Ribble Stealth Planet X Nanolight??!!

skygod49

If anyone has either of these bikes I'd love to hear from you, I seem completely incapable of deciding!

I'm only looking at buying F&F, probably.........

Monty Dog

Well, they're both made by the same company, Xpace Industrial, does that help?

bazbadger

The Guru version of the nanolight looks interesting.

inseine

Well, they're both made by the same company, Xpace Industrial, does that help?

Probably not. It's getting a bit obsessive all this 'who makes what' don't you think?

amaferanga

Get the one you think looks best.

FWIW (not much really) I have a Nanolight and like it a lot.

gwillis

Both frames are made in china that we know..... Got to say some of the px deals at the moment are pretty good if I was going down that route I'd go px at the moment.

skygod49

I guess the bit that I'm struggling with is the headset and BB comparison on the two bikes. The Ribble has a tapered steerer and BB30, whereas the Planet X has neither. Is the tapered steerer and BB30 a must have?

I'm 6'2" and weigh 95 kegs, I mostly ride long distance multiple day routes or enjoy the Sunday chain gang with a weekly solo ride for fitness.

My current steed is a 2005 S Works Tarmac frame set with ultregra and campy wheels.

amaferanga

skygod49 wrote:

I guess the bit that I'm struggling with is the headset and BB comparison on the two bikes. The Ribble has a tapered steerer and BB30, whereas the Planet X has neither. Is the tapered steerer and BB30 a must have?

I'm 6'2" and weigh 95 kegs, I mostly ride long distance multiple day routes or enjoy the Sunday chain gang with a weekly solo ride for fitness.

My current steed is a 2005 S Works Tarmac frame set with ultregra and campy wheels.

95 kegs... of beer?

I doubt you'd notice any difference with the steerer/BB.

Monty Dog

FWIW the Stealth has a 'racier' position than the Nanolight by virtue of a shorter headtube, so depends on what you want to use it for. Likewise, the R838 (Stealth) frame was voted 'Racebike of the Year' by Cycling magazine when branded DeRosa. A friend has just built up an R838 frame at my suggestion and he thinks it's a great bike - stiff enough to race, but with no handling vices to make it fine for all-day use. I do think it is important that people know where the stuff comes from in order to make a judgement on value - lots of people attach huge importance to the 'brand' on their frame, when the reality it's only the thickness of paint.

inseine

I do think it is important that people know where the stuff comes from in order to make a judgement on value - lots of people attach huge importance to the 'brand' on their frame, when the reality it's only the thickness of paint.

You're right of course but I think anyone who is deciding between Planet X and Ribble is not really a brand snob. It's design that's important rather than which factory your bike came from especially since there are a small number of factories making most carbon frames.

tim_wand

Monty Dog. Dont ever stop putting up useful information about generic frames being re branded. I lusted after the De rosa 838 after it won cycling weekly test, but had a suspicion that it was no more than different paint graphic job than a ribble .

I m no brand snob I own and ride a Px Kaffenbach and Pro carbon Sl but have always wanted an Italian superbike. Its knowing that most of the frames are generic thats saved me the money and the heartache.

Is there a cheap same frame alternative to the following.

De Rosa King
Pinarello Dogma
Wilier Cento Uno

any one know please help save me a few thousand.

inseine

Is there a cheap same frame alternative to the following.

De Rosa King
Pinarello Dogma
Wilier Cento Uno

If you're saying 'can I buy any of these exact frames but as something else cheaper' then I very much doubt it. If you're saying can I buy an equally good frame that looks similar and is equally good, well possibly depending on your take on good.

tim_wand

I m sure the majority of us who are that into our sport/ hobby to post on here wether we admit it are not are influenced greatly by aesthetics and brand image when purchasing a new bike, its the old emperors clothers syndrome.

Last year I bought and Audi Avant estate even though everything I read told me that the Skoda superb was a better value car. It was pure brand snobbery but I could argue that depreciation/ re sale value the Audi would pay me back.

You dont get this arguement with Bikes and its more obvious that with Audi/ VW/ Skoda and Seat all being part of the same group that there is considerable cross over.

I was wondering if such "relationships existed in the bike world"

I am sure that a Ribble Sportive or similiar would be all the bike I would ever need, and as I never could sprint like Cav, TT like Wiggins or Cancellera and climb anyting like the Schleck brothers then I cant even argue that race performance / pedigree is importnat to me or would make a noticeable difference.

