plus capitalism gives far too great a percentage of the population a comfortable life for a critical anti-capitalist movement to form. But anyway I appear to have rambled enough now..
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • Frank the tankFrank the tank Posts: 6,806
    The gap between rich and poor in this country is forever increasing. More and more are feeling disenfranchised and the this forum (I would guess) is not typical of the balance of the demograph of society in general.

    It is only a matter of time!
    Tail end Charlie

    The above post may contain traces of sarcasm or/and bullsh*t.
  • SeanosSeanos Posts: 301
    woodnut wrote:
    Are you a sad rightwing crackpot?

    Politics of fear and terror your thing?
    Crowing about money your bag?
    Bleating about unfair tax rates your cup of tea?
    Obsession with having more STUFF your penchant?
    Withering tirades against "waste in public services" your daily highlight?
    Comprehensive school hatred your hobby?
    "Those immigrants/loonys/cripples get more than me" your cry?
    I am a banker [but can't explain my value to anyone] your motif?
    What do them civil servants/ binmen/ nurses do all day, what a waste - your views on the value (or not) of public service?
    You believe ( for some unfathomable reason) that you are an important person and hence should have perks and a private life that would make Rasputin blush.

    Please gibber here and spare the rest of us from your short sighted and foolish blather. Or, move to America, PLEASE.

    I'm not coming back here - please keep yourself amused.

    Heh, I did a lol
  • saintdraculasaintdracula Posts: 232
    I like how all the people who diss anarchy just say: 'it wouldn't work'. The sort of anarchy that they describe - namely, a raucous free for all - surely wouldn't. But the sort Chomsky seems to advocate might have a better chance than that version - a society in which we weren't ruled by an authority higher than ourselves (hence the anarchy - no 'arch').

    And even though capitalism has failed to deliver on many things, perhaps blaming capitalism per se is a bit Marxist. The analysis finishes too abruptly. I think the problem is simply human nature. In a family, for example, capitalism is not needed because there is trust and selflessness. But people will cheat people who they don't care about in order to further their interests - hence laws that uphold contracts and property. Watch Goldenball (is that what it's called?) to see my point - people will lie and deceive each other. I think that was ultimately the problem with communism - its naive trust in human nature.

    I also think we should be more sophisticated than to just look at the bankers/rich/powerful as some distinct power-structure. They are just like us - self-furthering, and weak in the face of powerful incentives.

    But we also can't ignore the nature of the powerful to perpetuate their own interests.

    Of capitalism: it satisfies us, and makes us happy, but it degrades and strips us of humanity. Something to be perhaps avoided - or minimized to the greatest extent. That is, I would hopefully try not to let capitalist incentives motivate me.

    Of course, I would take a Chomskyite anarchy any day. Even if it meant giving up bikes - which it may need not.
  • markos1963markos1963 Posts: 3,724
    Jez mon wrote:
    Anarchism? Wouldn't work
    .


    A full.balanced and intelligent explanation that.
    Just why not? Surely if we claim to be a higher species we should be able to organise ourselves without the need to put self serving, control freaks in charge of us. Even mother natural manages to organise itself into some sort of self order.
  • P_TuckerP_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    markos1963 wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    Anarchism? Wouldn't work
    .


    A full.balanced and intelligent explanation that.
    Just why not? Surely if we claim to be a higher species we should be able to organise ourselves without the need to put self serving, control freaks in charge of us. Even mother natural manages to organise itself into some sort of self order.

    :lol: wut? A post with a nice condescending opening line; then you showed him how to really talk utter bolleaux. Good work!
  • davieseedaviesee Posts: 6,473
    markos1963 wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    Anarchism? Wouldn't work
    .


    A full.balanced and intelligent explanation that.
    Just why not? Surely if we claim to be a higher species we should be able to organise ourselves without the need to put self serving, control freaks in charge of us. Even mother natural manages to organise itself into some sort of self order.

    Unfortunately what the human race claims to be and what it actually is are at complete odds.
    Total utopia is a nice idea but people will always ruin it.
    I don't know the best answer but the ruthless will always fight their way to the top.
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • Jez monJez mon Posts: 3,809
    markos1963 wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    Anarchism? Wouldn't work
    .


    A full.balanced and intelligent explanation that.
    Just why not? Surely if we claim to be a higher species we should be able to organise ourselves without the need to put self serving, control freaks in charge of us. Even mother natural manages to organise itself into some sort of self order.

    See highlighted bold. We claim to be, we aren't. We're just monkeys who have evolved to have develop all kinds of fancy things.

    TBH I just assumed those on this forum were intelligent enough to work out why for themselves...
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
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