(Coincidentally I believe Bianchi and Peugeot have the most race wins)

I have two great passions in life that present me the same problem. I love bikes and I love automatic wrist watches.

I know that the mechanisms in most Rolexs are (Valjour) which are used in many cheaper watches, but I d always collect a Rolex over the others even though its just the casing and the name.

Any way sorry to Hi - jack the thread with this irrelevancy for what it is worth I d go for the Planet X mine have never let me down or made me feel wanting (Except for an Italian super bike) :oops:

inseine

You dont get this arguement with Bikes

Surely you get exactly this with bikes, or maybe I misunderstood.
Good post BTW and I feel the same way as you. Had an A6 avant once too! Great car.

tim_wand

What I meant with " you dont get this argument with bikes " was to do with depreciation and resale. I honestly dont think its a point of consideration with bike purchases.

I think why I fall for the image/ marketing hype with Cars and Watches is ( certainly in the case of Cars,) more people with less proper knowledge judge you by it.

I dont look at someone on a planet x or ribble and think "tight wad " I think smart buy you obviously know what your about .

When I see someone (Most rides) on a specialized, I think nice bike but hardly original.

I get a little subversive kick out of riding a Planet X (and On One mountain bike)
(Although theres a lot of Px's out there now)

Why cant I make the same brave decisions with Cars.

Sorry SKYDOG 49. (should start this as a new post on the Psychology of Brand Snobbery but I m sure its already on here)

Monty Dog

tim wand wrote:

Is there a cheap same frame alternative to the following.

De Rosa King
Pinarello Dogma
Wilier Cento Uno

any one know please help save me a few thousand.

Interesting that you chose those three examples as they are all prime candidates for this discussion because not one of them is made in Italy and yet they purport to have some Italian 'heritage' and try and command considerable price premiums. You can find numerous DeRosa King frames on ebay for example at a fraction of the UK price but I've no feedback on the quality. There's a number of threads on this over on RoadBikeReview that might be worth perusing. Other info I've garnered in that the Wilier uses the same factory as Scott.

FWIW I do own a number of Italian-built frames and I'm not in any wa denigrating the quality of Chinese-built frames - just trying to expose some of the marketing 'puff' put out there.

keef66

I'd be happy with the Skoda, but my wife wouldn't let me park it on the drive.

:roll:

inseine

just trying to expose some of the marketing 'puff' put out there.

This more true with bike frames than many other products but the advent of carbon fibre has changed how we have to think of frame building. The essential difference between one frame and another is all to do with the design, which is usually done at 'home', rather than the actually construction. BMWs and Audis are made all over the world but is a Mexican, Chinese or South American BMW any less German than one built in Germany?

skygod49

Yikes!!!

Actually one of the main motivators for narrowing down my list to these 2 bikes is purely to do with sticking 2 fingers up at the snobs and " buying smart" rather than conforming to a brand image.

Returning to the original question though, I'd still love to hear from owners of either or even both, just to get an independent review.

peter101cycle

skygod49 wrote:

Yikes!!!

Actually one of the main motivators for narrowing down my list to these 2 bikes is purely to do with sticking 2 fingers up at the snobs and " buying smart" rather than conforming to a brand image.

Returning to the original question though, I'd still love to hear from owners of either or even both, just to get an independent review.

Don't worry about "buying smart" over brand snobbery....I bought a Dolan frame last year and am very happy about the way it rides and looks.....IMHO, with some of these lesser known brands, you get a bigger bang for the buck. The Italian frames, etc, etc, all trade on their name and while you may get a slightly better frame, the gain in frame quality, etc, is not the same as the increase in price......THAT, is all marketing fluff!

andyr1974

Are there any future plans for a Ribble Stealth full on test review so we are all put out of our misery :?: :?: :?:

CTank

tim wand wrote:

I have two great passions in life that present me the same problem. I love bikes and I love automatic wrist watches.

I know that the mechanisms in most Rolexs are (Valjour) which are used in many cheaper watches, but I d always collect a Rolex over the others even though its just the casing and the name.

:

Not to derail the thread even further, but I though Rolex were a genuine manufacture and made all their own movements? Although it is true that many other prestige marques modify stock movements.

skygod49

Any chance anyone can just stick to the thread?

markcdo

What does "skygod" mean ?

I see at least one specialized bike every time I go for a ride, because I own one, and I love it...

I think you should grow a beard and ride a singlespeed or fixie, or even worse - a 69er